AARO's Historical UAP Report - Volume 1

[Mick West]

https://www.aaro.mil/Portals/136/PDFs/AARO_Historical_Record_Report_Volume_1_2024.pdf

SECTION II: Executive Summary

AARO found no evidence that any USG investigation, academic-sponsored research,or official review panel has confirmed that any sighting of a UAP represented extraterrestrial technology. All investigative efforts, at all levels of classification, concluded that most sightings were ordinary objects and phenomena and the result of misidentification. Although not the focus of this report, it is worthwhile to note that all official foreign UAP investigatory efforts to date have reached the same general conclusions as USG investigations.

• Although many UAP reports remain unsolved or unidentified, AARO assesses that if more and better quality data were available, most of these cases also could bei dentified and resolved as ordinary objects or phenomena. Sensors and visual observations are imperfect; the vast majority of cases lack actionable data or the dataavailable is limited or of poor quality.
• Resources and staffing for these programs largely have been irregular and sporadic,challenging investigatory efforts and hindering effective knowledge transfer.
• The vast majority of reports almost certainly are the result of misidentification and adirect consequence of the lack of domain awareness; there is a direct correlationbetween the amount and quality of available information on a case with the ability toconclusively resolve it.

AARO found no empirical evidence for claims that the USG and private companieshave been reverse-engineering extraterrestrial technology. AARO determined, based on allinformation provided to date, that claims involving specific people, known locations,technological tests, and documents allegedly involved in or related to the reverse-engineeringof extraterrestrial technology, are inaccurate. Additional claims will be addressed in Volume II. AARO successfully located the USG and industry programs, officials, companies,executives, and documents identified by interviewees. In many cases, the interviewees named authentic USG classified programs well-known and understood to those appropriately accessed to them in the Executive Branch and Legislative Branch; however, the interviewees mistakenly associated these authentic USG programs with alien and extraterrestrial activity. AARO has reached the following, high confidence conclusions related to:

• UAP Nondisclosure Agreements (NDA): AARO has found no evidence of anyauthentic UAP-related NDA or other evidence threatening death or violence fordisclosing UAP information.
• A CIA Official Allegedly Managed UAP Experimentation: The named, former CIA official was not involved in the movement of extraterrestrial technology. The same former CIA officer signed a memo rejecting a claim made by interviewees that he managed the movement of and experimentation on off-world technology.
• Alleged UAP Intelligence Community Document: An alleged 1961 Special National Intelligence Estimate that was “leaked” to online sources and suggests the extraterrestrial nature of “UFOs,” is inauthentic.
• “Aliens” Present During a DoD Technology Test: AARO reviewed informationr elated to an account of an interviewee overhearing a conversation about a technology test at a military base where “aliens” allegedly were observing, and AARO judges that the interviewee misunderstood the conversation.
• Claim That a Military Officer Touched an Off-World Craft: An interviewee claim that a named former military officer explained in detail how he physically touched an extraterrestrial spacecraft is inaccurate. The claim was denied on the record by the named former officer who recounted a story of when he touched anF-117 Nighthawk stealth fighter that could have been misconstrued by the interviewee, though the named former officer does not recall having this conversation with the interviewee.
• Test of Off-World Technology: An interviewee claim that he witnessed what he believed to be the testing of extraterrestrial technology at a USG facility almost certainly was an observation of an authentic, non-UAP-related, technology test that strongly correlated in time, location, and description provided in the interviewee’s account.
• UAP Disclosure Study: Interviewees’ claims that between 2004 and 2007 the WhiteHouse requested a research institute in Virginia study the theoretical societal impacts of disclosing that UAP are extraterrestrial in origin; AARO confirmed the study was conducted, but it was not requested by the White House.
• Named Companies Allegedly Experimenting on Alien Technology: AARO has found no evidence that U.S. companies ever possessed off-world technology. The executives, scientists, and chief technology officers of the companies named by interviewees met with the Director of AARO and denied on the record that they have ever recovered, possessed, or engaged in reverse-engineering of extraterrestrial technology.
• Experimentation on Alleged Extraterrestrial Spacecraft Sample: AARO has concluded that a sample from an alleged crashed off-world spacecraft that AARO acquired from a private UAP investigating organization and the U.S. Army is a manufactured, terrestrial alloy and does not represent off-world technology or possess any exceptional qualities. The sample is primarily composed of magnesium, zinc, and bismuth with some other trace elements, such as lead. This assessment was based on its materials characterization.

