Yankee Blue - The Hazing Ritual Responsible for Some Military Belief in UFOs?

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https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/ufo-us-disinformation-45376f7e
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But Kirkpatrick soon discovered that some of the obsession with secrecy verged on the farcical. A former Air Force officer was visibly terrified when he told Kirkpatrick's investigators that he had been briefed on a secret alien project decades earlier, and was warned that if he ever repeated the secret he could be jailed or executed. The claim would be repeated to investigators by other men who had never spoken of the matter, even with their spouses.

It turned out the witnesses had been victims of a bizarre hazing ritual.

For decades, certain new commanders of the Air Force's most classified programs, as part of their induction briefings, would be handed a piece of paper with a photo of what looked like a flying saucer. The craft was described as an antigravity maneuvering vehicle.

The officers were told that the program they were joining, dubbed Yankee Blue, was part of an effort to reverse-engineer the technology on the craft. They were told never to mention it again. Many never learned it was fake. Kirkpatrick found the practice had begun decades before, and appeared to continue still. The defense secretary's office sent a memo out across the service in the spring of 2023 ordering the practice to stop immediately, but the damage was done.

Investigators are still trying to determine why officers had misled subordinates, whether as some type of loyalty test, a more deliberate attempt to deceive or something else.

After that 2023 discovery, Kirkpatrick's deputy briefed President Joe Biden's director of national intelligence, Avril Haines, who was stunned.

Could this be the basis for the persistent belief that the U.S. has an alien program that we've concealed from the American people? Haines wanted to know, according to people familiar with the matter. How extensive was it? she asked.

The official responded: "Ma'am, we know it went on for decades. We are talking about hundreds and hundreds of people. These men signed NDAs. They thought it was real."

The finding could have been devastating to the Air Force. The service was particularly sensitive to the allegations of hazing and asked that AARO hold off on including the finding in the public report, even after Kirkpatrick had briefed lawmakers on the episode. Kirkpatrick retired before that report was finished and released.
Astonishing, if true. Hundreds of people, including "new commanders of the Air Force's most classified programs" were fooled into thinking that alien craft were real.
 
There's a lot in the article. Is it worth making this thread more open to all within it, instead of just the Yankee Blue stuff?
 
Astonishing, if true.
It's the Wall Street Journal, and Kirkpatrick and Haines are available for corroboration. Why wouldn't it be true?
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In a statement, a Defense Department spokeswoman acknowledged that AARO had uncovered evidence of fake classified program materials relating to extraterrestrials, and had briefed lawmakers and intelligence officials. The spokeswoman, Sue Gough, said the department didn't include that information in its report last year because the investigation wasn't completed, but expects to provide it in another report scheduled for later this year.
"The department is committed to releasing a second volume of its Historical Record Report, to include AARO's findings on reports of potential pranks and inauthentic materials," Gough said.
 
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Considering these were all made up programs, it would only follow that whatever oaths or NDAs they took relating to these programs are null and void. If the uap whistleblowers were genuinely being truthful as far as they knew, they can now speak freely on the details. They can't hide behind the fear of reprisal or retaliation argument. Does Grusch even need a scif anymore if these were the fake programs he was being told about?

Let's see if we get any content to dissect.
 
Considering these were all made up programs, it would only follow that whatever oaths or NDAs they took relating to these programs are null and void. If the uap whistleblowers were genuinely being truthful as far as they knew, they can now speak freely on the details. They can't hide behind the fear of reprisal or retaliation argument. Does Grusch even need a scif anymore if these were the fake programs he was being told about?

Unlikely. The SAP is still real - it is just that the information within it is not true- so the NDA is still enforcable. It would be just as criminal to say that that SAP information is not true as it would be to say that it is. Hence why people say "I cannot confirm or deny" and that the only acceptable answer is 'no comment'.
 
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It will just get claimed this is all part of the cover-up and weaponization of stigma, unless names, documents, specific details etc emerge I can't see it gaining any traction, even though it might be accurate.

I mean Gimbal and Go-Fast could have been being used to convince the hazing victims but it's gonna be hard to show any of this if all happened as hear-say etc.
 
