Andrewa
New Member
Hi Everyone,
Just joined, heard about this community via way of the UAP/UFO community, thought the concept sounded interesting.
Im from New Zealand
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Just joined, heard about this community via way of the UAP/UFO community, thought the concept sounded interesting.
Im from New Zealand
Martin Kilt
New Member
Hi Everyone
I've forgot to write here
I've always been an advocate for the scientific approach and therefor also sceptic of bold claims without any evidence.
Professionally I've been a Software engineer for 25+ years
I've forgot to write here
I've always been an advocate for the scientific approach and therefor also sceptic of bold claims without any evidence.
Professionally I've been a Software engineer for 25+ years
TabbyCat90
New Member
Hello,
I found this forum through the UFO subreddit. I'm here because I can no longer tolerate that subreddit. This place feels like a breath of fresh air in comparison.
I started browsing the subreddit about ten years ago. Back then it was mostly users sharing personal UFO-related stories and discussing historical cases like Roswell. I maintained a neutral perspective on the phenomenon. Whether UFOs or aliens exist or not, I enjoyed reading others' stories and speculating. The subreddit's main value was the organic discussions and open-minded pondering.
After 2017, however, the subreddit began to change. The subscriber count grew, and the overall discussion quality declined. Users now often behave like religious zealots, accepting videos and "facts" shared by certain well-known individuals at face value. They write incredibly snarky and aggressive responses to more skeptical users who are often simply advocating for basic fact-checking and source evaluation. The subreddit now feels like a playground for bad-faith actors trying to grab the attention (and money) of gullible users.
(Another oddity is the repetition of certain words and phrases. I've lost count of how many times I've seen the word "Jellyfish." I suspect some manipulation is occurring, perhaps through bots or paid accounts used to insert narratives and steer the discussion. I have no concrete evidence, but it feels fake and inorganic.)
Sometimes I think about the future of that subreddit and modern ufology in general. I see two possibilities: either nothing happens, or the entire scene collapses after one of these grifters makes a mistake too big to ignore. A shake-up is needed, but I doubt it will happen.
I'll end with this quote:
"The dynamic appears very similar to Umberto Eco's bestselling novel Foucault's Pendulum, which describes the paranoia and intrigue surrounding what turns out to be a remnant of an ancient laundry list. I only half-jokingly refer to that book as perhaps the best ethnography of U.S. ufology."
— George P. Hansen, The Trickster and the Paranormal (p. 246)
I found this forum through the UFO subreddit. I'm here because I can no longer tolerate that subreddit. This place feels like a breath of fresh air in comparison.
I started browsing the subreddit about ten years ago. Back then it was mostly users sharing personal UFO-related stories and discussing historical cases like Roswell. I maintained a neutral perspective on the phenomenon. Whether UFOs or aliens exist or not, I enjoyed reading others' stories and speculating. The subreddit's main value was the organic discussions and open-minded pondering.
After 2017, however, the subreddit began to change. The subscriber count grew, and the overall discussion quality declined. Users now often behave like religious zealots, accepting videos and "facts" shared by certain well-known individuals at face value. They write incredibly snarky and aggressive responses to more skeptical users who are often simply advocating for basic fact-checking and source evaluation. The subreddit now feels like a playground for bad-faith actors trying to grab the attention (and money) of gullible users.
(Another oddity is the repetition of certain words and phrases. I've lost count of how many times I've seen the word "Jellyfish." I suspect some manipulation is occurring, perhaps through bots or paid accounts used to insert narratives and steer the discussion. I have no concrete evidence, but it feels fake and inorganic.)
Sometimes I think about the future of that subreddit and modern ufology in general. I see two possibilities: either nothing happens, or the entire scene collapses after one of these grifters makes a mistake too big to ignore. A shake-up is needed, but I doubt it will happen.
I'll end with this quote:
"The dynamic appears very similar to Umberto Eco's bestselling novel Foucault's Pendulum, which describes the paranoia and intrigue surrounding what turns out to be a remnant of an ancient laundry list. I only half-jokingly refer to that book as perhaps the best ethnography of U.S. ufology."
— George P. Hansen, The Trickster and the Paranormal (p. 246)
NorCal Dave
Senior Member.
One of my favorite conspiracy book, as noted in the "What books are your reading" thread. It took me a couple of starts back in my 20's to get going with it as I lacked the basic historical background. In a roundabout way it led me here.
