1. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Alan Chin Photo Paper molten metal.

    So it looks like AE911Truth has been incorrectly using another photos for many years. I noticed this by accident when looking at a similar photo posted yesterday for the anniversary of 9/11:
    Metabunk 2018-09-12 12-07-23.

    I saw the above (right) 9/11 thumbnail image on the NBC News home page, and it immediately reminded me of this image on an AE911 web page. https://www.ae911truth.org/evidence.../442-witnesses-of-molten-metal-at-ground-zero (http://archive.is/2BsNB)

    Metabunk 2018-09-12 12-10-07.


    Here's the AE911 image:
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    Then this coinicidence prompted me to do a Yandex image search^, which led me to a better quality version, the original by Alan Chin, https://www.readingthepictures.org/2011/09/pushpins-on-a-calendar/ (http://archive.is/mtyWY)
    [​IMG]
    Subtitled "Approximately 11AM, Broadway and Liberty

    Detail:
    Metabunk 2018-09-12 16-05-02.

    And here's the similar NBC Image:[​IMG]


    They are probably the same collection of column cladding and paper taken at slightly different times.

    [UPDATE] The location of Chin's photo has been identified as Liberty and Church, one block away from the above image, which looks like Liberty and Greenwitch.

    Here's the location of the Chin photo:

    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP5ALlmwhHY


    I wonder how many "suspicious" photos might be solved if only we were able to example all the photos that are held in private collections.
     

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  2. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Doing an overlay of the two images, the orange one is slightly skewed. So the simplest explanation for the original bad image is that it was photographed from a book — this also accounts for the bad white balance.
     
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  3. Oystein

    Oystein Active Member

    I had always seen nothing but burning paper in that image.
     
  4. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Burning something, and probably paper, given that it's surrounded by paper. Me too. I discussed it five years ago, even in the orange photo there's enough info to dismiss the "molten metal" claim.
    It's odd that AE911T use this as the headline image to illustrate their page on the topic.
    Metabunk 2018-09-13 11-18-06.
     
  5. Nada Truther

    Nada Truther Active Member

    After 13 or so years of the busted conspiracies, you find it odd that AE911T uses probable inaccurate info as fact?

    I'm losing faith in you, Mick.
     
  6. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    I'm curious about the listed location of this photo. It seems possibly too far from the towers for so much cladding? I'd like to track it down to see if we can find any other photos or video of the same spot to clarify the issue

    Broadway and Liberty is about 800 feet from the South Tower (WTC2).
    Metabunk 2018-10-01 07-47-22.
    Liberty is the street running East/West

    The distinctive points in the image are:

    The damaged, but not crushed, fire engine:
    Metabunk 2018-10-01 07-55-21.

    The multiple sections of aluminum cladding:
    Metabunk 2018-10-01 07-55-50.

    Paper and dust:
    Metabunk 2018-10-01 07-56-18.

    A building facade, old fashioned, with distinctive arched windows and some skinny trees.
    Metabunk 2018-10-01 07-57-27.

    This appears to be here:
    Metabunk 2018-10-01 08-09-54.

    Which would actually put him more towards Trinity and Liberty, looking south across Zuccotti park
    Metabunk 2018-10-01 08-12-10.

    This is quite a bit closer.
    Metabunk 2018-10-01 08-21-27.
     
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  7. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Zuccotti park, formerly Liberty Plaza Park, has a few photos online. There's a famous one of a statue called "Double Check", photo by Jeff Mermelstein
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    And another:
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    Another view showing the windows and trees


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  8. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    One more looking the other way
    539933_World-Trade-Center-Disaster-9-11-01-New-York-Posters.
     
  9. deirdre

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  10. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    not sure if they replaced hydrant locations after 9/11
    but as of 2011 there was one here.

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  11. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Yeah, Liberty and Church is Liberty and Trinity - the street just changes names.
    The windows and trees make it a perfect match. That "Double Check" statue was about in the middle of the park.

    You'd have to be pretty inventive to figure our how molten metal got all the way over there. I think the Truthers though this was on the street below the towers.

    More photos would be good.
     
  12. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    One thing though, this photo is not the same location. I will update the OP.
     
  13. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Metabunk 2018-10-01 12-18-48.

    Here's the park, a few days after. It looks like Engine 212 might still be there. Something covered with dust anyway.

    I've marked the approximate position of Chin. Also marked the aluminum cladding that landed on the roof over the road, showing debris was falling from above in that general area.
     
  14. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    that's not a fire engine, it's way too big and way too square. it looks like a work trailer. I think the engine was here
    upload_2018-10-1_15-57-15.
     
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  15. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    The camera angle is too high to get a good fit here, but this is roughly it
    Metabunk 2018-10-01 13-22-14.
     
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  17. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Panorama of the area. Fire engine is on the left, more in the background.
    [​IMG]


    Note that while it's the same pile of cladding, it's not the same fire, but still the same basic thing.
     
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  19. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    hard to tell, but its black and flatter there. kinda looks like he just put it out with his shovel. and the white smoke coming up from Chins fire that could just be blocked from view due to the angle. I'm amazed how squished these photos can be as far as squishing distances. The fire truck is way further back then I would have thought and I'm aware of 'forshortening' (it's called right?) of camera lenses.
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  20. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Time-wise at 3:25 in the above video there's a clock saying 12:30, so the previous video would presumably be before 12:30
    Metabunk 2018-10-01 14-42-39.

    There's also footage with WTC7 still standing (5:55), so obviously it's on 9/11 (hence the fires).
     
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