Woody's observations of contrails in MN

Hama Neggs

Senior Member.
Sit back with a camera 6.25 miles away and while the object is traveling some 350mph take a snap shot of the planes wing and tell me how much this equipment cost you to take the pic, donations are being accepted though :)

Quote you: "The planes, they are everywhere here, and many pics of the planes too." Stop saying you can't afford equipment to make photos. YOU said plenty of photos already exist. Where are they?
 

Hama Neggs

Senior Member.
I don't blindly trust, do you? I prefer to research it myself, as I said, donations are being accepted
"Blindly trust"? What does that mean? YOU are the one who brashly proclaimed that lots of pictures exist showing these planes. Where are they? You're just dodging. Put up or shut up.
 

Miss VocalCord

Senior Member.
I do not want to blow up a site with pics and videos,
Only two pictures; one where you have succesfully identified a plane on a photo you took and the other a screenshot of fligthradar, identifing the plane, just a combination of these two....

So far I've been able to do this for two out of the two 'unidentifiable' planes you showed, the only reason why they don't wouldn't match is because you think they are too far away, and you have shown to be bad at estimating distances, so that is not so much an argument.

no more guessing or thinking it is this flight or that one.
Wait, so now all planes are in principle unidentifiable?
 

Hama Neggs

Senior Member.
Nope, as I said in an earlier post, I believe last Tuesday, they were maintaining, one of those unusual days of sustaining trails, yet they still differed in density and I displayed it.
YOU said this: "This is what all the normal jets looked like today, the unidentified ones are the only ones leaving the cirrus clouds behind them." Your picture shows a plane with a white trail behind it. You're saying that white trail is not made of ice crystals, just like a cirrus cloud?

Where is your evidence that the plane in that pic is "identified" and planes you claim are leaving a different type of trial are UNidentified?
 

Hama Neggs

Senior Member.
Nope, cirrus clouds can come at any time, but the increased amounts was being generated from aircraft through observation

YOU said this: "by midday the cirrus clouds from the unidentified planes accumulate so the distance you can see standard contrails is limited to less than 20 miles." In the pics of clouds you offered with that comment, the clouds show no sign of having originated from persistent contrails. You seem to be assuming that those clouds only existed due to aircraft, but there is no evidence of that.
 
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Hama Neggs

Senior Member.
I do not want to blow up a site with pics and videos, the purpose is to prove this unusual behavior of contrails sustaining for hours as observed on October 9, 2001 is no longer unusual, it's almost every day.

You're expecting people to accept something based on your personal memory from over a decade ago?
 

cloudspotter

Senior Member.
Could be, we are near Fargo, When they are unidentified, its a guess but I am beginning to guess with far more accuracy, but only overhead, at a distance with trails they are hard to determine altitudes.

No need to guess when you know 2 angles and one side of a triangle
 

JRBids

Senior Member.
Sit back with a camera 6.25 miles away and while the object is traveling some 350mph take a snap shot of the planes wing and tell me how much this equipment cost you to take the pic, donations are being accepted though :)

You sometimes mention "we". None of you has a camera that can take a good photo?

No, it wasn't this flight.

It's never "this" flight. Have you EVER been able to identify ANY plane?
 

JRBids

Senior Member.
YOU said this: "by midday the cirrus clouds from the unidentified planes accumulate so the distance you can see standard contrails is limited to less than 20 miles." In the pics of clouds you offered with that comment, the clouds show no sign of having originated from persistent contrails. You seem to be assuming that those clouds only existed due to aircraft, but there is no evidence of that.

I'm wondering if Woody has any success identifying planes that leave "normal" contrails.
 

solrey

Senior Member.
Daily, huh? Well folks, anyone can confirm or deny Woody's claims by browsing the webcams around Minneapolis on Weather Undergound. They have over 400 webcams available from around the region. The advantage of wunderground over the MNDOT site is wunderground includes private webcams in addition to archived images through the previous month for each webcam. I've looked at several of them and there are many days that are mostly if not totally cloud free across the entire greater Minneapolis region. There is a whole series of traffic cams along I-94 between Minneapolis and St. Cloud. Here's one example from Oct. 1, 2013 where all the webcams in the area that I've checked show a perfectly clear day all day, likewise for Oct. 7:

aicons.wunderground.com_webcamarchive_s_a_SandburgMSGVMN_1_201ff5e9c40fef26e2b4295498a95d69f1b.jpg

CAVU baby!