Like Maussan's photo of a Roswell alien mummy that was really the remains of an indigenous child! Oh wait, the UFO crowd is still going strong. Never mind.
And Welcome!
Aloha!
Whelp, I managed to mess up my first post. Please fix the unnecessary quotes unc...I mean Mick.
So, I am the same guy from that other place. Probably won't be as active as I was. You guys have developed an impressive knowledge base, it's going to take some catching up before I feel like I can even ask a reasonable question much less provide a contribution.
Mendel
Senior Member.
Welcome!
We happily entertain any genuine question, reasonable or not; if you can't find a thread where it fits (don't be afraid to revive older topics!), use the Chitchat subforum, where it's also out of the public eye.
Please don't feel pressured to do either; while it's always welcome, it's really not required.
We happily entertain any genuine question, reasonable or not; if you can't find a thread where it fits (don't be afraid to revive older topics!), use the Chitchat subforum, where it's also out of the public eye.
Hi everyone,
UK based, long term mystery enjoyer with a skeptic approach.
Stories of aliens and UFO's caught my interest as a child, and I still keep a passive interest decades later.
I've a keen interest in psychology, and am also interested in the subject from a behavioural point of view, with regards to people with entrenched beliefs
Pop in occasionally to read the forums, but had my own content to the post from the week just passed.
Look forward to engaging with responses.
Thanks!
UK based, long term mystery enjoyer with a skeptic approach.
Stories of aliens and UFO's caught my interest as a child, and I still keep a passive interest decades later.
I've a keen interest in psychology, and am also interested in the subject from a behavioural point of view, with regards to people with entrenched beliefs
Pop in occasionally to read the forums, but had my own content to the post from the week just passed.
Look forward to engaging with responses.
Thanks!
boguesuser
New Member
I'm coming from reddit as r/UFOs is rather uninhabitable at the moment.
Its normal sometimes I swear.
Its normal sometimes I swear.
Minus0
Active Member
Hello there. Been a big fan of Mick West's content on YouTube for many years and decided to sign up since I wanted to add some thoughts to the Bullhead city post. Currently have some time on my hands and was hoping to also learn a bit more about some of the programs people use for debunking. Just simple 3-D modelling programs.
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Mendel
Senior Member.
You may want to perform a site search on the word "sitrec" (check "search titles only" for best results).
Minus0
Active Member
Thanks for the tip!
John J.
Senior Member.
Don't you worry, some of us with less-than-impressive knowledge bases are in no way inhibited from making our contributions!
justthefacts
Member
University courses in math, physics, chemistry, stats, computer science, though my undergrad and grad degrees are in social sciences. Lifetime in IT. Lifetime in photography and later videography as a hobby. Heavy photoshop and general photographic post processing use. Drone pilot. Great interest in use of tech to search for signs of extraterrestrial life. Dismayed by all the garbage that now fills our skies and the inability of the general population to make sense of it and a willingness to interpret it to conform with one's religious/conspiracy beliefs. Even more dismayed by the lack of critical thinking evident in social media.
Hi, my name's Andrew. I trained as an architect, but have spent much of my career as a concept artist in the film industry. I've had a lifelong interest in the unexplained and Fortean. I'm particularly interested by the role of human fallibility in the realms of perception, memory and credulity; of the reluctance to acknowledge it and its denial in the face of the impulse to believe.
This is very evident in the recent(ish) spate of US military UAP sightings, where sophisticated technology and expertise (often seemingly derided in believer circles) are adduced to bolster the claim that the fault couldn't posssibly lie with human operators and interpreters. Recently I've become fascinated by the case of the Turin Shroud: thousands upon thousands of words written, mountains of money spent on scientific tests, whole courses established in "Shroud Studies", all ignoring that, as is immediately evident to anyone capable of conceptualising in three dimensions, that there is literally no way in geometry that a piece of fabric folded at the head and draped over a body down to the feet could have left the imprint we see - and that any attempt to get round that inconvenient fact is an instant reductio ad absurdam.
I believe that The Emperor's New Clothes is probably the most profound meditation ever created on the subject of human nature, I'm completely persuaded that what we are living through with social media is analogous to the invention of the printing press and the proliferation of superstition and ignorance that followed it, and I fervently hope for a whole new Enlightenment!