AARO assesses that all of the named and described alleged hidden UAP reverse engineering programs provided by interviewees either do not exist; are misidentified authentic,highly sensitive national security programs that are not related to extraterrestrial technology exploitation; or resolve to an unwarranted and disestablished program. AARO created a secure process in partnership with the highest-level security officials within the DoD, IC, and other organizations to research and investigate these programs; AARO was granted full,unrestricted access by all organizations. It is important to note that none of the interviewees had firsthand knowledge of these programs—they were not approved for access to nor did they work on these efforts—which likely resulted in misinterpretation of the programs’ origins and purpose.

• The interviewees and others who have mistakenly associated authentic sensitivenational security programs with UAP had incomplete or unauthorized access tothese programs; discussion of these programs outside of secure facilities presents ahigh risk of exposing national security information.
• One named program was a UAP-related Prospective Special Access Program (PSAP)called KONA BLUE that was proposed to the Department of Homeland Security(DHS) and supported by individuals who believed the USG was hiding off-worldtechnology. The program was never approved by DHS and its supporters neverprovided empirical evidence to support their claims.
• In 2021, without sufficient justification, the scope of an IC Controlled AccessProgram was expanded to protect UAP reverse-engineering. This program never recovered or reverse-engineered any UAP or extraterrestrial spacecraft. This IC program was disestablished due to its lack of merit.

AARO assesses that the inaccurate claim that the USG is reverse-engineering extraterrestrial technology and is hiding it from Congress is, in large part, the result of circular reporting from a group of individuals who believe this to be the case, despite the lack of any evidence. AARO notes that although claims that the USG has recovered and hidden spacecraft date back to the 1940s and 1950s, more modern instances of these claims largely stem from a consistent group of individuals who have been involved in various UAP-related endeavors since at least 2009.

• Many of these individuals were involved in or supportive of a cancelled DIA programand the subsequent but failed attempt to reestablish this program under DHS, calledKONA BLUE.

AARO assesses that UAP sightings and reports of these sightings to USG organizationsand claims that some UAP constitute extraterrestrial craft and that the USG has secured andis experimenting on extraterrestrial technology have been influenced by a range of cultural,political, and technological factors. AARO bases this conclusion on the following factors:10• The aggregate findings of all USG investigations to date have not found even onecase of UAP representing off-world technology.

• None of the programs mentioned by interviewees are UAP reverse-engineeringprograms, and all the authentic programs have been properly notified and reported toCongress through the congressional defense and/or intelligence committees.
• AARO has no evidence for the USG reverse-engineering narrative provided byinterviewees and has been able to disprove the majority of the interviewees’ claims.Some claims are still under evaluation.
• AARO determined that a piece of metal alleged to be recovered from an off-worldspacecraft is ordinary, of terrestrial origin, and possesses no exceptional qualities.

Several factors—domestic and international—most likely influenced sightings, reports,and the belief by some individuals that there is sufficient proof that some UAP represent extraterrestrial technology. AARO’s examination of the historical context of UAP investigations from 1945 to the present reveals that these factors—some common to and distinct between the earlier era of UAP investigations (pre-2009) and the modern era (post-2009)—undoubtedly influenced the direction of these investigations, the volume of and spikes in sightings, and the overall public interest, concern, and debate. These periods are divided into pre- and post-2009 timeframe because this is the year of the standup of the Advanced Aerospace Weapons System Application Program (AAWSAP) and Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) efforts. Prior to AAWSAP/AATIP there was about a 40 year gap in UAP investigation programs since the termination of Project BLUE BOOK in 1969.

• Common contextual factors between earlier and modern investigations include a rapidly evolving and dynamic national security environment, concern about technological surprise, intense secrecy related to government military programs,public interest in UAP, perceived bureaucratic barriers, and the persistent lack of quality data.
• Some contextual factors that were distinct between earlier and modern investigations include: differences in the level of public trust in the government; the large volume of popular culture content related to UAP; the perception within some segments of the population that the USG is hiding extraterrestrial technology; unauthorized disclosures of classified programs mistaken for UAP observations; the proliferation ofonline sources that reinforce these beliefs; the impact that social media has had oncircular reporting; and the rapid spread of misinformation.

AARO assesses that some portion of sightings since the 1940s have represented misidentification of never-before-seen experimental and operational space, rocket, and airsystems, including stealth technologies and the proliferation of drone platforms. From the1940s to the 1960s especially, the United States witnessed a boom in experimental technologies driven by World War II and the Cold War.11

• Many of these technologies fit the description of a stereotypical Unidentified Flying Object (UFO). It is understandable how observers unfamiliar with these programs could mistake sightings of these new technologies as something extraordinary, evenother-worldly.
• Along with these conventional technology research areas, the USG started theManhattan Project in 1942. This program operated in secrecy and led to the establishment of several “secret cities” across the United States to support the development of the nuclear bomb. Any misunderstanding stemming from the intense secrecy surrounding this and similar programs could have been misconstrued for other efforts.