Weather Underground's map based global webcam directory:

http://www.wunderground.com/webcams/

Daily my patooty! pfffffftttt
 
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TEEJ

Senior Member.
Oh? I'm confused. If there are plenty of pics showing these planes with "tanks" or something pasted on the rear fuselage, why don't you show us some?

Perhaps Woody has observed one of these flying over? According to those that believe it is obviously a tank of some sort on the rear fuselage. No assistance or reply from anyone else, please. See if Woody can figure out what on earth is the bright object on the rear fuselage?


Some comments where they are convinced that the airliner is carrying a tank of some sort. Woody see if you can work it out?

Larzabeth
Does anybody have guesses as to what that is on the bottom of that airplane? A tank of some kind that holds the chemtrail chemicals?

HighArchDruidMorph
with something that size underneath....how can it's landing gear touch the ground??? Something is amiss...needs more looking into,,,not by government but by we the people!

wesley111111111111
in both of the still shots, about a quarter from the end of the tank it looks like more white dust is being sprayed out, directly from the tank. it's even apparent in the moving shots, you can see when the trail starts it is very weak, you can almost see through it, and then very abruptly near the end of the tank it indents towards the craft and gets much brighter and more opaque. the tank also seems to change appearence at the end.

Here is a higher quality video. Woody can you work out what has caused them to think that there is some sort of bright coloured tank on the rear fuselage?


 

Woody

Member
upload_2013-10-16_18-3-1.jpegHere is a good one for you all to test your abilities to judge distance and elevations from a photo. There is a cloud mass dead ahead, how far away is it and what do you estimate its peak elevation to be to the top?
 

Woody

Member
Perhaps Woody has observed one of these flying over? According to those that believe it is obviously a tank of some sort on the rear fuselage. No assistance or reply from anyone else, please. See if Woody can figure out what on earth is the bright object on the rear fuselage?


Some comments where they are convinced that the airliner is carrying a tank of some sort. Woody see if you can work it out?







Here is a higher quality video. Woody can you work out what has caused them to think that there is some sort of bright coloured tank on the rear fuselage?


Can't really tell, it looks as if it is a reflection off a bay door used for loading and unloading, like a fed ex type of plane, but that's just a guess. I wouldn't call it a tank.
 

Woody

Member
Daily, huh? Well folks, anyone can confirm or deny Woody's claims by browsing the webcams around Minneapolis on Weather Undergound. They have over 400 webcams available from around the region. The advantage of wunderground over the MNDOT site is wunderground includes private webcams in addition to archived images through the previous month for each webcam. I've looked at several of them and there are many days that are mostly if not totally cloud free across the entire greater Minneapolis region. There is a whole series of traffic cams along I-94 between Minneapolis and St. Cloud. Here's one example from Oct. 1, 2013 where all the webcams in the area that I've checked show a perfectly clear day all day, likewise for Oct. 7:

aicons.wunderground.com_webcamarchive_s_a_SandburgMSGVMN_1_201ff5e9c40fef26e2b4295498a95d69f1b.jpg

CAVU baby!

Weather Underground's map based global webcam directory:

http://www.wunderground.com/webcams/

Daily my patooty! pfffffftttt
You still don't get it, they spray in sectors!
 

Woody

Member
You sometimes mention "we". None of you has a camera that can take a good photo?



It's never "this" flight. Have you EVER been able to identify ANY plane?
Identify plenty, this is how we came up with an estimate of 70% are identifiable, the remaining are not. Have seen Fed Ex and Delta flights come in unidentified. We sit at the airport and watch them, gives us the ability to understand where they are in reference to the data, and for judging distance, altitudes and speeds.
 

Pete Tar

Senior Member.
Identify plenty, this is how we came up with an estimate of 70% are identifiable, the remaining are not. Have seen Fed Ex and Delta flights come in unidentified. We sit at the airport and watch them, gives us the ability to understand where they are in reference to the data, and for judging distance, altitudes and speeds.
Then document these identifications!
 

scombrid

Senior Member.
You still don't get it, they spray in sectors!

So you claim. Your drawing of circles on a map showing the sectors fails to demonstrate your claim.

Perhaps you can try time-stamped visible satellite imagery.

