1. newportrojan

    newportrojan New Member

  2. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    See:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand-in-waistcoat

    It's just a portrait style, originating from ancient times. Everyone was doing it.
     
  3. hemi

    hemi Active Member

    A lot of those images from the whale.to page are really drawing a long bow.

    Some of them don't even have the hidden-hand thing going on (Tom Hanks, Sami Nasri, Leonardo Dicaprio).

    And of the non-posed photographs, many look, to my eyes, like someone just adjusting their scarf, or patting down their tie, or scratching themselves (Paul McCartney, Mubarak, Colin Powell, Kanye West, Martin Scorcese).

    There's a at least one 'hand-over-heart' in there as well (Todd Palin).
     
  4. newportrojan

    newportrojan New Member

    and it just so happens to be the sign used by masons as well? (I'm not arguing you, I want this to be debunked to calm my nerves!). And why would people today continue to pose this way? Same with the 'diamond' sign that just about EVERY celebrity is flashing these days. What gives?

    Thanks.
     
  5. MikeC

    MikeC Closed Account

    If you don't know then why would "they" tell you? the whole purpose of secret signs is, you know....to be secret!!

    ;)
     
  6. hemi

    hemi Active Member

    Is it used by the masons? Is there any evidence for this, outside of conspiracy websites?

    What's the 'diamond' sign?

    I reckon you could come up with just about any random gesture or pose, and attach a 'secret sign' stigma to it.

    "He's got his pinky finger in his ear! He must be a mason!" ;)
     
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  7. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    It's not exactly "used" by them. There's a part of one initiation ritual where they put their hand in and take it out again. It's a Biblical reference there.

    http://www.accessmylibrary.com/article-1G1-17011388/re-dressing-classical-statuary.html

     
  8. Cairenn

    Cairenn Senior Member

    I looked it up, it seems to just be a sign the Jay-Z started and he may have 'stolen' it from someone else.

    My dad was a Mason, I saw him greet other Masons and they just shook hands, they recognized each other by their Masonic rings. I had a problem with a teacher in HS and my parents came to school to discuss it with the principal, by dad spotted the Principal's Masonic ring and they exchanged which lodge and their 'rank' before the discussion.
     
  9. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Yeah, "Diamond Dallas"
    http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1517546/wrestler-sues-jay-z-over-hand-sign.jhtml
    The diamond sign just signifies "diamond" ("diamond"/"rock"/"roc"/"roc-a-fella" for Jay-Z)
     
  10. David Fraser

    David Fraser Senior Member


    Is that in, out, in, out then shake it all about.


    I would think that actual dress nay gave to do with some poses. Even for a photograph it feels unnatural to just stand with your hands by your sides. You need a pose that will make you look aloof. I have noticed how the UK police have changed their stance over the past few years. Now you will see them constantly with their fingers tucked behind the top of their body armour. I asked a copper about it once and wanted to know if the armour was uncomfortable. He surprised me by saying no. The conversation went on to discuss that the habit was somewhere to out your hands and still look approachable. You change your pose to suit your clothes. Another example is the young lads that walk around with there jeans around their arse. They usually have one hand in their pocket. Apart from holding their jeans up what other reason is there?
     
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  11. RolandD

    RolandD Active Member

  12. Oxymoron

    Oxymoron Banned Banned

    Apparently not everyone. I do not see any underlings daring to do it.

    No 'imitation is the highest form of flattery' there.

    [​IMG]

    NB does anyone think there has been some form of 'photoshop' done on these pics? :confused:
     
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  13. JRBids

    JRBids Senior Member

  14. JRBids

    JRBids Senior Member


    Why would your nerves be on edge if the Masons make a sign like that? What is the "diamond sign"? Holding ones' hands together touching forefingers and thumbs? That's a "sign". Someday when someone scratches their nose, that's going to be a sign!
     
  15. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    The original:

    [​IMG]
     
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  16. JRBids

    JRBids Senior Member


    Before you edited and added the NB, I was going to ask what the deal was with the 2 photos, LOL.
     
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  17. David Fraser

    David Fraser Senior Member

    Lol. I have never seen that before, but then I am not down with the kids. For a Masonic sign it appears to be lacking in something, subtlety.

    With reference to Stalin, I am going to have to do some digging but I am certain that I read that he persecuted the Freemasons.
     
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  18. davefb

    davefb New Member

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  19. Grieves

    Grieves Senior Member

    Freemasonry does indeed involve a great deal of symbolic stances and signs, and the 'hidden hand' is one of them. Remember when you were a kid in Karate-Class, and every time you advanced a belt, you had to perform a 'kata'? Show off your moves, do a choreographed little 'dance', bow at the start and bow at the end, ect.? Freemasonry has a somewhat similar, if not significantly more gentlemanly and less physically demanding policy toward advancement. Considering there's over 30 levels of advancement in the society, there's plenty of room for handshakes, poses, 'dances', ritual words and hand signs. That'd be why little coded 'cheat-sheet' booklets are employed, so that members can keep up with all the hoopla.

    If a majority of the figures with portraits in that pose are in fact associated with or members of the Masons, then that's not an unfair line to draw at all. If they aren't, and only a small few of the portraits in that pose are of people associated with the Masons, then perhaps it was just a 'trend'. Either way, this is the sort of thing that's going to be rather difficult to prove. Stalin might have been going for a smoke.
     
  20. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Or maybe he wanted to be Napoleonic.

    http://people.virginia.edu/~ds8s/carroll/hia.html

    (To the tune of "The Song of Hiawatha")
    It's just a standard portrait pose. (which also helped stop the hand moving in long exposures)
     
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