Something doesn't make sense.

I was never a frat guy, but I knew a few and I was inducted into the Fraternal order of Elks a number of years ago. The thing with hazing or similar inductions, is that once in, you learn the truth so you can then haze the next group. One would think that after being shown the UFO and going through the hazing ritual, at some point, the inductee eventually becomes the inductor. By that time, it should be obvious that they never worked on a UFO and the SAP they were part of didn't work on UFOs.

Even if a few continued to think there was a secret UFO program, an equal number must have concluded it was just a hazing ritual.

I guess it would only take a few people really believing it in an insular world to reinforce it to each other. Similar to the public, but insular, UFO world today. Knapp, Corbel, Elizondo, Davis, and the SWR guys all reinforce the UFO message to each other and to new recruits like Grusch, and Barber. And people like to belong and be part of a group, especially if it involves secret stuff only one's group knows about.
 
Unlikely. The SAP is still real - it is just that the infotmation within it is not true- so the NDA is still enforcable. It would be just as criminal to say that that SAP information is not true as it would be to say that it is. Hence why people say "I cannot confirm or deny" and that the only acceptable answer is 'no comment'.

Interesting. So hypothetically, if a fake SAP was created within a genuine SAP, exposing details of the fake SAP undermines the NDA you signed?
 
Interesting. So hypothetically, if a fake SAP was created within a genuine SAP, exposing details of the fake SAP undermines the NDA you signed?
you'd have to go through DOPSR in any case

there's no "public interest" that could get you off the hook if you didn't, nothing illegal happened
 
Yes. And we never heard from those who figured it out, because to them it was a simple prank they soon forgot.

Or an insider prank they then get to pull on others, the same as was done to them. Kinda the point of hazing right? The older guys got me when I was new, now I get to be the older guy pranking the new guys.
 
Or an insider prank they then get to pull on others, the same as was done to them. Kinda the point of hazing right? The older guys got me when I was new, now I get to be the older guy pranking the new guys.
But you could argue that even so it should have leaked by now. (You can also argue that, now, it has... ^_^)
 
https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/ufo-us-disinformation-45376f7e
[Archive link: https://archive.is/7KsjM ]
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The officers were told that the program they were joining, dubbed Yankee Blue, was part of an effort to reverse-engineer the technology on the craft. They were told never to mention it again. Many never learned it was fake. Kirkpatrick found the practice had begun decades before, and appeared to continue still. The defense secretary's office sent a memo out across the service in the spring of 2023 ordering the practice to stop immediately, but the damage was done.

Investigators are still trying to determine why officers had misled subordinates, whether as some type of loyalty test, a more deliberate attempt to deceive or something else.
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Astonishing, if true. Hundreds of people, including "new commanders of the Air Force's most classified programs" were fooled into thinking that alien craft were real.
I mean, it would be a great way to suss out people who are inclined to leak information, provide them something pragmatically innocuous but juicy enough to share. You could even vary the details of the image or the code name of the program to watermark the information for individuals.
 
Makes you wonder what on earth 'Immaculate Constellation' is if we heard about that before 'Yankee Blue'.

Possibly nothing. I think the only information about ImConn comes direct from Mathew Brown. By his own words to Knapp & Corbel, he found some sort of Power Point deck, with missing information and he was "reading between the lines" trying to understand it. AFAIK, there are NO official documents for ImConn, as of now, right? The report on ImConn Shellenberger gave to Congress was from Brown. When Brown was on with K&C, I think the "documents" and photos they show are recreations.

Brown found the file while snooping around, read and interpreted it his way, and then 5-7 years later, wrote a report and gives interviews based on his recollections. Going back over the thread on Browns interview, I think this is correct. It's all just what Brown claims to have seen years ago.

That same Brown now appears to be using the handle @SunOf Abrammilen on X, a possible reference to a 17th century magical grimoire. While taunting Musk on X he signed off such that he may be insinuating he's some sort of Enocian magical entity, Aborymon, a possible bringer of chaos and the end times:

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ImConn may have been some sort of war game scenario as has been speculated, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was no such thing.
 