All the satellite loops that I've viewed of your area on the days you claim are spray days showed cirrus and contrails moving overhead in association with weather systems.
 

TEEJ

Senior Member.
Can't really tell, it looks as if it is a reflection off a bay door used for loading and unloading, like a fed ex type of plane, but that's just a guess. I wouldn't call it a tank.

The video is an example of the ignorance that is out there in regards to chemtrail believers and aviation. The 'tank' on the rear fuselage is nothing other than the livery of the airline - Monarch Airlines.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Monarch-Airlines/Airbus-A330-243/2265315/L

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Monarch-Airlines/Airbus-A330-243/1634570/L/

So, can you provide images of aircraft with 'chemical tanks' on the tail? If you have witnessed them in person and the images are freely available on the internet then why can't you? Think about the number of aviation enthusiasts around the world and yet these aircraft are never photographed or logged?

Look at the strange pod that Tankerenemy is highlighting on the aircraft?


The pods are a Tupolev design trait. It is one solution for them in order to carry multi-bogie main undercarriage. Difficult to determine exactly which type but either a tri-engined Tu-154 Careless or the twin-engined Tu-134 Crusty.

http://www.airliners.net/aircraft-data/stats.main?id=376

http://www.airliners.net/aircraft-data/stats.main?id=375

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Tupolev

http://www.airliners.net/photo/KMV---Kavkazskie/Tupolev-Tu-154M/1814353/L/

Tupolev bombers featuring the undercarriage pod design.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Russia---Air/Tupolev-Tu-95MS/1740230/L/

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Russia---Air/Tupolev-Tu-22RD/1784171/L/

This is basic information, but these peoples are simply embarrassing themselves time and time again. The other undercarriage pod is in shadow and indistinct on the video. So can you provide a link to images or even a drawing of what you witnessed?
 

Woody

Member
I see the "Implied Consent Rule" could apply here. Not one person making a claim about distance and altitude is willing to answer my question on the photo. Hmmm
 

Woody

Member
The video is an example of the ignorance that is out there in regards to chemtrail believers and aviation. The 'tank' on the rear fuselage is nothing other than the livery of the airline - Monarch Airlines.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Monarch-Airlines/Airbus-A330-243/2265315/L

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Monarch-Airlines/Airbus-A330-243/1634570/L/

So, can you provide images of aircraft with 'chemical tanks' on the tail? If you have witnessed them in person and the images are freely available on the internet then why can't you? Think about the number of aviation enthusiasts around the world and yet these aircraft are never photographed or logged?

Look at the strange pod that Tankerenemy is highlighting on the aircraft?


The pods are a Tupolev design trait. It is one solution for them in order to carry multi-bogie main undercarriage. Difficult to determine exactly which type but either a tri-engined Tu-154 Careless or the twin-engined Tu-134 Crusty.

http://www.airliners.net/aircraft-data/stats.main?id=376

http://www.airliners.net/aircraft-data/stats.main?id=375

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Tupolev

http://www.airliners.net/photo/KMV---Kavkazskie/Tupolev-Tu-154M/1814353/L/

Tupolev bombers featuring the undercarriage pod design.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Russia---Air/Tupolev-Tu-95MS/1740230/L/

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Russia---Air/Tupolev-Tu-22RD/1784171/L/

This is basic information, but these peoples are simply embarrassing themselves time and time again. The other undercarriage pod is in shadow and indistinct on the video. So can you provide a link to images or even a drawing of what you witnessed?
So, then we can asses that by my answer we are confirming that I am not one of those chemtrail activists you are talking about....hmmm
 

Woody

Member
I have loaded pics and videos that are only scrutinized by people, and no pic at 5 to 7 miles at 350 mph will ever show up with the clarity you can all be happy with, I have accepted this. I have decided, with cloudspotters and micks advise, to use photos with trajectory and angles that can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt the exact flight paths of these planes with time and date. As it does with all programs, it takes time to use any program to fully understand it, and now with both my understanding of the program and proper alignment I can be exact with my plotting. After all, math doesn't lie, people do and there are plenty of radicals to go around on both sides, activists and deniers.
 

