Yankee Blue - The Hazing Ritual Responsible for Some Military Belief in UFOs?

[Mendel]

Which covers some more of his interview with Phillips

referring to this thread: https://www.metabunk.org/threads/ti...tence-of-anomalous-black-triangle-ufos.14278/

I'd love to have a transcript of this.

 

[jarlrmai]

referring to this thread: https://www.metabunk.org/threads/ti...tence-of-anomalous-black-triangle-ufos.14278/

I'd love to have a transcript of this.

If we could download it it might be possible to get an AI transcript although some of the audio quality is not the best to be fair.

 

[MonkeeSage]

I'd love to have a transcript of this.

Here's the auto-generated transcript from whisper AI in plain text and srt (w/ timestamps). Unedited and unreviewed so there are likely some transcription errors. Also there is no speaker identification, so you need to listen to the audio to check who is speaking.

View attachment greenstreet.txt
View attachment greenstreet.srt.txt

If we could download it it might be possible to get an AI transcript although some of the audio quality is not the best to be fair.

X spaces audio can be downloaded with yt-dlp using cookies from a browser logged in to X. This was the command I used:

yt-dlp --cookies-from-browser firefox https://x.com/MiddleOfMayhem/status/1932913264905891993

(Note: This requires the ffmpeg program to be installed on linux, I would assume it's also required on other platforms)

 

[Mendel]

Here's the auto-generated transcript from whisper AI in plain text and srt (w/ timestamps). Unedited and unreviewed so there are likely some transcription errors. Also there is no speaker identification, so you need to listen to the audio to check who is speaking.

View attachment greenstreet.txt

Thank you, that was super helpful.
I kinda like where Greenstreet's at, I'm not 100% in the same place, but he knows what we know (and some of what we know is becsuse he found it out), so that's need. He kinda speculates in a slightly different direction, but it's just so refreshing to see someone reporting on this who is aware of the facts.

A lot of what I read has been covered in his video (see link above). Here's what I found interesting:

And I learned that some of the UAP, if not all of the UAP caucus are not SAP CAP cleared. They don't have SAP CAP clearance to certain things.
And SAP means special access program. Cap means controlled access program.

And AARO offered to do a one-time read in, read on for these guys, for the UAP caucus, but their leadership, the Speaker of the House and the committee leadership denied, declined to allow that to happen to these guys. Meaning in essence, they didn't want them, these specific congressional leaders to have that ultra sensitive access for whatever reason. It could just be a trust reason. We don't trust these yahoos. You know, it could be like that kind of thing.

There's a big distinction between the Representatives that do the UFO hearings, and the members of the armed services and intelligence committees who I assume have the clearance to actually read the classified version of the AARO report. And if these guys don't back their UFOlogist party members up, then likely they [the UFO caucus] are barking up the wrong tree.

This is an older legend, and I should really go and check which of that audio is Phillips:

But I'll just say there was a unrelated thing that happened that I think UFO believers, including myself, thought was related to Tic Tac. [..]
Um, so the one bit that I'll say, I won't give you everything, is the story that after Tic Tac at night, uh, a helicopter landed on the Princeton, two men in black came off the helicopter, walked into the captain's room and took data tapes, got back on the helicopter and took off. I interviewed, uh, I interviewed in one of my reports, two Navy officers who saw this happen with their own eyes. And then I think there were some denials, uh, like they didn't actually see that. And I think Fravor was like, that never happened.
And, um, and turns out that actually happened. Turned out that actually happened and it was DARPA and they were dressed all in black. Apparently that's been confirmed completely.
It was DARPA.
They were dressed all in black.
They did land on the Princeton.
They did go into the captain's quarters and they did take stuff.
Um, but the unrelated part is like, it was, it was relating to the, I believe, uh, the wasp they were testing. One of the things they were testing out there, I guess they were testing many things, was the wasp, which does not look like a Tic Tac at all. It's like this little tiny, uh, drone. Uh, and I guess they were testing it in swarms and the Princeton had picked it up as unidentified bogey.
So basically the Princeton on their end picked up these wasps, DARPA wasps, and we're like, what the heck are these? And what's this swarm? There's so many.
Um, well, DARPA came and made sure that didn't get out.

