Whistleblowers - The Question That Never Gets Asked

Scaramanga

Senior Member
This is not a specific debunk. Rather it is a request for information that relates to practically every whistleblower case. It is the asking of a question that is always at the back of my mind whenever I see UFO whistleblowers revert to the claim that a Non Disclosure Agreement or SAP or security clearances mean they cannot discuss details of an allegedly illegal SAP. It is the 'illegal' bit that raises a paradox...

The simple question is this : - If a special access project is itself illegal, can NDA agreements relating to it be legally enforced ?

I do not understand how someone can come forth and state that a project they were working on is/was illegal, and yet at the same time they stand by the legality of NDA agreements relating to it. Can anyone actually resolve this paradox ?
 
I am not a lawyer so don't know the legal end of things, but I do believe that this is just an excuse being used to justify their not saying anything on the record than a legitimate fear of prosecution. Easy to tell tall tales over a beer, another to swear to them under oath.

As an example I would suggest people go to the AARO Reading room and read the tale of David Grusch's contact with AARO.

AARO - EFOIA Reading Room
The 2024 item titled "Communication Between AARO and Mr. David Grusch" 24-F-0266

This contains the timeline for Mr Grusch's disclosure dance with AARO, and the various events that happened and did not happen.
He appears to have had qualified legal advice yet in the end decided not to meet with AARO.

If someone really believed that they had vital world-shattering information, that the public HAD to have, they would disclose and dare the government to indict. Just doesn't seem to happen. Indictment would be an acknowledgement there the was validity to what they are saying, proof if you will, of the biggest conspiracy of all time. As they declare it to be.

And fears of MIB hit-squads I dismiss, if such existed quite a number of the Usual Suspects would have vanished from the Convention circuit long ago.
 
If a special access project is itself illegal, can NDA agreements relating to it be legally enforced ?
Dunno.

But:

IF no, then why do they not actually bring the evidence and disclose meaningful stuff?

IF yes, then isn't it already a violation to say as much as they are saying? I am not aware of any NDA in which you are allowed to talk freely about the thing covered and tell what you know as long as you don't offer any proof.
 
If someone really believed that they had vital world-shattering information, that the public HAD to have, they would disclose and dare the government to indict. Just doesn't seem to happen. Indictment would be an acknowledgement there the was validity to what they are saying, proof if you will, of the biggest conspiracy of all time. As they declare it to be.

If the entire basis of Congressional hearings is that Congress should legally have oversight, and whistleblowers are whistleblowing on projects that don't, then I don't see how even the excuse that contracts were handed to non-government entities that Congress have no jurisdiction over ( an excuse I have seen made ) makes any difference.

If the company is non-government then one surely also negates government classification rules. They surely can't have it both ways. If government level classification applies then government has 'oversight' as it is government that would enforce the classified info.
 
As an example I would suggest people go to the AARO Reading room and read the tale of David Grusch's contact with AARO.

AARO - EFOIA Reading Room
The 2024 item titled "Communication Between AARO and Mr. David Grusch" 24-F-0266
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Interesting question, one which brings up additional questions. I think it's possible for a person to be trapped in an "ignorance of the law is no excuse" situation. An underling, for example, may be hired to do a specific job without knowing that the entire program is a scam, that information being held only by the people at the top. Is that poor sap legitimately able to complain about things he witnessed?
 
If the entire basis of Congressional hearings is that Congress should legally have oversight, and whistleblowers are whistleblowing on projects that don't, then I don't see how even the excuse that contracts were handed to non-government entities that Congress have no jurisdiction over ( an excuse I have seen made ) makes any difference.

If the company is non-government then one surely also negates government classification rules. They surely can't have it both ways. If government level classification applies then government has 'oversight' as it is government that would enforce the classified info.

Agree the whole "UFO whistle-blower" thing creates a bit of a conundrum. As @JMartJr pointed out above, it creates this scenario where one can often share just enough information to be intriguing, yet not enough to actually confirm anything.