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[NorCal Dave]

Off to Sacramento for the day, but I did skip to the interesting parts starting on pg. 28. It seems mostly what Kirkpatrick claimed in his op-ed and interviews. Most of it is hearsay and/or confabulations. Unfortunately, as he noted already, there are no names, so we have to read between the lines a bit. Some are easy, here is a section on "meta-materials" that is clearly referencing Art's Parts and TTSA:

Sample of Alleged Alien Spacecraft is an Ordinary, Terrestrial, Metal Alloy AARO learned through an interviewee that a private sector organization109 claimed to have in its possession material from an extraterrestrial craft recovered from a crash at an unknown location from the 1940s or 1950s.

The organization claimed that the material had the potential to act as a THz frequency waveguide, and therefore, could exhibit “anti-gravity” and “mass reduction” properties under the appropriate conditions. The organization that owned the material negotiated an agreement in 2019 with the U.S. Army to analyze the samples.

With permission from the stakeholders, AARO acquired this sample to conduct more in-depthanalyses.33• AARO and a leading science laboratory concluded that the material is a metallic alloy, terrestrial in nature, and possibly of USAF origin, based on its materials characterization. It was also assessed that the material is mostly composed of magnesium, and the bismuth present was not a pure layer per initial claims.•

The U.S. Army had also conducted in-house analysis on the sample, and while AARO generally agrees with its conclusions, AARO found that the structure was not purely layered magnesium alloy and bismuth.

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pg. 32-33

Interesting here that the while AARO found the bismuth-magnesium was not as pure as was often claimed, they contend it might have actually been from the USAF. It's often been argued that this alloy might be a bit of industrial waste from lead smelting.

Looking forward to see what others find.

 

[deirdre]

while i fully support any needed data collection and analysis of drones or enemy aircraft in our space, i cant believe the US Government is wasting money on this "extraterrestrial" nonsense. smh.

 

[NorCal Dave]

Ok, a few more tid-bits. As many of us thought and Kirkpatrick hinted at AASWAP played a part in more recent UAP secret program flaps. Here is an example, where after DIA shut down AASWAP, Lacaski,(not named) shopped it around to the DHS under a new name, Kona Blue. Nothing ever became of it, however somebody heard about it and told AARO it was a secret program to recover UAPs.

So, the same people that were involved in AASWAP and believed that the government HAD UAPs tried to set up Kona Blue to get control of the UAPs. Kona Blue was never stood up so there was no government oversite. The government can't have oversite to something that does not exist.

When Kona Blue then failed, some of these same people told AARO that Kona Blue was a program to collect UAPs and was beyond government oversite! (bold in the original)

KONA BLUE: A Proposed UAP Recovery and Reverse-Engineering Program

KONA BLUE was brought to AARO’s attention by interviewees who claimed that it was a sensitive DHS compartment to cover up the retrieval and exploitation of “non-human biologics.”114 KONA BLUE traces its origins to the DIA-managed AAWSAP/AATIP program, which was funded through a special appropriation and executed by its primary contractor, a private sector organization. DIA cancelled the program in 2012 due to lack of merit and the utility of the deliverables.

As discussed in Section IV of this report, while the official purpose of AAWSAP/AATIP was to conduct research into 12 areas of cutting edge science, the contractor team, and at least one supportive government program manager, also conducted UAP and paranormal research at a property owned by the private sector organization.When DIA cancelled this program, its supporters proposed to DHS that they create and fund a new version of AAWSAP/AATIP under a SAP.115 This proposal, codenamed KONA BLUE, would restart UAP investigations, paranormal research (including alleged “human consciousness anomalies”) and reverse-engineer any recovered off-world spacecraft that they hoped to acquire.