Spoiler: video on the WASP

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXE_CQFsiNw

The Wasp Micro Air Vehicle (MAV) is a small, portable, reliable, and rugged unmanned aerial platform designed for front-line day/night reconnaissance and surveillance. Wasp is the result of a multi-year joint development effort between AV and the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA).

 

[jarlrmai]

Thank you, that was super helpful.
I kinda like where Greenstreet's at, I'm not 100% in the same place, but he knows what we know (and some of what we know is becsuse he found it out), so that's need. He kinda speculates in a slightly different direction, but it's just so refreshing to see someone reporting on this who is aware of the facts.

A lot of what I read has been covered in his video (see link above). Here's what I found interesting:

And I learned that some of the UAP, if not all of the UAP caucus are not SAP CAP cleared. They don't have SAP CAP clearance to certain things.
And SAP means special access program. Cap means controlled access program.

And AARO offered to do a one-time read in, read on for these guys, for the UAP caucus, but their leadership, the Speaker of the House and the committee leadership denied, declined to allow that to happen to these guys. Meaning in essence, they didn't want them, these specific congressional leaders to have that ultra sensitive access for whatever reason. It could just be a trust reason. We don't trust these yahoos. You know, it could be like that kind of thing.

There's a big distinction between the Representatives that do the UFO hearings, and the members of the armed services and intelligence committees who I assume have the clearance to actually read the classified version of the AARO report. And if these guys don't back their UFOlogist party members up, then likely they're barking up the wrong tree.

This is an older legend, and I should really go and check which of that audio is Phillips:

But I'll just say there was a unrelated thing that happened that I think UFO believers, including myself, thought was related to Tic Tac. [..]
Um, so the one bit that I'll say, I won't give you everything, is the story that after Tic Tac at night, uh, a helicopter landed on the Princeton, two men in black came off the helicopter, walked into the captain's room and took data tapes, got back on the helicopter and took off. I interviewed, uh, I interviewed in one of my reports, two Navy officers who saw this happen with their own eyes. And then I think there were some denials, uh, like they didn't actually see that. And I think Fravor was like, that never happened.
And, um, and turns out that actually happened. Turned out that actually happened and it was DARPA and they were dressed all in black. Apparently that's been confirmed completely.
It was DARPA.
They were dressed all in black.
They did land on the Princeton.
They did go into the captain's quarters and they did take stuff.
Um, but the unrelated part is like, it was, it was relating to the, I believe, uh, the wasp they were testing. One of the things they were testing out there, I guess they were testing many things, was the wasp, which does not look like a Tic Tac at all. It's like this little tiny, uh, drone. Uh, and I guess they were testing it in swarms and the Princeton had picked it up as unidentified bogey.
So basically the Princeton on their end picked up these wasps, DARPA wasps, and we're like, what the heck are these? And what's this swarm? There's so many.
Um, well, DARPA came and made sure that didn't get out.

The audio is not from the interview it is Steven Greenstreets thoughts on his interview.

 

[MonkeeSage]

Steven Greensteet posted some comments about this hazing ritual from Sean Kirkpatrick on X.

GREENSTREET: The WSJ story reveals the US military created "fake" UFO images and put them out into the public outside Area 51.

Was this just an isolated incident or a microcosm of a larger operation? Did you find other examples of "fake" UFO stuff being put into the public? Is it still happening?

KIRKPATRICK: This was not isolated, nor was it a centralized "larger operation." There were multiple instances and some just let the rumors go as it was easier than developing a story. "Shouldn't" be happening still, but one can never be 100% sure.

GREENSTREET: The WSJ also revealed a "fake" alien SAP within the US Air Force.

The Air Force appears to claim this was "hazing" or a "prank". But was it really ? Was this perhaps a non-prank counterintel strategy?

Again, is this an isolated incident? Or were there other examples of "fake" alien/UFO programs throughout the departments?There appears to have been some kind of cover up here - with USAF requesting AARO not include this "embarrassing" information in their report. Do you agree?

KIRKPATRICK: No, this was not a counterintel strategy. This was a ritualistic event for new SAPCO officers. Not isolated. Several similar activities. Investigations are ongoing.