I always thought Grusch's claims of the 1934 Italian UFO, something he's repeated often, is a classic case. The likely forged documents the story is based on are public record. The added elements of the Pope alerting the Americans and the UFO being spirited away to Hanger 18 by US special forces all come from serial fantasizer Billy Brophy. Again, this is all public domain material. So, what exactly is Grusch sharing? There is nothing classified here, unless of course the Italian documents and Brophy's wild stories are all accurate. But if that's the case, the classified story has long been out in the public.

If Grusch is to be believed, these UFOs have been hidden from Congress since the beginning of the 20th century. The whole idea that private contractors have the crashed UFOs is an excuse for why Congress can't find them. Despite repeated hearings, there is no resolution, just stories. The reality is, all any of these people have is stories passed down and around and then "revealed" by whistle-blowers.

Obviously, there are times when the government can impose classification rules on non-government private companies via contracts. Things like the U2, the A12 or the F117 were developed by private companies for the US military under US government classification rules. Multiple private companies, like EE&G, operated all kinds of stuff at Groom Lake/Area 51 under classified government contracts. I guess the UFOlogist could argue the same applies to recovered UFOs that the government has passed onto private contractors. BUT, that doesn't mean there is no congressional oversight.

Programs like AAWSAP show that small amounts can be spent without people noticing for a short period of time, but eventually it's found out. There are black budget items, but supposedly at least a few people in Congress are aware of where much of the money is going. Just not the few Congress people that claim the US is hiding UFOs.
 
Agree the whole "UFO whistle-blower" thing creates a bit of a conundrum. As @JMartJr pointed out above, it creates this scenario where one can often share just enough information to be intriguing, yet not enough to actually confirm anything.

It is really annoying, and in my view quite revealing, that just when some Congress person has asked the most pressing questions whose answer would reveal all, there's always the fallback to ' I'd need to discuss that in a secure SCIF' or just plain 'I can't discuss that'. So....what exactly are these 'whistleblowers' whistleblowing if they can't reveal the very part that constitutes the material evidence for them even being there ? The fact that a friend of a friend of a colleague heard some claim is meaningless. The fact that one of the witnesses claims to have seen a UFO leave a NASA hangar is also meaningless...its no different to 1001 public UFO reports. The whole thing is a charade.
 
Interesting question, one which brings up additional questions. I think it's possible for a person to be trapped in an "ignorance of the law is no excuse" situation. An underling, for example, may be hired to do a specific job without knowing that the entire program is a scam, that information being held only by the people at the top. Is that poor sap legitimately able to complain about things he witnessed?

The difference is surely that Congresspersons have actually said that if these SAP projects exist then they have no oversight over them, or even knowledge of their existence. So the whistleblowers are surely being told that the projects are illegal. And as Mendel points out above...Grusch was told a number of times that he could legally tell all to AARO, yet he declined to.
 
To address the original question: if the "whistleblowers" had actual evidence of illegal activity, they would be granted whistleblower status. To my knowledge, none of the leading UFO figures who have filed IG complaints have been successful. They are not whistleblowers, legally.

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I have joked with my colleagues about how easy it would be to become a UFO/UAP whistleblower. I could create a classified document with a bunch of nonsense about UAPs, leave government, and then claim that the government has a classified document about UAPs. I could claim that my hands are tied because the information I have is classified (which of course I classified). I would then publicly argue for "disclosure" while fully knowing that the fiction I had created would not be eligible for disclosure.

Of course, I could also file a whistleblower complaint claiming that I had been reprised against for uncovering an illegal activity. It wouldn't matter if there was any actual reprisal. The results are not made public with enough specificity to identify my case. I would not have actual, legal whistleblower protections, but in the eyes of the UFO community I would be a whistleblower. It's perception that matters more to that group than reality.
 