This proposal gained some initial traction at DHS to the point where a 35Prospective Special Access Program (PSAP) was officially requested to stand up this program, but it was eventually rejected by DHS leadership for lacking merit. As demonstrated by the proposal package and by statements from the originator, Senators Lieberman and Reid asked that the PSAP be established with the promise of additional funding.116

The proposed KONA BLUE lines of effort closely mirrored those conducted by the private sector organization for AAWSAP/AATIP.KONA BLUE’s advocates were convinced that the USG was hiding UAP technologies. They believed that creating this program under DHS would allow all of the technology and knowledge of these alleged programs to be moved under the KONA BLUE program. The program would provide a security and governing structure where it could be monitored properly by congressional oversight committees. This belief was foundational for the KONA BLUE proposal, based on the proposal documents and several interviewees who have provided the same information to AARO and Congress.117

The Oral History Initiative section of the KONA BLUE proposal was to collect data:“…from an already identified and calibrated list of retired, previously highly placed government, armed services, contractor and intelligence community individuals. The oral history project will include gathering all information pertaining to the location of advanced aerospace technology and biological samples, including records, files, reports, photographs, as well as physical samples.”118

It is critical to note that no extraterrestrial craft or bodies were ever collected—this material was only assumed to exist by KONA BLUE advocates and its anticipated contract performers. This was the same assumption made by those same individuals involved with the AAWSAP/AATIP program. The SAP was never approved or stood up, and no data or material was transferred to DHS.119•

KONA BLUE was not reported to Congress at that time because it was never established as a SAP and, therefore, did not meet the threshold for congressional reporting. However, the Deputy Secretary of Defense provided a Congressional Notification concerning the program when it was identified in the spirit of transparency.

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Pg. 34-35

EDIT: @deirdre pointed out, that in my haste I forgot to add the page number for the above quote. I didn't link the source as the source is literally the OP. I assume if we're putting a page number, it's all referencing the AARO report in the OP.

 

[Ann K]

"AARO assesses that the inaccurate claim that the USG is reverse-engineering extraterrestrial technology and is hiding it from Congress is, in large part, the result of circular reporting from a group of individuals who believe this to be the case, despite the lack of any evidence."

That's pretty much what we've been seeing, the same old names that pop up again and again, from the Skinwalker Ranch to the halls of Congress.

 

[Ann K]

while i fully support any needed data collection and analysis of drones or enemy aircraft in our space, i cant believe the US Government is wasting money on this "extraterrestrial" nonsense. smh.

First you've got to "waste" the money determining which is which. Then it's other people, for whatever agendas of their own, all hair-on-fire, claiming "See, you can't identify this so it's the aliens!"

 

[deirdre]

First you've got to "waste" the money determining which is which.

A large part of the OP is about interviewing a bunch of gov agencies and private company personnel to determine if any of them are working on extraterrestrial space craft. That's what i meant with my first line about supporting the analyzing of blobs in the sky they want to identify. Sorry if i wasn't clear in my wording.

 

[Mendel]

None of the programs mentioned by interviewees are UAP reverse-engineering programs, and all the authentic programs have been properly notified and reported to Congress through the congressional defense and/or intelligence committees.

That thoroughly rejects Grusch's main claim.

 

[2pint]

That thoroughly rejects Grusch's main claim.

Have they provided the names of the authentic programs that Grusch has confused with ET retrieval? Or are they all classified?

 

[Ben Harris]

Hey, Mick.
The link at the top goes to a 404 error.

 

[Tezcatlipoca]

Interesting to see that this has added further corroboration to my point that some individuals, even dating back further than the 2017 article, have attempted to wage an actual malign influence campaign inside our government, abusing access to misleadingly make use of government funding, including up to using government money to pay private institutions in an explicit attempt to influence public opinion.

I'm really curious about the IC program they managed to get UAP language put into that was then quickly taken out. That's, quite an issue.

 

[Skalman]

I feel sorry for Grusch, cause judging by the report, my tentative conclusion is that it was likely the Invisible College that tricked him into believing KONA BLUE was a real retrieval program while it in actuality was their own proposal that the USG didn't want (not surprising since they wasted most of the AASWAP money on Skinwalker Ranch).

It amazes me that anyone would have the audacity after the extremely embarassing AASWAP to go to the DIA and suggest a revival of the Stargate Project combined with a reverse-engineering and retrieval mission of alien spaceships they were sure the government and defense contractors had hidden away somewhere.

 

[deirdre]

Hey, Mick.
The link at the top goes to a 404 error.

it works for me..but here it is on the Wayback Machine archived
https://web.archive.org/web/2024030...olume_1_2024.pdf?ver=hqUUJmBEFELwdKX1QqF5XQ==

 

[tobigtofool]

So they offer any examples? Or is this just a bunch of hearsay?

 

[Ben Harris]

it works for me..but here it is on the Wayback Machine archived
https://web.archive.org/web/20240308172512/https://www.aaro.mil/Portals/136/PDFs/AARO_Historical_Record_Report_Volume_1_2024.pdf?ver=hqUUJmBEFELwdKX1QqF5XQ==

Thank you.