This is very evident in the recent(ish) spate of US military UAP sightings, where sophisticated technology and expertise (often seemingly derided in believer circles) are adduced to bolster the claim that the fault couldn't posssibly lie with human operators and interpreters. Recently I've become fascinated by the case of the Turin Shroud: thousands upon thousands of words written, mountains of money spent on scientific tests, whole courses established in "Shroud Studies", all ignoring that, as is immediately evident to anyone capable of conceptualising in three dimensions, that there is literally no way in geometry that a piece of fabric folded at the head and draped over a body down to the feet could have left the imprint we see - and that any attempt to get round that inconvenient fact is an instant reductio ad absurdam.
I believe that The Emperor's New Clothes is probably the most profound meditation ever created on the subject of human nature, I'm completely persuaded that what we are living through with social media is analogous to the invention of the printing press and the proliferation of superstition and ignorance that followed it, and I fervently hope for a whole new Enlightenment!
Hi all,
I'm a Professional VFX artist, was working as a programme leader on a University post-production course until last September when I decided to leave to go back to freelance work, I have a masters' degree in Sociology and try to approach this stuff from those two angles where it's applicable.
Got more into debunking after seeing the - frankly terrifying - anti-vax movement growing in number around covid and seeing the rampant anti-intellectualism that went along with it, and how that seems to have emboldened other fringe conspiracy groups into mobilising themselves - IE, the current UAP movement you see so much of. I'll most likely be found on UFO based threads, as that's more of an interest at the moment.
Like most people, I would love to know the answer to the question "are we alone in the universe" and I feel like the endless woo, anti-intellectualism, sensationalism, and groupthink around these subjects is actually significantly harming our chances of ever finding out, and skepticism is more important than ever as a result - especially in an age of social media, where "a lie can go halfway around the world before the truth has even got its boots on".
I'm also a big fan of Mick's stuff online, and it was through that that I ended up here. The world needs more people to publicly, rationally, and calmly speak out on the nonsense.
I'm a Professional VFX artist, was working as a programme leader on a University post-production course until last September when I decided to leave to go back to freelance work, I have a masters' degree in Sociology and try to approach this stuff from those two angles where it's applicable.
Got more into debunking after seeing the - frankly terrifying - anti-vax movement growing in number around covid and seeing the rampant anti-intellectualism that went along with it, and how that seems to have emboldened other fringe conspiracy groups into mobilising themselves - IE, the current UAP movement you see so much of. I'll most likely be found on UFO based threads, as that's more of an interest at the moment.
Like most people, I would love to know the answer to the question "are we alone in the universe" and I feel like the endless woo, anti-intellectualism, sensationalism, and groupthink around these subjects is actually significantly harming our chances of ever finding out, and skepticism is more important than ever as a result - especially in an age of social media, where "a lie can go halfway around the world before the truth has even got its boots on".
I'm also a big fan of Mick's stuff online, and it was through that that I ended up here. The world needs more people to publicly, rationally, and calmly speak out on the nonsense.
FatPhil
Senior Member.
I remember expressing the deliberately provocative opinion that the printing press was one of the most harmful of all inventions to some friends earlier this year, and also remember the shock and confusion that fell upon their faces hearing me deliver the line so earnestly. The slight pause while the internalised "well, when you think about it..."s were mulled over made any instantatious and instinctive negative-seeming reactions all worthwhile. It's heartening to see related ideas expressed here too. Welcome!
Ann K
Senior Member.
That was my immediate thought upon seeing pictures of the shroud. The image is, however, entirely consistent with the elongated figures so prevalent in gothic art ...dating from the centuries consistent with the manufacture of the fabric.
As for the printing press, the statistic that I recall is that Mexico City had a printing press a century before there was one in the States, but that was due to pressure from churchmen in the original colonies, who wanted to be the ones to interpret scripture for the people rather than have them read it for themselves. That's quite the opposite of your contention, of course; banning the printing press seemed to be an attempt to continue the tradition of superstition and ignorance.
Looking forwards to your contributions.
Of course I was oversimplistic in attempting to be brief.....it's unarguable that ultimately printing was able to spread knowledge and rationality in a way nothing had before, but I suppose I was thinking of the birthing pains that always accompany these leaps in communication technology, and in particular of the Malleus Maleficarum. Thanks for the welcome, nice to be here!That was my immediate thought upon seeing pictures of the shroud. The image is, however, entirely consistent with the elongated figures so prevalent in gothic art ...dating from the centuries consistent with the manufacture of the fabric.
As for the printing press, the statistic that I recall is that Mexico City had a printing press a century before there was one in the States, but that was due to pressure from churchmen in the original colonies, who wanted to be the ones to interpret scripture for the people rather than have them read it for themselves. That's quite the opposite of your contention, of course; banning the printing press seemed to be an attempt to continue the tradition of superstition and ignorance.