I have joked with my colleagues about how easy it would be to become a UFO/UAP whistleblower. I could create a classified document with a bunch of nonsense about UAPs, leave government, and then claim that the government has a classified document about UAPs. I could claim that my hands are tied because the information I have is classified (which of course I classified). I would then publicly argue for "disclosure" while fully knowing that the fiction I had created would not be eligible for disclosure.
That's pretty much what happened.

AATIP was the "black" UFO program that never officially existed.
KONA BLUE was a (now declassified) proposal by the same crew.
 
To address the original question: if the "whistleblowers" had actual evidence of illegal activity, they would be granted whistleblower status. To my knowledge, none of the leading UFO figures who have filed IG complaints have been successful. They are not whistleblowers, legally.

That just leaves me even more confused. And isn't there supposed to be a group of 8 Congresspersons who are notified of all classified projects ? They would surely know if this or that project is illegal, or even exists. And if there are illegal projects...where's the FBI in all this ? And if whistleblowers fear legal retribution...who exactly is going to be doing the legal retribution ?
 
Or, of course, "Do they know there is in fact no super secret program hiding captured UFO aliens and shot down saucers, so they cannot get in non-disclosure type trouble for staying that there is -- and as long as you are careful not to push an easily-checked story, or slander anybody, you are unlikely to get called on it in any meaningful way."
 
That just leaves me even more confused. And isn't there supposed to be a group of 8 Congresspersons who are notified of all classified projects ? They would surely know if this or that project is illegal, or even exists. And if there are illegal projects...where's the FBI in all this ? And if whistleblowers fear legal retribution...who exactly is going to be doing the legal retribution ?
Yes and it's worth noting that none of the Gang of 8, nor any members of the Intelligence Committees, nor any members of the Armed Services Committees, are the ones pushing this in Congress. Those are the people with full information privileges, and direct oversight duties over the specifics of top secret and compartmentalized defense programs.

The public UFO narrative as it relates to Congress, aside from the NDAA amendment from Schumer and Rounds (which is wildly overstated by UFO influencers like Rennenkampff and Coulthart), almost entirely comes down to 3 Republican members of the House Oversight Committee (Paulina Luna, Burlison, and Burchett) who (I think) were placed on that committee specifically because they are prone to conspiracy theorizing and generating news headlines. They don't even really have the buy-in from their own committee chair, Rep Comer, nor ranking member Garcia, nor really anyone else in the committee, which is part of why they keep having to postpone or hold unofficial panels, like they did with the UAP Disclosure Fund where Elizondo shared his farm photo. That was not an official Congressional hearing.

The threats of legal retribution seem to be a mix of completely made up based on rumors of vague historical lore, and overblown/misrepresented. You have people like Grusch who are, while employed in a top secret cleared role in an Intel agency, meeting with Jeremy Corbell at a UFO convention. You have others too like a few in the recent hearing, who are saying discrediting things and admitting to violating terms of their clearances, and then getting upset when they are not able to find another top secret cleared position who is willing to or able to hire them with a renewed clearance. They interpret this as retribution for speaking "the truth", but it's actually completely understandable from the perspective of an agency trying to not hire unstable people who are prone to delusions and spreading rumors, or even leaking actual national secrets on the basis of misunderstandings they had.
 
That just leaves me even more confused. And isn't there supposed to be a group of 8 Congresspersons who are notified of all classified projects ? They would surely know if this or that project is illegal, or even exists. And if there are illegal projects...where's the FBI in all this ? And if whistleblowers fear legal retribution...who exactly is going to be doing the legal retribution ?

I find it very confusing as well. I think part of the problem is what the actual words mean. People that know legal stuff or work in government, please correct me if I'm wrong here. My understanding is that a "whistle-blower" or someone that is claiming "whistle-blower protection" is supposed to be protected because they are revealing to Congress or the public things like waste, fraud, abuse and illegal activity. Taken a step further, whistler-blowers usually are claiming that they are experiencing retribution for pointing out the fraud and illegal activity.