 

[Mendel]

Hey, Mick.
The link at the top goes to a 404 error.

https://www.aaro.mil/Portals/136/PDFs/AARO_Historical_Record_Report_Volume_1_2024.pdf should work for the current version.
If it doesn't, your Internet adress may be access restricted by that server.

 

[Calter]

AARO will publish Volume II in accordance with the date established in Section 6802 of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2023 (FY23); Volume II will provide analysis of information acquired by AARO after the date of the publication of Volume I.

Is this date or an approximation of it public in some way? The way I understand Section 6802 is kinda like a statement that says "The requirements have been modified"

Sec. 6802. Modification of requirement for office to address unidentified anomalous phenomena.

https://www.intelligence.senate.gov...-year-2023-division-f-james-m-inhofe-national

 

[Narfi]

One section that stands out to me is the summary of Section VI on page 33.

AARO investigated numerous named, and described, but unnamed programs alleged to involve UAP exploitation conveyed to AARO through official interviews. Although at least one interviewee claimed to have seen a captured UAP, none of the interviewees had direct access to or firsthand knowledge of the programs alleged to be UAP-related. One interviewee had access into one authentic program, but his position was such that he had only limited access to its complete details. Interviewees’ indirect and incomplete knowledge of authentic efforts most likely contributed to their misinterpretation of what they heard or saw.

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So not a single whistleblower claiming to be directly involved in "The Program." I know some of the UFO talking heads have been hinting at more whistleblowers coming forward publicly, but it seems unlikely they will have stories much more beyond seeing or overhearing something unusual they didn't understand.

 

[Harabeck]

I'm constantly seeing claims from UFO believers along the lines of, "Of course AARO didn't find anything, they don't have title 50 clearance". Metabunk user Martinicus1 brought it up in this thread:

Tim McMillan recently tweeted (attached) about the security clearance of AARO - Title 10 authorities whereas as UAPTF had title 50. This was also referenced during the April Congress briefing, in a discussion with Kirkpatrick and Senator Gillibrand, alluding to the fact that Title 10 was inadequate. The wording in the press release is interesting as it does not mention evidence, rather “discovered any verifiable information to substantiate”.

but I'm not sure I've ever seen a satisfactory rebuttal.

Is "title 50 clearance" a thing AARO needs?

If so, are they lacking it?

Rosen: Quickly do you have the authorities you need to extend your collection posture between agencies or or branches of the military? Because that seems to me to maybe be a sticking point...

...

Kirkpatrick: There are some authorities that we need we currently are operating under title 10 authorities, but we have you know good relationships across the other agencies, but having additional authorities for collection tasking counterintelligence that's something those are all things that would be helpful yes.

...

Gillibrand: Thank you, to follow up Dr Kirkpatrick, will you help us write that language so we can put it in the defense bill this year so that we know what authorities you need?

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[tobigtofool]

Seems to me this report is 100% made up nonsense and they offer not a single shred of evidence to support their claims.

It's just a he said she said report.

I will say that this report corroborates everything Ive said on these boards about all the sightings being military tests. How much that statement has offended people here I'll never understand, but glad to know I was right.

 

[Calter]

Seems to me this report is 100% made up nonsense and they offer not a single shred of evidence to support their claims.

If they cant come out and show us what they were doing in phoenix, or off the coast of SD, then they are lying, it's absolutely absurd to suggest that they have to keep any of that secret.

If they had shown some examples the argument would simply be "Oh, but they didn't show this example, clearly they just picked the one thing that wasn't actually aliens and used it to cover up the aliens".

The validity of this report is 100% dependent on your trust of the government, if you think the government has secret programs that reverse engineer alien tech then there aren't many reasons to believe a report that denies that statement. If you trust the government probably didn't have these things then there aren't many reasons not to believe a report that denies that statement.

This report was never going to definitely prove that there isn't a giant conspiracy, it just serves to something to point out to people so that they get an idea on what the government thinks about the conspiracies.

If this truly is just "made up nonsense" then with time UFOlogists might release their insane footage that they for sure have and it will all be obvious, or the witnesses might rise up after AARO claimed they were all mistaken. Time will tell.

 

[tobigtofool]

If they had shown some examples the argument would simply be "Oh, but they didn't show this example, clearly they just picked the one thing that wasn't actually aliens and used it to cover up the aliens".

That doesnt track, they gave multiple "he said she said" examples, not one "confirmable" one.

The validity of this report is 100% dependent on your trust of the government.

Yes, which is why it's useless nonsense.