Interesting. So hypothetically, if a fake SAP was created within a genuine SAP, exposing details of the fake SAP undermines the NDA you signed?

Well, when I retired from the Intel Community all of my security clearances were turned off. Since then nobody from the government has contacted me and told "you know these particular X, Y, Z secrets, they are not secret anymore". So I have no idea what, if any, secrets I once was privy too are no longer secret.

Any other retirees here who have been contacted by their old security office and told its okay to talk about something once classified?
 
Well, when I retired from the Intel Community all of my security clearances were turned off. Since then nobody from the government has contacted me and told "you know these particular X, Y, Z secrets, they are not secret anymore". So I have no idea what, if any, secrets I once was privy too are no longer secret.

Any other retirees here who have been contacted by their old security office and told its okay to talk about something once classified?
I remember the security briefings (along with less than subtle threats) at the beginning of programs and upon my exit, but I have never, ever been told it is now okay to talk about it.
 
Blue indicates friendly forces in red/blue exercises. Red Eagle was a reverse engineering program of Soviet MiGs

So maybe "Blue" is secret US tech, and "Red" is secret foreign tech (originally communist)
I can only find it in reference to 2 Lockheed projects but both were top secret tail end of the of the Cold War bomber projects.
 
I have seen references to "Blue Eisenhower" in a UFO context on some paranormal fora of the less articulate sort. I was never sure what they were talking about, but presumably had something to do with the alleged meetings between President Eisenhower and aliens.
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Former American President Dwight D. Eisenhower had three secret meetings with aliens, a former US government consultant has claimed.

The 34th President of the United States met the extra terrestrials at a remote air base in New Mexico in 1954, according to lecturer and author Timothy Good.

Eisenhower and other FBI officials are said to have organised the showdown with the space creatures by sending out 'telepathic messages'. The two parties finally met up on three separate occasions at the Holloman Air Force base and there were 'many witnesses'.

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Asked why the aliens don't go to somebody 'important' like Barack Obama, he said: 'Well, certainly I can tell you that in 1954, President Eisenhower had three encounters, set up meetings with aliens, which took place at certain Air Force bases including Holloman Air Force base in New Mexico.'

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Eisenhower, who was president from 1953 to 1961, is known to have had a strong belief in life on other planets.


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The initial meeting is supposed to have taken place with aliens who were 'Nordic' in appearance, but the agreement was eventually 'signed' with a race called 'Alien Greys'.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...etings-aliens-pentagon-consultant-claims.html
 
Blue indicates friendly forces in red/blue exercises. Red Eagle was a reverse engineering program of Soviet MiGs

So maybe "Blue" is secret US tech, and "Red" is secret foreign tech (originally communist)

In most NATO (including US) exercises, the enemy is referred to as "Orange"; historically this was felt to be less overtly offensive or threatening to the Communist USSR /Warsaw Pact.

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Stars & Stripes website, archive photo of the day, 11 February 2025.

"NATO: Orange v. Blue in Bavaria", Time magazine, 03 October 1977:
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For ten grueling days that ended last week, a mock combat raged in southern Germany between two opposing powerful military forces: the "invading" Orange and the defending Blue.
https://time.com/archive/6849282/nato-orange-v-blue-in-bavaria/

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Directing Staffs (DISTAFF) may be used in LIVEXs, CPXs and studies. Their function may be summarised as follows :
— Direction and co-ordination of exercise play.
— Simulation of non-participating BLUE (friendly) Headquarters and forces.
— Simulation of ORANGE (enemy) forces.
— Injection of incidents.
"ASPECTS OF NATO INTERNATIONAL MILITARY EXERCISES", NATO Information Services, 1978

"Orange" has been used to denote the enemy since at least 1957, Wikipedia, Exercise Strikeback, and continued to at least the early 21st century; AFAIK it is still used.


Have Blue
Kona Blue
Yankee Blue ...Then there was Tacit Blue
@jarlmai might be on to something regarding the use of these terms by UFO enthusiasts.

Real codewords/ classified nicknames (as opposed to nicknames in the public domain) are unlikely to use a word in common for related programs/ operations, it just makes the work of opposition analysts easier. Unlike in thrillers or the conspiracy sphere, they don't (or shouldn't) have a direct semantic connection to their subject matter or related programs/ operations.
 