My understanding would be something like this: A government employee finds evidence they believe shows bribes are being paid to other government employees to influence the awarding of government contracts. The employee reports this finding to his superiors. Instead of taking action, the superiors demote or transfer the reporting employee, maybe calling them a trouble maker. The employee then files a whistler-blower complaint, seeking legal protection to reveal what they found and restitution for being demoted.

Again my understanding, but in the case above the whistle-blower complaint is not necessarily concerned with the bribery that was reported, rather, was the employee treated unfairly for trying to sound the alarm on what they thought was bribery. Whether there were bribes being paid is secondary to the complaint of male-treatment. I suppose the argument would be, IF bribes were being paid then the superiors should have looked into it and dealt with it. IF there were no bribes, the superiors would have found that and thanked the employee for alerting them even though they were mistaken. It's the supposed bad treatment of the employee for alerting the superiors that sets off the whistle-blower complaint.

Grusch is an example of this. His whistle-blower complaint is that he was mistreated for trying to look into UFO programs. In the popular media, he is a whistle-blower because he's revealing UFO information, but I believe his actual complaint is that he was mistreated. In other words, Grusch could have a good whistle-blower complaint, even if he was completely wrong about the UFO programs he thought he was looking into. It's how he was treated for raising questions about supposedly illegal UFO programs.

As for the programs, the illegality seems to be based on a lack of congressional over site. Grusch claims to have found or been told about programs Congress doesn't know about and are kept hidden. It's possible the so-called "Gang of 8" in fact have a vague notion of these programs, the programs aren't what Grusch and others think they are, or the programs don't exist. In all of these cases, there is nothing illegal.
 
As for the programs, the illegality seems to be based on a lack of congressional over site. Grusch claims to have found or been told about programs Congress doesn't know about and are kept hidden. It's possible the so-called "Gang of 8" in fact have a vague notion of these programs, the programs aren't what Grusch and others think they are, or the programs don't exist. In all of these cases, there is nothing illegal.

The fundamental problem is that Mr Grusch is making a claim, But there is no way he knows if that claim is true or not. Someone else TOLD him that was true, and he believes it, that is all.

Briefings to the "Gang of 8" are not publicly announced. They would go into a briefing room in a SCIF, with nothing in their hands, and would walk out with nothing in their hands. Their daily calendar would not list the names of the programs they were briefed on. They would not post on the walls in the Pentagon the names of the programs they were briefed on. The only record of their being briefed would be in the hands of the program persons giving the briefing and the security office responsible for arranging it.

It's what bugs me so much about this whole business, people seem to think it would be possible for Mr Grusch to find out a COMPLETE list of every program the Gang of 8 has ever been briefed on. It would be impossible.
 
Yes and it's worth noting that none of the Gang of 8, nor any members of the Intelligence Committees, nor any members of the Armed Services Committees, are the ones pushing this in Congress. Those are the people with full information privileges, and direct oversight duties over the specifics of top secret and compartmentalized defense programs.
These people also see the classified AARO reports, and I'm sure have opportunity for Q&A with the director.

It's what bugs me so much about this whole business, people seem to think it would be possible for Mr Grusch to find out a COMPLETE list of every program the Gang of 8 has ever been briefed on. It would be impossible.
Pretty sure that Elizondo is aware that Congress has never been briefed on AATIP, because it was his own "program", supported by diverting resources from elsewhere (read his book!).
 
Pretty sure that Elizondo is aware that Congress has never been briefed on AATIP, because it was his own "program", supported by diverting resources from elsewhere (read his book!).
Possibly, but would Grusch KNOW that? Or could he only know that Elizondo told him? Which takes us back to
The fundamental problem is that Mr Grusch is making a claim, But there is no way he knows if that claim is true or not. Someone else TOLD him that was true, and he believes it, that is all.

("Grusch" and "Elizondo" used generically, this would be true of any UFO beleiver and any person feeding him "true information, trust me bro!" It would also be true if the topic was something other than UFOs.)
 
It's what bugs me so much about this whole business, people seem to think it would be possible for Mr Grusch to find out a COMPLETE list of every program the Gang of 8 has ever been briefed on. It would be impossible.

