Discussion in 'Contrails and Chemtrails' started by Mick West, Sep 14, 2011.
It fell off the front page, but Michael J. Murphy let the threat stand as written.
I am trying to talk a little sense into some of these guys.. without a lot of success. I am a QF A330 captain and up till now was slightly amused by the chemtrailers, tight up until they started threatening people like myself.
I don't wish to offend anyone here, but the defining characteristic of "chemtrailers" seems to be an abiding ability to believe something they have no personal proof of... somewhat akin to fundamentalists of all religious persuasions.
I am having another conversation on this youtube thread...
to say it is bizarre is an understatement. However I have put together some evidence that proves I am who I say I am, I will let you know if they show any interest. If they do accept it I plan to put an offer to them... provided they pay... to fly a Biz-jet into the contrail of the QF64 to take samples. I fully expect them to decline... but will advise if they don't.
If you do this, Mike, be sure to document the event as well as possible, in HD video. If this is accomplished, it will be a ground-breaking event that many thousands have spoken of but none have accomplished. Cheers to you, and let us know how this plays out.
I'm an ex-Air Atlanta Icelandic 747 Captain and would be happy to help you there if you're interested.
BTW, did you ever work with Richard Tainch? He was on furlough with us in AAI for a while. I flew with him a few times when I was an FO.
Hi Bill. Yes I know Richard. He is still on the A330 as a captain. (Tainsh btw).
Good to know there is some sanity and support in the world. I posted some comments on Robert Hoogenboom's channel when he asked to confirm my identity. He went quiet for a few weeks, like PK, then as PK resurfaced with another QF63 video he put in an uncomplimentary comment in about pilots, I assume he means me. I fully expect to never convert the hard core, but there seems to be a few doubters there who will listen to a scientific explanantion of what they are seeing.
What I would like to hear from people is whether you think a video made during a walkaround check would be useful. We do one every flight and a closeup of the wings showing the fact that there are no nozzles and vents (apart from the fuel dump system on some aircraft) may be helpful, particularly if it is aimed at chemmies. (Sorry for the extra bit here Mick, finger trouble!)
Here's a cool walkaround check video, done with a camera attached to a flashlight
Found on Chemtrails Exposed FB
On a Chemtrails FB Group
please could you do some more research because I got many evident obe´servetion in my place about radiation in relationship to flightmovements, and beta monitoring off in europe and on spraying days in TX I suffered from attacks...think this shortened my lifetime...please we got both same symptoms me and iondetox and who else...every body to afraid about it ... in germany truth seems to be unable to break mainstream beliefs...please look for chanel rabiataclara in ut.
Maybe you could post these observations?
I see that Misty Stinson's suggestion that planes be shot down still remains on Michael J. Murphy's Facebook page:
He doesn't care if his followers make terrorist threats....
Well, I live in Norway, on the west coast in the neighbour county to Oppland, Møre og Romsdal.
I've travelled through Oppland, and I can happily assure you that (just like my previous home of the UK) contrails the length of the country persist for hours and spread naturally as expected. Infact, unlike many countries, the airspace here has so few cross flights that it can sometimes be hours before another plane flies over at cruise, let alone leaves another trail. I'm not sure how that would help any fictitious spraying agenda.
Another one from Chemtrails Kill facebook page
From Michael J. Murphy's "What In the World Are They Spraying" facebook page, in response to his posting about the "Maui Clean Skies Ordinance"
this is the first response to the posting, and another threatin the third response, both five hours old now.