Looking forwards to your contributions.
Hello all! I have been a longtime lurker and reader of the forum and finally decided to make an account. I am hoping to participate in serious, skeptic analysis of UFO/UAP videos and other phenomena that differs from the clickbait and sensationalized "content" that pervades most UFO communities on Reddit, TikTok, and Youtube. I have always had an avid interest in UFOs and aliens since I was a kid, a fan of sci-fi films, and was scared out of my wits viewing "Fire in the Sky" as a 10-year old, which I blame for my everlasting interest in the subject. I want to believe, but I have never seen a single solitary piece of evidence that has convinced me the phenomena is real. I am fiercely skeptical and logical to a fault. The recent increase in sightings around the world has prompted me to hop on here, and in many ways those same events have frustrated me immensely. I have seen so many videos of UFOs/UAPs that are clearly planes or other aircraft are circulating as "REAL PROOF" of aliens. I see so many videos of drones and planes being ID'd as proof of extraterrestrials, etc. It seems the majority of the UAP community ignores logical explanations and build narratives out of thin air to explain things. While I am more than open to explanations that go beyond our understanding of the universe, so far, I have yet to be convinced that we are witnessing extraterrestrial technology.
I am a cinematographer and while I am not trained in VFX work myself, I work on projects that often incorporate VFX or I am working directly with VFX supervisors on set. This has given me an understanding for the tools at their disposal, and an eye for spotting VFX work in videos. The number of clearly fake videos that get spread around the internet is incredibly disappointing. I want this subject to be taken seriously, and analyzed seriously, but it seems the spread of fake videos is muddying the waters to such a degree that serious discussion is hard to come by.
As a cinematographer I also have an intimate understanding of cameras, sensors, optics, etc. that I hope can be helpful to the community here if it ever arises. I can't tell you how many times I have seen videos or photos of a lens flare, bokeh, or sensor artifact being passed around as a UAP. And I know the human eye and mind can deceive us and create optical illusions that appear to be very convincing. I have a quick story-- about 10 years ago I was driving on the highway at night, when I saw a triangular craft with three pulsing orange lights fly directly over the highway, traveling from right to left and rising up over the road as it did. It was something like 150 feet above the road, and appeared immense, maybe the size of a school bus or so As I drove underneath the object, I was poised to get a good look at the whole thing. In those first seconds stomach fluttered with excitement -- is this finally when I get to see a real UFO? I drove underneath, and the object resolved more clearly -- it was clearly three Chinese lanterns with flickering flames inside, floating together in formation up and over the highway. But, my eye had completely "filled" the space between the lights against the dark sky, and made the lanterns appear to be part of a solid object. It was an illusion. From then on I understood our eyes are unreliable, our mind tries to make sense of what information is coming in, and sometimes it's wrong. And human witnesses may be wholly convinced of something they saw, but the actual truth is much more mundane.
I am excited to get more involved here and follow all the discussions more closely!
I am a cinematographer and while I am not trained in VFX work myself, I work on projects that often incorporate VFX or I am working directly with VFX supervisors on set. This has given me an understanding for the tools at their disposal, and an eye for spotting VFX work in videos. The number of clearly fake videos that get spread around the internet is incredibly disappointing. I want this subject to be taken seriously, and analyzed seriously, but it seems the spread of fake videos is muddying the waters to such a degree that serious discussion is hard to come by.
As a cinematographer I also have an intimate understanding of cameras, sensors, optics, etc. that I hope can be helpful to the community here if it ever arises. I can't tell you how many times I have seen videos or photos of a lens flare, bokeh, or sensor artifact being passed around as a UAP. And I know the human eye and mind can deceive us and create optical illusions that appear to be very convincing. I have a quick story-- about 10 years ago I was driving on the highway at night, when I saw a triangular craft with three pulsing orange lights fly directly over the highway, traveling from right to left and rising up over the road as it did. It was something like 150 feet above the road, and appeared immense, maybe the size of a school bus or so As I drove underneath the object, I was poised to get a good look at the whole thing. In those first seconds stomach fluttered with excitement -- is this finally when I get to see a real UFO? I drove underneath, and the object resolved more clearly -- it was clearly three Chinese lanterns with flickering flames inside, floating together in formation up and over the highway. But, my eye had completely "filled" the space between the lights against the dark sky, and made the lanterns appear to be part of a solid object. It was an illusion. From then on I understood our eyes are unreliable, our mind tries to make sense of what information is coming in, and sometimes it's wrong. And human witnesses may be wholly convinced of something they saw, but the actual truth is much more mundane.