Beyond event that, Grusch and others claim to know about programs specifically NOT known to the Gang of 8. The sources are not only telling the whistle-blowers about super-duper secret UFO programs, the sources are also telling Grusch and others that Congress knows nothing about these programs. Only the president, and in some tellings not even him. There is a small cabal of super-secret deep-state government folks and military contractors who control all of this.

Except of course, various members of this secret cabal continue to blab about it to various whistle-blowers and media types.
 
The sources are not only telling the whistle-blowers about super-duper secret UFO programs, the sources are also telling Grusch and others that Congress knows nothing about these programs. Only the president, and in some tellings not even him.

This reminds me of J. K. Rowling. If I remember correctly, in the Harry Potter world only the (British) prime minister was aware wizards existed.
 
Yes and it's worth noting that none of the Gang of 8, nor any members of the Intelligence Committees, nor any members of the Armed Services Committees, are the ones pushing this in Congress. Those are the people with full information privileges, and direct oversight duties over the specifics of top secret and compartmentalized defense programs.

But you can't win either way with UFOlogists. If the Gang of 8 don't know about it then that's 'evidence of a cover up'....and if the Gang Of 8 do know about it then they are 'in on the cover up'. That's how UFOlogy works. Every eventuality is proof of a cover up.
 
Beyond event that, Grusch and others claim to know about programs specifically NOT known to the Gang of 8. The sources are not only telling the whistle-blowers about super-duper secret UFO programs, the sources are also telling Grusch and others that Congress knows nothing about these programs. Only the president, and in some tellings not even him. There is a small cabal of super-secret deep-state government folks and military contractors who control all of this.

Except of course, various members of this secret cabal continue to blab about it to various whistle-blowers and media types.

If the Gang of 8 are deliberately NOT in the know that means all of the acknowledged parts of the Intelligence Community are not in the know either.

But at the point the super-secret deep-state UFO collecting cabal has another another "enemy", all of the agencies that make up the Intelligence Community that the world DOES know about. So the cabal must be expending great effort to make sure the Intelligence Community does not find out about the mere existence of the cabal. And the Intelligence Community has considerable capability for "finding out things". Very considerable capability.

And the cabal making threats to the Intelligence Community would just not work, everyone in the IC would assume the threats were coming from foreign intelligence agents and call the counter-intelligence people at the FBI. So all the cabal would be doing is making more people aware of their existence, and causing the Intelligence Community to work harder to uncover the cabal.

It is very hard to see how a group evading the US (and foreign) Intelligence Communities would maintain it's Cloak of Invisibility for any length of time, especially while blabbing to an endless stream of Whistle-Blowers.
 
To address the original question: if the "whistleblowers" had actual evidence of illegal activity, they would be granted whistleblower status. To my knowledge, none of the leading UFO figures who have filed IG complaints have been successful. They are not whistleblowers, legally.
Yes this is an important point, and my understanding is:

If allegations of wrongdoing cannot be substantiated, i.e. established as credible, then it is not a "protected disclosure or communication" under whistleblower legislation.

Furthermore, a person cannot receive protection from alleged retaliation, e.g. reprimand, loss of employment, or security clearance, unless it is credibly linked to whistleblowing.

Otherwise corrupt, incompetent, and unscrupulous persons could misuse whistleblowing legislation to avoid accountability for their own misdeeds, and may even pursue compensation!

Article:

Office of the Whistleblower Ombuds

Mission
Assist the House in protecting its sources and constituents while conducting its oversight function. We achieve this by providing nonpartisan education and confidential coaching for effectively working with whistleblowers from the public and private sectors.


Source: https://youtu.be/a5Dh_f0mnoE?t=57

Timestamp 01:24
External Quote:
Becca Jones (Deputy Director): Note that we're not an intake office for whistleblowers, rather we're here to support your work with these individuals in a confidential capacity. To complement our services our office has a library of desk guides and best practices you can refer to while working with whistleblowers.