This report was never going to definitely prove that there isn't a giant conspiracy, it just serves to something to point out to people so that they get an idea on what the government thinks about the conspiracies.

So it's just a propaganda puff piece?

If this truly is just "made up nonsense" then with time UFOlogists might release their insane footage that they for sure have and it will all be obvious, or the witnesses might rise up after AARO claimed they were all mistaken. Time will tell.

They have: phoenix lights, san Diego, tic tac UFO's there's countless examples I could give that are not national security to keep secret.

There is nothing that they could have been doing in phoenix that needs to be kept secret, unless they were endangering the people of phoenix.

 

[deirdre]

Is this date or an approximation of it public in some way? The way I understand Section 6802 is kinda like a statement that says "The requirements have been modified"


https://www.intelligence.senate.gov...-year-2023-division-f-james-m-inhofe-national

the dates (or approximations) are in section (j).

i'm reading it as "annually"... so approximately next year?

``(A) Requirement.--Not later than 180 days after the date
of the enactment of the Intelligence Authorization Act for
Fiscal Year 2023, and annually thereafter for four years, the
Director of National Intelligence and the Secretary of Defense
shall jointly submit to the appropriate congressional
committees a report on unidentified anomalous phenomena.

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fyi fiscal years are odd in the US, like that doesnt mean january to january..

Article:

Fiscal year 2024 runs Oct. 1, 2023, through Sept. 30, 2024.

Source: https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3688740/dod-continues-work-with-congress-to-get-appropriation/

 

[deirdre]

Seems to me this report is 100% made up nonsense and they offer not a single shred of evidence to support their claims.

It's just a he said she said report.

you read it?

 

[Ann K]

Seems to me this report is 100% made up nonsense and they offer not a single shred of evidence to support their claims.

You've got the burden of proof entirely backwards. They're only saying "We don't have any evidence for the claim". It isn't possible to "prove" a negative. It's up to the people who claim extraterrestrials / alien craft / extra dimensional beings, etc, to provide the evidence that such things exist, and so far that has not happened. Never.

 

[2pint]

If they had shown some examples the argument would simply be "Oh, but they didn't show this example, clearly they just picked the one thing that wasn't actually aliens and used it to cover up the aliens".

The validity of this report is 100% dependent on your trust of the government, if you think the government has secret programs that reverse engineer alien tech then there aren't many reasons to believe a report that denies that statement. If you trust the government probably didn't have these things then there aren't many reasons not to believe a report that denies that statement.

This report was never going to definitely prove that there isn't a giant conspiracy, it just serves to something to point out to people so that they get an idea on what the government thinks about the conspiracies.

If this truly is just "made up nonsense" then with time UFOlogists might release their insane footage that they for sure have and it will all be obvious, or the witnesses might rise up after AARO claimed they were all mistaken. Time will tell.

So you’re saying anyone’s conclusion depends entirely on their bias? Kinda makes the whole thing a bit pointless, no?

I’m still to see any evidence for any of the claims made in the report, same as I’m yet to see any evidence of the claims made by Grusch and the gang. I’m hoping volume 2 will provide some insight into the actual process of the scientific methods used to deduce the conclusions stated.

I just want the subject put to bed either way and unfortunately this report hasn’t actually provided ANY new evidence to do so.

 

[Ann K]

I’m still to see any evidence for any of the claims made in the report, same as I’m yet to see any evidence of the claims made by Grusch and the gang.

The "claims" made in the report, again and again, consist of "AARO has seen no evidence...". How can someone give evidence of having seen no evidence? That doesn't make any sense.

 

[Calter]

So you’re saying anyone’s conclusion depends entirely on their bias? Kinda makes the whole thing a bit pointless, no?

I think this report is somewhat pointless to the people that are already talking about the subject. People that didn't believe in aliens can't really point at it to show people aliens aren't here, and people that believe in aliens won't believe a report made by the organization that is meant to be hiding them.

This report is however more useful to the people that aren't familiar with the whole thing but have heard that "there are whistleblowers that know stuff" and what not. Before you had the narrative of "Grusch and many others swore under oath that there were non-human biologics" and there wasn't really a lot of official information to know what might be happening instead.

So it's just a propaganda puff piece?

It's a propaganda puff piece if you believe there is a big conspiracy and AARO is just a puppet, it's not a propaganda puff piece if you believe AARO is a legitimate government office operating under good faith. It's surprisingly easy to say things are propaganda puff pieces when you claim anyone that doesn't agree with you is just a part of a greater organization trying to silence you.

I just want the subject put to bed either way and unfortunately this report hasn’t actually provided ANY new evidence to do so.