I am excited to get more involved here and follow all the discussions more closely!
Mauro
Senior Member.
Ahhh, the Turin Shroud! I wonder if the guy who concocted this fake ever realized the resonance it would have had... but let me quote David Bowie..
"Wonder if he'll ever know / he's in the best selling show..."
BlackHoleNFO
Member
Hi, I am from Germany.
My first Alien-Kidnapping-Incident was....just kidding.
I have a Picture (I was maybe around 8-10 years old) in my mind of an orange, glowing, oval and pretty large flying Object (maybe 50 meters), i think i observed from our apartment on the fifth floor in Germany, until it is landing behind the Forest.
Maybe i was about to explore this and driven to the location with my bicycle, but there was nothing.
It could be wrong, I am not sure about, but it is in my dull mind, it leads me a bit into Esoteric, UFO Theme, Conspiracy the followed years. I was kinda paranoid and heavy on "23".
Now, Today, i wrote pretty often skeptical meanings to UAP, Alien, Monster Pictures and UAP Footage of every kind. There is just a lot of crap out there. I am very skeptical to Text Stories, and i can explain a lot of them with my medical knowledge (most people have hallucinations after REM-Sleep or before fall asleep or have an mental issue or just lying).
I'm constantly upset about short and bad recordings or non-logical behavior of astonishment for flying objects or situations. Sometimes I discover CGI generated images (i really thought the Manchester Orb is CGI, because the saturation of Color and wrong shadows, isn't it?) but can't proof it with Tools yet. I rarely do special research on debunking, although I can sometimes make drawings with Inkscape to explain things and can also use Affinity Photo, but I hardly ever used it.
Maybe I can learn something about forensic research here to support my skepticism in the future.
¤ Happy Debunking and UAP Hunting ¤
My first Alien-Kidnapping-Incident was....just kidding.
I have a Picture (I was maybe around 8-10 years old) in my mind of an orange, glowing, oval and pretty large flying Object (maybe 50 meters), i think i observed from our apartment on the fifth floor in Germany, until it is landing behind the Forest.
Maybe i was about to explore this and driven to the location with my bicycle, but there was nothing.
It could be wrong, I am not sure about, but it is in my dull mind, it leads me a bit into Esoteric, UFO Theme, Conspiracy the followed years. I was kinda paranoid and heavy on "23".
Now, Today, i wrote pretty often skeptical meanings to UAP, Alien, Monster Pictures and UAP Footage of every kind. There is just a lot of crap out there. I am very skeptical to Text Stories, and i can explain a lot of them with my medical knowledge (most people have hallucinations after REM-Sleep or before fall asleep or have an mental issue or just lying).
I'm constantly upset about short and bad recordings or non-logical behavior of astonishment for flying objects or situations. Sometimes I discover CGI generated images (i really thought the Manchester Orb is CGI, because the saturation of Color and wrong shadows, isn't it?) but can't proof it with Tools yet. I rarely do special research on debunking, although I can sometimes make drawings with Inkscape to explain things and can also use Affinity Photo, but I hardly ever used it.
Maybe I can learn something about forensic research here to support my skepticism in the future.
¤ Happy Debunking and UAP Hunting ¤
Maroonblazer
New Member
Hello! I learned about Metabunk.org on Hacker News today, in relation to the NJ drone story lighting up. Glad to see there's a place one can discuss such things rationally and reasonably.
Hello,
First-time visitor - and hopefully long-time guest - here. I arrived after an interesting comment on HackerNews linked to this site, which I had never heard of prior (to my unfortunate surprise, given my pride in staying aware of the latest-and-greatest).
My natural curiosity toward the topics of UFOs/UAPs, cutting-edge technologies (much of which is often kept secretive), as well as the public's psychological and general behavioral response to such phenomena, will likely make a permanent resident of this enclave [of constructive discussion] out of me, though only time will tell.
Whether adjacent to exploration of Fermi's "are we alone?" or not, I look forward to participating in constructive conversation with scientific merit, rather than that which unfortunately floods today's most popular social networks and other places of public discussion.
First-time visitor - and hopefully long-time guest - here. I arrived after an interesting comment on HackerNews linked to this site, which I had never heard of prior (to my unfortunate surprise, given my pride in staying aware of the latest-and-greatest).