Miss VocalCord

Senior Member.
I see the "Implied Consent Rule" could apply here. Not one person making a claim about distance and altitude is willing to answer my question on the photo. Hmmm
You still haven't post one of these, you have been asked for it multiple times now:
The planes, they are everywhere here, and many pics of the planes too.
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Or one of the planes you have been able to identify and document with flighttradar... Its nine months ago... still waiting....


and no pic at 5 to 7 miles at 350 mph will ever show up with the clarity you can all be happy with, I have accepted this.
You can take pics people will be happy with, you just don't want to spend the money on making them, that is a small difference, its not impossible.

Looking forward to the new pics and documented information....
 
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Woody

Member
You still haven't post one of these, you have been asked for it multiple times now:
The planes, they are everywhere here, and many pics of the planes too.
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Or one of the planes you have been able to identify and document with flighttradar... Its nine months ago... still waiting....
I have been tracking them and displaying them throughout this post on days when the sky is available, lots of overcast since Monday and yesterday afternoon it was clear and crisp for the first time since the weekend. Lets see if today brings any blue, I could use some sun
 

Miss VocalCord

Senior Member.
I have been tracking them and displaying them throughout this post on days when the sky is available, lots of overcast since Monday and yesterday afternoon it was clear and crisp for the first time since the weekend. Lets see if today brings any blue, I could use some sun

This was about pictures of planes with "tanks on the side", a claim you made a while ago. So now you are saying you don't have pictures of planes with "tanks on the side"?

And by that we can also confirm that since that claim, more then nine months ago, you haven't been able to make a single photograph of one of them even while they seem to fly on an almost daily base?
Anyone who has eyes can see them, including the chemical tanks mounted on the side of the planes on many of them here. They appear to be DC-9's with orangish tanks mounted on the sides of the aircraft behind the front wing reaching back to the tail on both sides and was appearing to be spraying from the wings.
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And while we are at it, what ever happened to the right equipment you had in April?
We will prove this once and for all, and I do hope I am wrong. I will be able to track and watch them from the ground, after all, surveillance is my specialty, this one will reach up and get a close look on a stable pan and tilt. Will take a week or longer to gather the information depending on cloud conditions and other variables.
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Hama Neggs

Senior Member.
I see the "Implied Consent Rule" could apply here. Not one person making a claim about distance and altitude is willing to answer my question on the photo. Hmmm

Heh... people are tired of running around in circles with you, Woody. Why won't YOU supply photos you claimed were available? Stop treating people here like they are your stupid puppets.
 

SR1419

Senior Member.
Woody- you still haven't addressed the basic premise of contrail formation and persistence.

Do you acknowledge that "normal" contrails from "normal" planes can and often do persist for hours and spread into cirrus clouds?

...and have done so since planes have flown high enough?
 

TEEJ

Senior Member.
So, then we can asses that by my answer we are confirming that I am not one of those chemtrail activists you are talking about....hmmm

Woody,
After searching through your posts I do believe you are firmly in the same ballpark as those very misguided chemtrail activists that make and comment on the videos that I posted.

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/th...trail-and-high-cirrus-clouds.1084/#post-23970

You are the ones making claims here of DC-9 types with orange tanks. Yet where are the images? Can you not understand that people in your belief culture make these glaring mistakes and misinterpretations in regards to aviation? YT is full of them and they either delete comments by aviation enthusiasts, block or have comment pending to weed out such posts. The result is that the ignorance remains without correction and more believers stumble upon them. Again I'll ask you where are the images of these DC-9s with orangish tanks that you claim to have witnessed? If believers are fooled by aircraft liveries reflecting light and by perfectly normal pods and appendages then what makes you so sure that you haven't been?

What I believe that you are witnessing is the various regional airliner types such as Bombardier/Canadair and Embraers. On some of these types the under fuselage fairings are very distinct and prominent and especially if light reflect off. If you study 9/11 then many believers think that they can see pods on the Boeing 767s for example. Of course it is just the fairings that are perfectly normal.