And one from a post about tanks in an aircraft
[ex=http://www.prisonplanet.com/high-gas-prices-prompt-call-to-brockton-police.html]captain obvious says:April 19, 2012 at 10:46 am
the gas prices will STAY high,
until people start shooting down the CHEMTRAIL PLANES.
they’re “UFO’s” attacking with biochemical weapons.
they burn millions of gallons of fuel,
the demand is reflected in OUR supply.they are making US pay to be poisoned,
as they spew TONS of carbon MON-oxide into the environment.
the wannabe greenie-fascists dont want to hear about it,
they wont say a word about it other than “youre crazy”,
or some other BS that their GORACLE told them.[/ex]
From the Chemtrails Project page
"Bryan Ferrick what do you hope to accomplish? on you tube I have a chemtrails channel with about 120 videos,,,no disrespect but unless you can send up a person with a high powered rifle and take down a few chemjets, not interested.6 April at 03:53
Bryan Ferrick www.youtube.com/user/LibranEsqDeath To ChemTrails ===✈
www.youtube.comClear Skies Now and Forever !
6 April at 03:54"
Another from WITWATS
"RJ Flowers People need to open their eyes and minds, it makes me sick.16 hours ago · 1
[Broken External Image]:http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-ash2/572877_526355359_1254245568_q.jpgTarah Herbert Where at?16 hours ago via Mobile
[Broken External Image]:http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/370464_100000434410925_467374497_q.jpgKyle Sais Gets your guns out and bring those bitches down. Take some action douche16 hours ago via "
Rather an incongruous threat in the first comment on this video:
Oh, one of the firstwave's eh? no surprise there. I'm 'Warmm0nkey' on youtube, and if I've had many pointless back-and-forths with him on the WITWATS comments alone. To be honest, I'm sure the world would be better if he enjoyed his own medicine.
The threats keep coming. Michael J. Murphy's Facebook page is a growing source of these threats to shoot down airplanes.
Hmmm...isn't it against the law to threaten to shoot down a plane? Someone should alert the authorities.
[EX=R3AktoRMacedonia]Of course there is a way to protect ourselves.
Every town should buy S-300 missile system, it has range of 90 miles, so if chem-trail sprayer pass above you, simply shot it down, for better future for our children.
R3AktoRMacedonia 1 week ago[/EX]
More from the WITWATS Page.
Judging by his spelling, the dumbing down seems to be working.
On the plus side, he is one of the first to get the correct "their".
This post is from the Facebook group "Chemtrail Geoengineering Lawsuit II":[ex=http://www.facebook.com/groups/345285198865733/permalink/360836790643907/]Fred Pinard How bout this...walk up to a congressman and ask him why he's allowing the Government to slow kill us...if he denies anything... shoot him in the face. It's only fare.[/ex]Screenshot created 2012-05-16, 6:15 GMT:
A few people in that group seem to be a bit un-hinged. They are talking about ringing in their ears driving them crazy, picking at scabs because they have morgellons. It is pretty sad and a bit disturbing.
No violence from this lady but very paranoid. I fear that she contributes money to people like Mike Murphy and Dutchsinse and they encourage her mania.
Yeah, she is a bit off her rocker
Wow, that woman is seriously disturbed.
She sounds so "normal". But, she needs help.
She had help. She decided the help was part of the plot to get her. Dutchsinse and others are feeding the mania and preventing her from getting help. And she isn't unique. Type "chemwebs" into a youtube search. There's someone named cajunmiracle from southern Louisianna that is convinced that spider webs are from chemtrails. The spring bloom of spiny orb weavers has her freaked out. She claims to be sending chemweb samples to Clifford Carnicon. She's called for violence against chem-planes as have people commenting on her videos. Some of the disturbed just sound frightened but harmless and some of them seem like they could be a real threat to a pilot, air traffic controller, meteorologist, etc...
Thats pretty par for the course for chemtrailers. Back in the days of chemtrail central website, there were a couple of them that obviously needed mental help, more than the average chemmie. One of them even crafted some fantasy world where these two sisters were helping him out with chemtrail research and were almost fighting over each other for his affections. He would photoshop pictures of these two women in the photos of him.
Turned out they were just women who had posed on adult websites and he had edited pictures of them (not ones with nudity) to be alongside him. When someone (Cydoniaquest) had actually found those women on adult sites, the chemtrailers circled around Dan to defend him, instead of trying to tell him to get help for his fantasy world delusions.