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I mean, it would be a great way to suss out people who are inclined to leak information, provide them something pragmatically innocuous but juicy enough to share. You could even vary the details of the image or the code name of the program to watermark the information for individuals.

I like that idea! Though I'd be surprised if that were the reason for the claimed UFO photo thing.

There was a recent high-profile (in UK) court case involving a similar idea of revealing tailored "confidential" information, so that a "leaker" could be identified:

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Wagatha Christie is a popular name given to a dispute between the British media personalities Rebekah Vardy and Coleen Rooney, which culminated in a 2022 libel case in the English High Court, Vardy v Rooney.
Wikipedia, Wagatha Christie:

The title is a play on "Agatha Christie" and the popular use of the term WAGs, wives and girlfriends, as a label for the often glamorous partners of highly-payed professional footballers.

Coleen Rooney, wife of footballer Wayne Rooney, believed information from her private Instagram account was being leaked to The Sun newspaper.
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Rooney's original sting involved posting fake information about herself on her private Instagram stories - she had both a public and private account - to see which ones would end up being reported in the press.
She then limited the number of people who could access her private Instagram stories, eventually leaving Vardy's account as the only viewer.
BBC News, Culture, Coleen Rooney reveals how she went about Wagatha sting, 18 October 2023.
(Rebekah Vardy is the wife of footballer Jamie Vardy.)

Rooney publicly accused Vardy of leaking stories about her and husband Wayne to the press, Vardy sued but lost- having to pay her own, and most of Rooney's, legal costs, estimated at £3 million (May 2022, approx. $3.7 million).
 
So 4 code names ending in blue and 2 are Lockheed code names for stealth bombers the F-117 and the B2 Spirit

One of the AARO interviewees discussed in the Historical Report volume 1 seemingly heard a second-hand version of a story where an officer who had touched an F-117 (which was developed from the HAVE Blue project) was actually about the officer touching a UFO.
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Claim That a Military Officer Touched an Off-World Craft: An interviewee claim that a named former military officer explained in detail how he physically touched an extraterrestrial spacecraft is inaccurate. The claim was denied on the record by the named former officer who recounted a story of when he touched an F-117 Nighthawk stealth fighter that could have been misconstrued by the interviewee, though the named former officer does not recall having this conversation with the interviewee.

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Allegation that a Former U.S. military Service Member Touched an Extraterrestrial Spacecraft
An interviewee stated that a former military member, who was also an interviewee, had stated that he had touched an off-world aircraft. AARO contacted and interviewed the former military member who denied any knowledge of off-world technology in possession of the USG, a private contractor, or any other foreign or domestic entity. The former military member attested that he could not remember if this encounter with the original interviewee had ever occurred, but opined that if it had happened, the only situation that he might have conveyed was the time when he touched an F-117 Nighthawk stealth fighter at a facility. The former military member signed an MFR attesting to the truthfulness of his account.
https://media.defense.gov/2024/Mar/...RED-508-COMPLIANT-HRRV1-08-MAR-2024-FINAL.PDF (pp. 8, 32)
 
I get vibes from the spook training slides Snowden leaked "The Art of Deception..."

It had pics of things that looked like real objects whether it be a tank or other things but were not actually those things. It was examples of deception. In the middle of the presentation were slides of "UFOs" that apparently from what I here are just mundane things that so happen to look like UFOs.
 
The whole Yankee Blue thing sounds sort of plausible.
Civilians in the Intel Community tend to stay there for their career, exposed to secret stuff, and aware of the need for secrecy all the time.
But Military in the Intel Community sometimes are only there for a single tour. Some senior officer might have thought that putting a scare into newbies might be a good idea to help keep their mouths shut when they returned to less classified military assignments.
 
I get vibes from the spook training slides Snowden leaked "The Art of Deception..."

It had pics of things that looked like real objects whether it be a tank or other things but were not actually those things. It was examples of deception. In the middle of the presentation were slides of "UFOs" that apparently from what I here are just mundane things that so happen to look like UFOs.
not in the middle, at the end
 
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