I don't think that's something that will happen within this century. It would take actual aliens visiting us and saying they just got here, and even then I'm not confident they would completely stop.

 

[Mendel]

Seems to me this report is 100% made up nonsense and they offer not a single shred of evidence to support their claims.

It's just a he said she said report.

These words accurately describe the claims of the UFO disclosure people. The fact that there is no evidence in the AARO report relates directly to these people not having actual knowledge of UFO programs.

Did you expect the report to provide a list of descriptions of top secret DoD programs that are not UAP-related? Why?

What evidence did you expect, given that the USG has neither UFOs nor UFO programs?

 

[Mendel]

This report is however more useful to the people that aren't familiar with the whole thing but have heard that "there are whistleblowers that know stuff" and what not. Before you had the narrative of "Grusch and many others swore under oath that there were non-human biologics" and there wasn't really a lot of official information to know what might be happening instead.

These are findings that the Congress commissioned and that Congress can act on.

 

[tobigtofool]

These words accurately describe the claims of the UFO disclosure people. The fact that there is no evidence in the AARO report relates directly to these people not having actual knowledge of UFO programs.

Did you expect the report to provide a list of descriptions of top secret DoD programs that are not UAP-related? Why?

Because there is no reason to do the report at all otherwise.

Whistleblower: "they're lying to us"

The liars: "no were not!"

Skeptics: "Ahh see the goverment never lies!"

What evidence did you expect, given that the USG has neither UFOs nor UFO programs?

Literally show us what the flares were in phoenix. Anyone who says that is a matter of national security is a lair.

 

[NorCal Dave]

I will say that this report corroborates everything Ive said on these boards about all the sightings being military tests. How much that statement has offended people here I'll never understand, but glad to know I was right.

You are hardly a lone voice in the wilderness with this observation. Note, the report contends that SOME sightings can be explained by newer or secret (at the time) technologies:

We assess that the majority of UAP sightings in the earlier decades of UAP investigations were the result of misidentification of ordinary phenomena and objects, based on AARO’s findings of its own cases to date and the findings of all past investigatory efforts.

However, we assess that some portion of these misidentifications almost certainly were a result of the surge in new technologies that observers would have understandably reported as UFOs. Along with these systems, a broad and varying technology industry emerged along with a network of highly secretive national laboratories across the United States to support these efforts.

AARO’s review of Project BLUE BOOK cases shows a spike in reported UAP sightings from 1952-1957 and another spike in 1960.130 These reporting spikes most likely are attributed to observers unknowingly having witnessed new technological advancements and testing and reporting them as UFOs.

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pg. 39

Not ALL as you seem to suggest. That some sightings may be based on secret or advanced US technology is something most of us here would readily acknowledge. The idea that some people here were "offended" by your suggestion seems a bit of a Strawman. I did an entire thread on the likely unsubstantiated claim that the CIA's secret spy planes accounted for over 50% or UFO sightings in the latter 1/2 of the 20th century. That was after you quoted an NYT article containing the claim:

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/cl...o-reports-in-the-50s-and-60s-in-the-us.13063/

Whistleblower: "they're lying to us"

The liars: "no were not!"

Again, as others have pointed out, you seem to be asking for a negative to be proven. Grusch and the rest of the "Whistleblowers" are saying "The US government has crashed UFOs and aliens". They provide no evidence for this. You seem to contend that if the government can't counter this lack of evidence with evidence about the lack of evidence, they're liars. I'm not sure what you want.

I will agree that keeping all these supposed "whistleblowers" anonymous defiantly creates an unfortunate "he said/he said" situation. I think that's just a function of government where people making claims are kept secret for fear of reprisals. I do think the raw interviews should be released so we can see what the actual claims were.

While we may never get the actual names of the interviewees, the report does provide us with some idea who's making these claims:

AARO researched and interviewed numerous people, programs, and leads. It has determined that modern allegations that the USG is hiding off-world technology and beings largely originate from the same group of individuals who have ties to the cancelled AAWSAP/AATIP program and a private sector organization’s paranormal research efforts.

These individuals have worked with each other consistently in various UAP-related efforts.