Later on, this person was caught with child porn and went to prison. (Dan Rockwell) It was just so obvious this person needed help and his chemtrail friends never offered to help, and instead would try to deflect attention away from him.
There were others too, that it was obvious that there were severe that were in need of help, and them chemtrail friends never one tried to help, and actually more got in the way of them getting help.
Wow. Scary stuff. Talk about paranoid!!! Something just "happened" to appear in the sky when she was in the room alone? What? How do you even begin to address such thinking?
Her channel is at http://www.youtube.com/user/cajunmiracle
These people are disturbing.
I tried to help personally, in person.
cajunmiracle lives very close to where I was working in Louisiana last year.
I offered to come over and show her how to identify the planes using Flight Explorer which we were both seeing making contrails over the area.
Never took me up on it.
People like this seem to take some kind of comfort in their delusions. Like their world would fall apart if some piece of information didn't comport with their beliefs. I'm thinking of a family member who refuses - REFUSES - to look at information that might be contrary to his conspiracy theories. It seems so bizarre.
Good question. In the case of bethanyhome7, the first video of hers that I saw was about "terminator beams" and "frequency bubbles" on radar in Texas right around sunset. No overt signs that she had any sort of paranoia. It just appeared that she had no clue what she was looking at. I explained as simply as possible what it looks like when the radar is pointed at the setting sun (her "terminator beams) and what bats look like on radar when they emerge in huge swarms. I suggested google terms to search to see articles about biologists using weather radar to track bats. I even sent her the GPS coordinates of major bat colonies around the Austin area so she could fly there and see them on Google Earth (including photos of swarms that people have uploaded).
Well the tactic of supplying facts just backfired. (I've read articles on 'The Backfire Effect' since then). She assumed that I was one of "them" trying to "disinform". She is under the impression that radar is a picture from space and telling her otherwise is "disinfo" to her. Sending her to websites explaining weather radar is also disinfo as those are just fakes...Any persistent effort to correct her errors in perceiving weather images seems to feed her belief that she is being "targeted". And then the charlatans come in and say, "that's right don't you listen to the shills".
Similar experience with cajunmiracle last year when I saw a chemtrail video of hers. She insisted that until a year or two ago only small light aircraft flew over her remote corner of the world. I explained to her that a lot of traffic flies over her area, particularly out Houston but from other areas as well. I attempted to steer her to a map of US flight paths. Backfire. I haven't even considered addressing her chemweb videos.
From the Chemtrail Lawsuit Page. This guy is actually asking US Air force pilots to shoot down airliners.
It's only a matter of time before someone does just that.
I hope it will teach a lot of "chemtrail advocates" a little something...
She is now using tracking software. So her original claims that they didn’t have commercial flights in their rural corner of the world have proven false. But she is more resolute than ever in her belief in Clifford Carnicom. In the second video I link here, she thinks that youtube censored her video to keep the data she collected on flights secret when it looks like there was an error in her video creation or upload. Several flights show fine. They are commercial flights on commercial routes, like a SWA flight from HOU to MSY. But she still thinks that they are abnormal and weren’t present in her vicinity prior to Dec. 1, 2011. She really thinks that Southwest, United, etc…. are running extra flights out of their way to spray her?
What is she going to do now that she thinks that all the major airlines are running “spray” operations?
This guy lives in southern Louisiana likely near cajunmiracle. He’s an acquaintance of hers on youtube. He’s learned to track flights. Hasn’t dented his comprehensive chemtrail/chemweb beliefs. But at least he’s tracking planes. In the first video he seems to think that he chase a spray plane away with his camera. But at least he can identify the numerous commercial flights over southern LA. Problem is that he and others, instead of learning that contrails are a normal part of aviation, are deciding that the commercial airlines are complicit.
This third video is mostly for the long video description. He’s another Clifford Carnicom follower. I wonder how much carnicom has taken from these folks?
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