My natural curiosity toward the topics of UFOs/UAPs, cutting-edge technologies (much of which is often kept secretive), as well as the public's psychological and general behavioral response to such phenomena, will likely make a permanent resident of this enclave [of constructive discussion] out of me, though only time will tell.
Whether adjacent to exploration of Fermi's "are we alone?" or not, I look forward to participating in constructive conversation with scientific merit, rather than that which unfortunately floods today's most popular social networks and other places of public discussion.
anomaly
New Member
Greetings from Austin, Texas. I'm an Anomalist / Fortean with a life long interest in UFOs, parapsychology and all things anomalous.
I've often been called a believer and debunker by different friends within the span of hours, days, weeks...
Its the current escalation of Drone Flap(s) that have finally brought me to post here.
I appreciate this forum's ability to crowdsource research.
Thank you for this resource.
ETA (Edited To Add) : thanks for approving my initial post and account.
I've often been called a believer and debunker by different friends within the span of hours, days, weeks...
Its the current escalation of Drone Flap(s) that have finally brought me to post here.
I appreciate this forum's ability to crowdsource research.
Thank you for this resource.
ETA (Edited To Add) : thanks for approving my initial post and account.
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Greetings from Vermont. I've watched Mick's videos for a while, with admiration. I wonder what his take will be on the current spate of "drone" sightings over the middle of the country. The ones with colored navigation lights could well be legitimate aircraft (so why call them drones?). And stories like Coast Guard boats being followed by "dozens of drones" seem hard to fathom, especially absent any imagery. Group hysteria?
Take a look at the forums page where these discussions are taking place.
https://www.metabunk.org/forums/
Harry Paget
New Member
Hello everyone! I'm a retired military pilot and current commercial pilot. I was inspired to join the forum because of my annoyance, for lack of a better word, for the congressional hearings on UFOs, the credulous nature of news reports on the recent NJ drones, and misinformation generally.
Hello.
Skeptical 61 year old motorcycling obsessed Canadian chef here.
Big fan of Mick West on YouTube.
Found this forum by way of googling "drones New Jersey".
Reading the threads here has been a breath of common sense fresh air.
Thanks.
Won't be be posting much as the only things I have any reasonable amount of knowledge on are motorcycles and food and they are out of the scope of this forum. LOL
Cheers
Ken
Skeptical 61 year old motorcycling obsessed Canadian chef here.
Big fan of Mick West on YouTube.
Found this forum by way of googling "drones New Jersey".
Reading the threads here has been a breath of common sense fresh air.
Thanks.
Won't be be posting much as the only things I have any reasonable amount of knowledge on are motorcycles and food and they are out of the scope of this forum. LOL
Cheers
Ken
SUFORC
New Member
Hi everyone,
after 4 years of 'knowing nothing' and fascination of UFO conspiracy, waiting for some kind of evidence, which never came, I went deep-diving on the subjects history, cold war and many other area's connected such as history in general, industrial military complex, technology development, psychology, religious belief, politics etc. for another 4 years. I was never a total believer, it was the community that was pressuring me to 'be open' to all the mythology and not seeing the psy-ops.
I'm glad to say Mick West was one of the many, that helped clearing up view beyond the shallow but government stimulated industry filled surface of ufology.
BG suforc
after 4 years of 'knowing nothing' and fascination of UFO conspiracy, waiting for some kind of evidence, which never came, I went deep-diving on the subjects history, cold war and many other area's connected such as history in general, industrial military complex, technology development, psychology, religious belief, politics etc. for another 4 years. I was never a total believer, it was the community that was pressuring me to 'be open' to all the mythology and not seeing the psy-ops.
I'm glad to say Mick West was one of the many, that helped clearing up view beyond the shallow but government stimulated industry filled surface of ufology.
BG suforc
TurtleSnap
New Member
Hello! Joining to get clarification on an event I saw in Peru.
Mendel
Senior Member.
The Welcome thread is not the place for this. I expect @TurtleSnap is going to start a new thread on this event in due time. (No pressure!)
Longtime follower of the skeptic community and just saw the segment with Mick in The UFO Movie They Don't Want You to See. Exactly the kind of analysis I appreciate! I don't really have any specialized knowledge here, so not sure how much I'll be able to contribute. I can already tell I'm going to spend a lot of time over the coming holidays getting familiar with the site though. Hopefully, find some areas where I can at least join the conversation.
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