(did not answer my question about AARO's role in a potential Air Force cover up)

Source: x.com/MiddleOfMayhem/status/1933194954018619592

 

[John J.]

To some extent this might belong in the Tic Tac thread, but it's following on from post #83, post #84 and post #85 (by @MonkeeSage, @Mendel and @jarlrmai respectively):

And I think Fravor was like, that never happened....
...And, um, and turns out that actually happened. Turned out that actually happened and it was DARPA and they were dressed all in black. Apparently that's been confirmed completely.

Is there any way for us to assess which account (Fravor or Greenstreet's) is more accurate?

Is it likely that recently-gathered radar information, recorded on whatever medium, would be stored in the (USS Princeton) Captain's accommodation? The Princeton would have purpose-built facilities for cataloguing and storing such data.
I guess the Captain might have had the relevant media in his care to allow a courteous and rapid handover.
But you'd expect him to be present for this (I feel Greenstreet's description implies this was not the case).

If something like Greenstreet's DARPA retrieval happened, how did his "two navy officers" know the visitors were from DARPA- did they introduce themselves, just in case they were confused with any other non-USN helicopter arrivals, or just to be friendly?
What were the two officers doing, or supposed to be doing, when they supposedly saw the DARPA employees enter the Captain's accommodation? How do they know what was taken, if anything? Can they describe its visual appearance to Greenstreet?

The officers and men of USS Princeton routinely work with classified information. It is a disciplined and physically secure environment. All the crew are uniformed service personnel, subject to military law.
Many systems or subsystems on Princeton will be secret. If ordered to specially secure, and not to review, certain radar recordings (or whatever) there is no reason to doubt that that order would be complied with.

Most DARPA employees are not service personnel, nor are they Federal Investigators. DARPA is not a law enforcement or counter-espionage agency. It does not have "field agents" or an organic police/ security branch AFAIK.
It does not undertake activities to physically secure assets/ data held elsewhere. That isn't its role.
DARPA's website lists career/ attachment opportunities for service personnel, https://www.darpa.mil/careers/how-military-can-serve, "Opportunities for military professionals". No MIB-style roles are currently advertised.

DARPA comprises approximately 220 government employees in six technical offices, including nearly 100 program managers, who together oversee about 250 research and development programs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARPA

Greenstreet:

One of the things they were testing out there, I guess they were testing many things, was the wasp, which does not look like a Tic Tac at all. It's like this little tiny, uh, drone. Uh, and I guess they were testing it in swarms and the Princeton had picked it up as unidentified bogey.
So basically the Princeton on their end picked up these wasps, DARPA wasps, and we're like, what the heck are these? And what's this swarm? There's so many.

(1) Greenstreet doesn't supply evidence of anything unusual being tested.
(2) The AeroVironment Wasp

...is the result of a multi-year joint development effort between AeroVironment and the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) to create a small, portable, reliable, and rugged unmanned aerial platform designed for front-line day or night reconnaissance and surveillance.

Wikipedia, Wasp III https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AeroVironment_Wasp_III, see also a USAF factsheet dated 14 September 2011,
https://www.af.mil/About-Us/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/104480/wasp-iii/

Wasp is a small, lightweight and relatively cheap recce platform with a 5km (3.1 mile) operating radius.
With limited growth potential- USMC Wasp IIIs are being replaced- it seems an unlikely contender for testing swarming concepts. It is not a weapons platform, and a Wasp's ability to carry a practical munition is questionable;
the WASP III aircraft weighs 453g (USAF), this is in the same weight range as a single hand grenade (many types 400-500g).

Note Wasp's limited range (c. 3 miles): Even if Wasp RPVs, a variant or similar RPVs were being used in swarming tests at sea, it is hard to understand how USS Princeton failed to see the ship from which they were launched and operated.

I suspect Fravor's right, and none of what Greenstreet describes really happened.
Greenstreet relies on/ reports claims made by two unidentified witnesses. Possible weaknesses in the claimed version of events are not examined, because this might undermine the "something interesting happened" narrative. Lots of people like stories involving secretive or high-tech government organisations identified by acronyms/ abbreviations.
He combines this with what appears to be supposition re. Wasp RPVs, although the aircraft themselves are not particularly high-tech and are of modest performance (although a very useful capability). Of course, the word "wasp" might evoke ideas of swarms, but the real world AeroVironment Wasp and its control systems were not designed to provide a swarm capability.