Office of the Whistleblower Ombuds provides fact sheets for quick reference which include:

Whistleblower Protection Act (Civil Service)
External Quote:
The Whistleblower Protection Act (WPA), as amended, prohibits retaliation against most federal executive branch employees when they blow the whistle on significant agency wrongdoing or when they engage in protected conduct such as testifying before Congress.
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The WPA protects disclosures of classified information to Congress if the information being disclosed was classified by the head of a non-intelligence element agency and if the disclosure does not reveal intelligence sources and methods. (5 U.S.C. § 2302(b)(8)(C)).
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Whistleblower disclosures are frequently investigated by the Office of Special Counsel (OSC), offices of inspectors general, Congress, the media, and nongovernmental organizations,

Military Whistleblower Protection Act
External Quote:
The inspector general receiving a whistleblower complaint of alleged retaliation or restriction first decides whether they have sufficient evidence to warrant an investigation. If they do, the investigation proceeds.
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An IG's investigative report will either substantiate or not substantiate a whistleblower's claim of unlawful retaliation or restriction.
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Some service members may be assigned to one of the 18 elements of the intelligence community (IC) and must follow separate protocols for making protected disclosures.

Intelligence Community Whistleblowing
External Quote:
As a co-equal branch of government, Congress takes the position that it can lawfully receive classified disclosures that are communicated through the proper channels. Still, executive branch interpretation of whistleblower laws and policies do not always align with Congress' stance. As such, there is a heightened risk that whistleblowers could experience adverse employment, security clearance, or legal actions.
 
To address the original question: if the "whistleblowers" had actual evidence of illegal activity, they would be granted whistleblower status. To my knowledge, none of the leading UFO figures who have filed IG complaints have been successful. They are not whistleblowers, legally.

David Grusch filed a PPD-19 complaint with the IC IG pursuant to 50 U.S.C § 3033(k)(5)(A):
External Quote:
(A) An employee of an element of the intelligence community, an employee assigned or detailed to an element of the intelligence community, or an employee of a contractor to the intelligence community who intends to report to Congress a complaint or information with respect to an urgent concern may report such complaint or information to the Inspector General.
Source: https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml...section3033&num=0#substructure-location_k_5_A

Grusch's complaint alleged among other things:
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He has direct knowledge that this classified information has been withheld and/or concealed by the involved IC elements to purposely and intentionally thwart legitimate Congressional oversight of the UAP Program.
Source: https://static1.squarespace.com/sta...622/David-Grusch-PPD-19-Procedural-Filing.pdf

This automatically made it "urgent" under the definition given in 50 U.S.C § 3033(k)(5)(G)(i)(II):
External Quote:
(II) A false statement to Congress, or a willful withholding from Congress, on an issue of material fact relating to the funding, administration, or operation of an intelligence activity.
Source: https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml...section3033&num=0#substructure-location_k_5_G

So then the IG acted in accordance with 50 U.S.C § 3033(k)(5)(B)-(C):
External Quote:
(B) Not later than the end of the 14-calendar-day period beginning on the date of receipt from an employee of a complaint or information under subparagraph (A), the Inspector General shall determine whether the complaint or information appears credible. Upon making such a determination, the Inspector General shall transmit to the Director a notice of that determination, together with the complaint or information.

(C) Upon receipt of a transmittal from the Inspector General under subparagraph (B), the Director shall, within 7 calendar days of such receipt, forward such transmittal to the congressional intelligence committees, together with any comments the Director considers appropriate.
Source: https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml...section3033&num=0#substructure-location_k_5_B

ICIG Thomas Monheim apparently made the determination that the complaints "appear credible" and they were thus reported as having been found "urgent and credible" according to a press release by the law firm (Compass Rose) that was representing Grusch in the matter.
External Quote:
The ICIG found Mr. Grusch's assertion that information was inappropriately concealed from Congress to be urgent and credible in response to the filed disclosure.
Source: https://web.archive.org/web/2023061...representation-of-former-client-david-grusch/ (archive.org capture of original CR press release)

The "urgent and credible" were just procedural legal terms, not the judgement of ICIG after an in-depth investigation into secret UAP programs (as people like Ross Coulthart and Jeremy Corbell incorrectly stated multiple times), but it still makes Grusch a legit whistleblower legally as far as I understand. I don't know of any other "whistleblowers" who went through similar procedures with relevant IG's though.
 