I've included some DC-9 types such as MD-80/90 and Boeing 717, but I think that you are just observing the regional airliners types with more distinct fairings?

http://www.airliners.net/photo/American-Eagle/Canadair-CL-600-2C10-Regional/2272084/L

http://www.airliners.net/photo/American-Eagle/Canadair-CL-600-2C10-Regional/2328795/L

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Delta-Connection-(GoJet/Canadair-CL-600-2C10-Regional/2260510/L

http://www.airliners.net/photo/American-Eagle/Embraer-EMB-135KL-(ERJ-140LR)/2323938/L

http://www.airliners.net/photo/BMI-Regional/Embraer-EMB-135LR-(ERJ-135LR)/2304289/L

http://www.airliners.net/photo/American-Eagle/Embraer-EMB-145LR-(ERJ-145LR)/2329480/L

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Iberia/McDonnell-Douglas-MD-87/1294427/L/

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Delta-Air-Lines/McDonnell-Douglas-MD-88/0408992/L/

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Star-Alliance-(Blue1)/McDonnell-Douglas-MD-90-30/1675501/L/

http://www.airliners.net/photo/AeroMexico/McDonnell-Douglas-MD-87/1301877/L/

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Untitled-(Fars-Air/McDonnell-Douglas-MD-83/1752333/L/

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Volotea/Boeing-717-2BL/2278617/L
 
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Jay Reynolds

Senior Member.
Sit back with a camera 6.25 miles away and while the object is traveling some 350mph take a snap shot of the planes wing and tell me how much this equipment cost you to take the pic, donations are being accepted though :)
Woody, like has been pointed out, you first claimed the details of the planes were easily seen, then you have claimed that pictures were already available, then you said you had equipment ready. Now you want other people's money? You've been here about ten months, if you had put $1/day in your piggy bank you would have been ever more ready, but there is always an excuse.

You are brave enough to come here and try big talk, but you are showing yourself very small on action, on planning, on competency, and follow through.
It has become tiresome, seeing you get no further than most any of the other chemtrails believers. So sad to see you all fumbling about when others have gone so far beyond you.

Take a careful look at where you should be by now:
Video and flight identification:
https://www.youtube.com/user/LasVegasSkyWatch/videos

Excellent high altitude aircraft photography:
http://www.luchtzak.be/forums/viewforum.php?f=25

Singapore Airlines- Flying at 39,000 feet:

singapore airlines 39,000 feet.jpg

Look at the dates, this was possible years ago, no need to reinvent the wheel, the template has been around a very long time.
You just don't want to do what is necessary.
 

MikeC

Closed Account
Sit back with a camera 6.25 miles away and while the object is traveling some 350mph take a snap shot of the planes wing and tell me how much this equipment cost you to take the pic, donations are being accepted though :)

Skystef has his setup detailed here - that is a 10" Skywatcher telescope - that exactly model might not be available any more - but this one with the same branding from Amazon costs $699

Combined with a camera I think you'd need about $3 a day rather than $1....
 

cloudspotter

Senior Member.
Woody, like has been pointed out, you first claimed the details of the planes were easily seen, then you have claimed that pictures were already available, then you said you had equipment ready. Now you want other people's money? You've been here about ten months, if you had put $1/day in your piggy bank you would have been ever more ready, but there is always an excuse.

The estimated $1600 he's spent on poisoning himself in that time could have been put to better use. More oxygen to the brain wouldn't go amiss either :rolleyes:
 

TEEJ

Senior Member.
Woody,
Why don't you set up a group? Set up a website, Facebook page or a You Tube Channel. Post flyers and ask people in your locality to upload media. There is bound to be other believers in your locality that have the equipment or are able to put finance towards it. You can even set up a website with a 'click to donate' in order to fund better photographic equipment.

Woody,
For starters here is someone that you can link up with. Wright County according to the video.

Wright County


 
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Woody

Member
Since I was last here on 10/17, there was the morning of 10/18 when we had upload_2013-10-28_21-10-2.jpeg some blue thupload_2013-10-28_21-11-26.jpegat gave way to clouds through the rest of the week, and some snow too. On 10?18 I took these pics of these trails. I was driving away from it and had to get to work. Another day of sustaining trails by unidentified aircraft.
 

MikeC

Closed Account
Only unidentified by you.....and then only because you apparently do not want to identify them since you have been given the tools to do so in this thread.
 

Woody

Member
10/27 we had sun, but was playing with the grandkids. 10/28 I took some shots here for you, once again, unidentified sustaining trails. This is what they look like after some time.upload_2013-10-28_21-14-18.jpegupload_2013-10-28_21-15-12.jpegupload_2013-10-28_21-15-54.jpegBut its not fair unless I can give you a contrail of a plane that you can identify so you can see how the identifiable ones appear, there is a differnce. :)upload_2013-10-28_21-17-43.jpeg
 
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