 

[Mick West]

Rep. Eric Burlison, part of the "UAP Caucus," is looking into the hazing claims. He says Grusch has never heard of "Yankee Blue"

Article:

"When I talked to [UFO whistleblower David] Grusch, he said, 'that's ridiculous,'" Burlison tells us. "He would have heard of that. He's never heard of that."

Source: https://www.askapoluaps.com/p/how-is-wsj-report-not-illegal?utm_source=substack&publication_id=1755497&post_id=165824340

The link is partially paywalled, but the full audio is embedded.

 

[beku-mant]

There are a few issues that stand out to me. Phillips admits some anomalous technology seems to exist, which isn't ours, and which he thinks we can't replicate. He thinks it is adversarial. But I would bet that the US is in the lead on any such frontier, or would have caught up by now, since this is a decades old phenomenon we are talking about. This implies, to me, if the claims of actual anomalous technology are real, likely AARO was not let in on its origins, or is not letting us in on it (i.e. Phillips was kept in the dark or Phillips was lying to us).

In either case, how can we believe the claim about a giant hazing ritual without evidence. It sounds like a perfect cover story to dismiss or keep AARO out of real programs if they did exist. And the fact anomalous technology seems to exists makes you expect real programs working on such technology exist.

 

[John J.]

Article: "When I talked to [UFO whistleblower David] Grusch, he said, 'that's ridiculous,'" Burlison tells us. "He would have heard of that. He's never heard of that."

Is David Grusch claiming to have knowledge of all hazing/ practical jokes within the USAF over several decades?
Or to have knowledge of every time UFOs/ UAP are mentioned by USAF personnel?

Either (implied) claim would seem to subvert Mr. Grusch's credibility.

 

[John J.]

Phillips admits some anomalous technology seems to exist which isn't ours, and which he thinks we can't replicate.

Where?

And the fact anomalous technology seems to exists...

What is the basis for that?
What do you mean by "anomalous"?

 

[beku-mant]

Where?

What is the basis for that?
What do you mean by "anomalous"?

He claimed (speaking about black triangle UFOs) there is technology with performance we can't replicate, in his interview with Greenstreet. While he was vague about the anomalous performance, he described it as "that we can't replicate today", and that it doesn't give off the sound or heat you would expect, and he sounded like he started to say trans-medium, but stopped himself at trans. Of course he could just be mistaken, rather than lying or kept in the dark. But still there are apparent contradictions in what we hear from AARO IMO. It's hard to believe anything without transparency, and until then we're left with opinions.

 

[John J.]

He claimed (speaking about black triangle UFOs) there is technology with performance with we can't replicate, in his interview with Greenstreet.

Ah, thank you for the rapid response- by chance I've just noticed the Tim Phillips lends credence to the existence of anomalous black triangle UFOs which you started!

 

[NorCal Dave]

Phillips admits some anomalous technology seems to exist, which isn't ours, and which he thinks we can't replicate. He thinks it is adversarial.

So he says. As discussed in the thread about his claims, he use big sweeping statements that can be taken in variously ways. His claim that these are adversarial is answered more or less by you:

But I would bet that the US is in the lead on any such frontier,

Agreed. As I asked in the other thread, what advisory has ever shown the existence of the necessary prerequisites to develop this supposed technology? Not Iran or North Korea. Russia had a space program that relied heavily on tweaking '60s & '70s technology. There most advanced aircraft, the Su57 was and is heavily reliant on western tech. China, maybe, but only in the last 10-20 years. This supposed anomalous technology would take a fair amount of time to ramp up to.

This implies, to me, if the claims of actual anomalous technology are real, likely AARO was not let in on its origins, or is not letting us in on it (i.e. Phillips was kept in the dark or Phillips was lying to us).

That's speculation based on assuming anomalous technology does in fact exist. Something for which there is still no evidence. Phillips may be like a number of people in this field that saw and or heard about things, possibly out of context, and may have assumed these things do more than they really do.