Words and links to support...
Agree to all of this. My point is merely that Grusch's claims did not warrant whistleblower protections. Either there was no evidence of wrongdoing or there was no evidence that reprisal against Grusch occurred. Elizondo tried a similar tactic with the same result. Is it near coincidence that Elizondo filed his DoD IG complaint in May 2021 and Grusch went to the DoD IG in July 2021?

What his subsequent filing with the IC IG did provide was a means to build an impenetrable wall between the legal side and the intelligence side. He could disclose (or not disclose) anything to the IC IG investigators. They cannot release any of that information. At the same time, he could tell other entities (AARO, congressional oversight committees) that he was not confident they were cleared to receive the information he knew. He could also claim that he provided all the information to the IC IG, knowing that these entities would not be able to access anything within the IC IG investigation.
 
Excellent discussion.
These people have nothing of substance and conceal the fact that everything they rely on is mere hearsay which they choose to believe, by hiding behind NDAs.
 
Excellent discussion.
These people have nothing of substance and conceal the fact that everything they rely on is mere hearsay which they choose to believe, by hiding behind NDAs.
Agree. And Grusch's complaint of them having "withheld or concealed" information might merely signify that that nobody knowledgeable believed his unverified claims enough to take them seriously.
 
Agree. And Grusch's complaint of them having "withheld or concealed" information might merely signify that that nobody knowledgeable believed his unverified claims enough to take them seriously.

You can't Whistleblow about something that does not exist. If while investigating his claims no evidence that any of the things he believes are true are actually true where does that leave the investigators?

Suppose someone is hired to do job A, and later on also tasked to do job B, in their spare time.
Then the person stops doing job A but only does job B.
Their boss, needing job A to be done, might try to fire them so they can hire someone who will do job A.
So is the person being fired for doing job B, or for NOT doing job A? Could be hard to tell from outside the organization.
 
I don't know of any other "whistleblowers" who went through similar procedures with relevant IG's though.
I was curious about this so I looked it up - there's actually a well-documented history of IC whistleblowers who went through proper IG channels and got destroyed for it.

A synopsis courtesy of Claude:

The NSA whistleblowers (Binney, Drake, Wiebe, Loomis, Roark):
In September 2002, they filed a formal DoD Inspector General complaint about NSA waste and constitutional violations. Did everything by the book - went to NSA management, the IG, and Congress.

What happened:
July 2007 - FBI conducted coordinated armed raids on everyone who signed the complaint. William Binney had agents with rifles burst into his house; one pointed a gun at him as he stepped out of the shower. Security clearances revoked, businesses destroyed, blacklisted from employment.

Thomas Drake got hit with a 10-count Espionage Act indictment in 2010, facing 35 years in prison. Charges eventually dropped days before trial, but his life was already ruined - ended up working at an Apple Store.

The kicker: Federal courts later ruled the NSA programs they complained about actually WERE illegal and likely unconstitutional. They were right - and still got destroyed for it.

Edward Snowden has said seeing what happened to them is why he went public instead of using internal channels.
 
I was curious about this so I looked it up - there's actually a well-documented history of IC whistleblowers who went through proper IG channels and got destroyed for it.
I was referring to UAP "whistleblowers" like Jake Barber, Jason Sands, Matthew Brown, as that is the topic of this thread (see OP "UFO whistleblowers").
 
I'll send it to you in a DM - Claude provided a long list of articles as sources
Tip: A good way to post long nonessential content is to use SPOILER tags. The button for this looks like a crossed-out eye.
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