• Persons 1-5 and Interviewees 1, 3, 9, 12, 13, and 14 have repeatedly voiced these claims in various public and private venues, and they have petitioned Congress in various capacities on UAP issues. They have not provided any empirical evidence of their claims to AARO.120

• Persons 1 and 3 and Interviewees 1, 3, and 12 were involved with the paranormal research conducted under AAWSAP/AATIP.121

• Person 5 and Interviewees 3, 9 and 14 were involved with the alleged crashed UAP materials that were provided to the U.S. Army and subsequently to AARO forexamination.122

• Persons 4, 7, and 8 and Interviewees 1, 3, and 13 investigated UAP on their own and were responsible for successfully expanding the remit of an existing IC program to include UAP exploitation language.123

• AARO notes that Persons 1 and 4 never formally sat down with AARO to provide official, signed statements; these individuals have been mentioned by other interviewees frequently as sources of their claims. Person 8 held an informal interview and Interviewee 14 sat for an official interview but has not signed the memo for the record documenting this interview.

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pg. 36

We can go through these and get a pretty good idea who is making the claims.

 

[Calter]

Whistleblower: "they're lying to us"

The liars: "no were not!"

Skeptics: "Ahh see the goverment never lies!"

An alternative interpretation is

Whistleblower: "Hey congress, we think there's secret UFO programs"

Congress: "Hey AARO, could you check this out and gives a report?"

AARO: "I asked around and it doesn't look like there's secret UFO programs"

If they are lying then the witnesses just need to speak out and say that AARO is lying or misrepresenting them.

Literally show us what the flares were in phoenix.

Has Phoenix lights been pushed by any whistleblower as this beacon of proof? Why would AARO just bring up a nearly 30 year old event when doing a report on the claims of secret government programs?

 

[deirdre]

So you’re saying anyone’s conclusion depends entirely on their bias? Kinda makes the whole thing a bit pointless, no?

I’m still to see any evidence for any of the claims made in the report, same as I’m yet to see any evidence of the claims made by Grusch and the gang. I’m hoping volume 2 will provide some insight into the actual process of the scientific methods used to deduce the conclusions stated.

I just want the subject put to bed either way and unfortunately this report hasn’t actually provided ANY new evidence to do so.

but the report does go to congress. and congressional people have clearance to see some of the classified stuff. My self, i'm assuming, the congress people with classified approval would check a few of the things out that we the public cant see.

the only reason we even have this report is because enough people in congress wanted the investigation. i kinda doubt they would just take a public write up and be like "oh ok". I'm thinking time will give us more info on that aspect.

 

[Ann K]

Literally show us what the flares were in phoenix. Anyone who says that is a matter of national security is a lair.

They were flares. They "disappeared" as they went behind the mountains. That has been shown again and again, and there is nothing mysterious about military planes dropping flares.

 

[Ann K]

Whistleblower: "they're lying to us"

The liars: "no were not!"

You are missing the elephant in the room, which is the possibility that the whistleblowers were either the liars, or to give them the benefit of the doubt, were just plain mistaken or wrong in their assertions. You've chosen which one to believe with pretty much the same expected accuracy of sticking a pin in a paper at random. Don't do that, please. If you're going to call the agency liars, you really should have some evidence to back that up, and I've seen none of that.

 

[2pint]

The "claims" made in the report, again and again, consist of "AARO has seen no evidence...". How can someone give evidence of having seen no evidence? That doesn't make any sense.

Thats not what im referring to. I haven't been up long and am now heading out so will reply with a list of the claims i'm talking about when I get back. Just a quick one before I do head though -

• Test of Off-World Technology: An interviewee claim that he witnessed what he believed to be the testing of extraterrestrial technology at a USG facility almost certainly was an observation of an authentic, non-UAP-related, technology test that strongly correlated in time, location, and description provided in the interviewee’s account.

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I would like them to have detailed the original report from the interviewee. Would be nice to know what characteristics they stated the observed so we can compare it with we do know exists. If the description matches the authentic non-UAP technology it would be great to know what that description was.

 

[Mendel]

We can go through these and get a pretty good idea who is making the claims.

If you could do that, that'd be awesome.

 

[Mendel]

I would like them to have detailed the original report from the interviewee. Would be nice to know what characteristics they stated the observed so we can compare it with we do know exists. If the description matches the authentic non-UAP technology it would be great to know what that description was.

That assumes the "owners" of that technology consent to having it declassified.

 

[Stryer]

Seems to me this report is 100% made up nonsense and they offer not a single shred of evidence to support their claims.

It's just a he said she said report.

I will say that this report corroborates everything Ive said on these boards about all the sightings being military tests. How much that statement has offended people here I'll never understand, but glad to know I was right.

I'm not a fan of the alien hypothesis. My idea is that there are secret black projects hidden from Congress.

That said. You're right. We have a situation where members of the house intelligence committees are saying one thing and this report is saying the opposite.

It makes no mention of methodology or shows scientific data whatsoever.

Some of the people laughing at your post are as steeped in dogma as alien theorists.