IF there are plausible things like the supposed Aroura, a super secret follow up to the SR71 that pushes existing technology to the frontier, even if AARO knows about it, it would likely remain secret. And I don't mean a physics defying craft, just a very technologically advanced one based on our current technology.

In either case, how can we believe the claim about a giant hazing ritual without evidence.

Agreed. Right now it's just another possible story. I would argue though that hazing rituals are a known thing. Closed institutions like the military engage in things like hazing. We know that cadets at the Air Force academy engaged in hazing:

An investigation found roughly 30 players on the Air Force Academy's lacrosse team were involved in hazing of freshmen cadets to varying degrees, the academy said in an email Wednesday.

https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/...for-hazing-now-some-of-them-may-not-graduate/

So, we have actual evidence for hazing by Air Force people, we don't have evidence for anomalous aircraft.

 

[Mendel]

Is there any way for us to assess which account (Fravor or Greenstreet's) is more accurate?

Yes. Wait for evidence to emerge (e.g. vol.2 of the AARO report).
We can assume Fravor wasn't on the bridge of the Princeton and didn't witness this.

Is it likely that recently-gathered radar information, recorded on whatever medium, would be stored in the (USS Princeton) Captain's accommodation?

Greenstreet uses the words "Captain's room", which could well refer to the captain's workplace.

What were the two officers doing, or supposed to be doing, when they supposedly saw the DARPA employees enter the Captain's accommodation?

Working.

(1) Greenstreet doesn't supply evidence of anything unusual being tested.
(2) The AeroVironment Wasp

That's the evidence. The WASP III was a DARPA project.
We don't know whether DARPA trialled the WASP IV at some point, because that trial would've been classified.

it is hard to understand how USS Princeton failed to see the ship from which they were launched and operated.

Nobody claims that the Princeton failed to see it. Greenstreet says that this had nothing to do with the Tic-Tac thing, it merely happened afterwards, establishing a false causality for the UFOlogists.
Wasn't the Princeton operating near one of the islands where they test drones? And you saw the video I posted, the USMC or the Navy Seals might well launch these from small rubber boats (in fact, that would be the only way to retrieve these).

 

[John J.]

the USMC or the Navy Seals might well launch these from small rubber boats (in fact, that would be the only way to retrieve these)

Which might be another reason not to use Wasp in a drone swarm trial (in addition to its extremely limited payload).

 

[TDM]

The hazing ritual probably contains themes and ideas that were already a part of UFO mythology when it started.

That's a certainty. The ur-myth in UFOlogy is about recovering alien spacecraft and/or bodies in Roswell, right? And the article claims they're being shown a flying saucer. The idea of a long running, above-top-secret coverup is an inevitable feature in all UFOlogy because of the obvious discrepancy between UFO mythology and reality. If the UFOs were visting routinely and there was no coverup, it would all be common knowledge, so there has to be a coverup by definition.

Project Blue Book was a study into UFO sightings. Have Blue was the F117 prototype code name. Whether by design or accident, "Yankee Blue" has that just so quality where it sounds like it could be a real top secret code name for something.

Whether they also included any details beyond just "photo of fuzzy flying saucer" as part of the hazing (possibly what you are alluding to), I have no idea. The practice probably wasn't standardised, since it isn't official. So yeah it's plausible that some people got to see tic tacs, others got to see triangles, or what have you, at the discresion of whoever printed out the photo for the new batch of recruits in a given year.

 

[Kelvin]

Project Blue Book was a study into UFO sightings. Have Blue was the F117 prototype code name. Whether by design or accident, "Yankee Blue" has that just so quality where it sounds like it could be a real top secret code name for something.

The use of Yankee White for Presidential support activities is fairly well known. I suspect the hoaxer constructed the name Yankee Blue to imply something like "Presidential UFO program."

DoDI 5210.87 (November 30, 1998)

The administrative nickname "YANKEE WHITE" must be stamped or printed in the Remarks section of the DD Form 1879, "Request for Personnel Security Investigation," for all Presidential support requests that are manually submitted. For those electronic submissions of the DD Form 1879, "YANKEE WHITE" will be typed in item 1 and the form will then be stamped by the Defense Security Service (DSS) upon completion of the investigation.