What does "Off-World" mean to the US Military?

Mick West

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The Pentagon’s U.F.O. Program has been using unclassified slides like this to brief government officials on threats from Advanced Aerospace Vehicles — “including off-world” — and materials retrieved from crashes of unidentified phenomena.Credit...Leslie Kean


When asked about the words "off-world" in the above slide, writer Ralph Blumenthal said:
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Ralph Blumenthal
Contributor, former Times reporter
July 28
@leadingfrombehind Off-world means not of this earth. We and our sources refrain from speculating on other questions beyond that.


But what does "not of this earth" mean? Regardless of the meaning, where does this definition come from? If we search the .gov and .mil domains for usages of the term "off-world" the most common usage seems to be, essentially "not on this Earth".

For example, NASA described a trek by the Mars rover (a human-made vehicle) as an "Off-World Driving Record." NOAA talks about satellite images as being "Returned from off-world." Military documents talk about "a Space Development Agency focused on all matters off-world, from procuring military satellites to defending U.S. spacecraft in orbit from attacks."

The most famous use of the term is in the 1982 dystopia Science Fiction film Bladerunner where giant screens advertise "a new life awaits you on the off-world colonies"
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But here again, off-world simply means off the planet earth, but of human origin.

Why would the military be concerned about unusual off-world craft - it's pretty simple: space warfare. Not war with aliens, but war carried out partially in space, i.e. off-world. The simplest form of this being anti-satellite technology, then space-based weapons, and then actually space-to-space warfare (like one spaceship attacking another). This is obviously something that is very likely to come to pass, and so something the military (now with a space-force) is very interested in.

Of course, we don't know who made that slide, or what they were believe, but the phrase "off-world" does not seem to indicate the military is interested in flying craft from other planets, just flying craft from this planet that operate in space, off-world.
 
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Curt Collins

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The NYT's use of that slide is a bit dishonest. If it was part of an AATIP presentation, it likely came from Robert Bigelow's BAASS or Hal Puthoff, a subcontractor, both proponents of extraterrestrial visitation, spacecraft and more. The fact that this was part of a government briefing makes this interesting. But unless it's proven that it was influential to military policy, it means nothing and proves even less.
 

Mick West

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The fact that this was part of a government briefing makes this interesting. But unless it's proven that it was influential to military policy, it means nothing and proves even less.
Yeah, it's like them presenting Eric W. Davis as some kind of Pentagon official.
 

Mick West

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The slides are absolutely from our good friend Dr. Puthoff. http://www.ufojoe.net/hal-puthoff-transcript-transiitontalks

Here's his discussion of the slide in question

That seems like la belle indifference thinking to me. The military is somehow utterly unconcerned that there are alien spaceships flying around, and are simply worried that the Russians will study them and develop weapons based on them.

That strangeness aside, I think it's probably safe to say that Puthoff did mean aliens when he said "off-world". But Puthoff isn't the military. He's just a part of the tiny UFO-industrial complex.
 

sakurashinken

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That seems like la belle indifference thinking to me. The military is somehow utterly unconcerned that there are alien spaceships flying around, and are simply worried that the Russians will study them and develop weapons based on them.

That strangeness aside, I think it's probably safe to say that Puthoff did mean aliens when he said "off-world". But Puthoff isn't the military. He's just a part of the tiny UFO-industrial complex.

Somebody needs to keep track of all their shenanigans, and thanks for being the only one to really stand up to this stuff Mick. They need their feet held to the fire and held hard because their claims are too profound to be the stuff of media hype and History Channel garbage.

Honestly, though, their story is continuously of this nature, that is, full of contradictions and illogical naratives. Tom says one thing, Elizondo another. It seems like nobody, not even the Senate Intel committee is willing to really dig and find out if this is a fraud. We are also bound to the "Its The Military" mentality, that we think that they wouldn't lie. Well there is no way around it, someone is lying. If it's off-world intelligence, they've lied to us for 70 years already. If it isn't aliens, they are coming darn close to lying now. Even Trump has weighed in on this stuff, as has Podesta, and Hillary Clinton. Is our government that far gone? Or are we about to get disclosure? Those are two extremes that are both concerning, and as the evidence stands, #1 is much much more likely.
 
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Rocky

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Yeah, it's like them presenting Eric W. Davis as some kind of Pentagon official.
I really wish though that the military or government would be more careful when choosing their words in situations like this so as not to get the UFO community up in a tizzy. That only adds to their conspiracy theories. They want disclosure, but if the truth is that the disclosure information is not what they want or expect they wouldn't accept it anyway. They want aliens! :)
 

Rocky

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The NYT's use of that slide is a bit dishonest. If it was part of an AATIP presentation, it likely came from Robert Bigelow's BAASS or Hal Puthoff, a subcontractor, both proponents of extraterrestrial visitation, spacecraft and more. The fact that this was part of a government briefing makes this interesting. But unless it's proven that it was influential to military policy, it means nothing and proves even less.
What do you think causes this type of thinking? This belief in the government is hiding something or that aliens are visiting with no tangible evidence? That is more baffling to me. Robert Bigelow, Hal Puthoff and Eric Davies seem like intelligent people. Do they just have a blinding interest in this subject? To me they all seem borderline crazy.
 

Mick West

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John Greenewald over that The Black Vault has been exploring this issue:
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On The Trail of the AATIP UFO PowerPoint Slide
by JOHN GREENEWALD on AUGUST 5, 2020

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today, in a statement given directly to The Black Vault, the Pentagon denies the use of that slide in any official capacity and says “off world vehicles” do not fit in to the official position of the U.S. government.

“That slide was not used by DoD in any briefing on this subject and does not represent the department’s position,” Pentagon spokesperson Susan Gough said to The Black Vault in an e-mailed statement. “The slide appears to be one used by a subcontractor who had worked under the AAWSAP contract, in briefings by the subcontractor after AATIP ended.”
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Despite the stark differences in claims, Elizondo and the Pentagon do seem to agree on at least one thing. There is no official definition for “Off World Vehicles.” Both parties were asked about official definitions, since in the world of the DOD, most everything has an “official” interpretation, as indicated by the 376-page “DOD Dictionary of Military and Associated Terms.” (Which, for the record, does not include “off world”.) When asked about the official stance of what “off world vehicle technology really meant, Elizondo said, “There is no official definition in the DoD lexicon that I am aware of defining the term ‘off world’.” The Pentagon stated the same, with Gough telling The Black Vault, “’Off-world’ is not an official term or designation in DoD.” At least, it appears all parties agree on that point.
 

jarlrmai

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It seems pretty clear they are sliding aliens into the information gaps caused by default military secrecy in relation to their research into the capabilities of domestic and foreign aircraft and spacecraft. Also because the research is highly speculative very broad terms are in use to cover the array of possible technologies (drones/planes/missiles/balloons.) Further leaving room for aliens to be included as a possibility.

Because the US government is confirming the things they have to confirm but is of course silent on other matters, the alien theories seems to have US government backing by default, unless however you really look into the slight differences in the terms used.
 
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