PopSci article claiming to debunk ten GMO myths

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Dan Wilson

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A great article about GMO's and crops that debunks common myths. It discusses 10 claims, total, and also provides much more information.

http://www.popsci.com/article/scien...con=core-truths-10-common-gmo-claims-debunked (http://archive.today/xxC0S)

 
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moderateGOP

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A great article about GMO's and crops that debunks common myths. It discusses 10 claims, total, and also provides much more information.

http://www.popsci.com/article/scien...con=core-truths-10-common-gmo-claims-debunked


I'm glad that Popsci got rid of their comments section because the CTs would be all over this. This is the most comprehensive report about debunking GMOs that I have ever seen! Way to go Popsci!!!
 

KAT

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A great article about GMO's and crops that debunks common myths. It discusses 10 claims, total, and also provides much more information.
http://www.popsci.com/article/scien...con=core-truths-10-common-gmo-claims-debunked
Link seems dead now.

This does zero debunking. It is sophistry and half truths, sets up straw men, deliberately keeps missing the point and claims mystery studies it doesn't bother quoting or linking. If I had to describe it in one word, I'd say "propaganda".

Ohoh. Sophistry. Alarm bells. Splicing in genes from other species is not the same at all.

More sophistry. Many substances have taken 30 years to find out they're not good for long-term use so that in itself proves nothing. Telling: no links to any of the studies so people can verify for themselves if the claims made for them are true (or if so many studies do actually exist).

Not a health claim, but an economic claim against GM food. It is true large-scale commercial growers typically don't save seed for next year. POOR FARMERS in third world countries DO, so GM does nothing for improved food security where it really matters. Meanwhile farmers in many countries are sued for having GM pants that seeded themselves, which doesn't exactly help them either.

Again an economic claim - and again not true, as the "significant boosting" depends on the poorer farmers being able to afford the GM seed and the pesticides and fertilisers needed for it. We can feed the world ONLY if the food is produced at a price the hungry can afford to pay. If the increased price of inputs means only large corporations can afford to produce, millions of farmers who lose their livelihoods still won't be able to afford to eat. Look at rural unemployment and poverty in the USA for evidence.

HAHA. Where are the links to the extensive tests? yes indeed they are voluntary and not at all enforced. Nor peer reviewed. An honour system to let the FDA know if there's a problem. "Other health problems" are not tested for, how can they be with a description as vague as that? But if a GM change causes, a protein to be changed, or a mineral to be not taken up, biochemical reactions depending on these won't happen - and may be decades before the shortage of that item shows up as disease. And may be different or people than for rats, mice and rabbits, so can't really be tested for on them. Because GM foods HAVE been around for so long, there are epidemiological studies possible now to show such effects.


The same 5 got quoted twice above and the link won't work, but I imagine the other 5 were no more scientific or accurate than these.
 

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Link seems dead now.

This does zero debunking. It is sophistry and half truths, sets up straw men, deliberately keeps missing the point and claims mystery studies it doesn't bother quoting or linking. If I had to describe it in one word, I'd say "propaganda".

Ohoh. Sophistry. Alarm bells. Splicing in genes from other species is not the same at all.

More sophistry. Many substances have taken 30 years to find out they're not good for long-term use so that in itself proves nothing. Telling: no links to any of the studies so people can verify for themselves if the claims made for them are true (or if so many studies do actually exist).

Not a health claim, but an economic claim against GM food. It is true large-scale commercial growers typically don't save seed for next year. POOR FARMERS in third world countries DO, so GM does nothing for improved food security where it really matters. Meanwhile farmers in many countries are sued for having GM pants that seeded themselves, which doesn't exactly help them either.

Again an economic claim - and again not true, as the "significant boosting" depends on the poorer farmers being able to afford the GM seed and the pesticides and fertilisers needed for it. We can feed the world ONLY if the food is produced at a price the hungry can afford to pay. If the increased price of inputs means only large corporations can afford to produce, millions of farmers who lose their livelihoods still won't be able to afford to eat. Look at rural unemployment and poverty in the USA for evidence.

HAHA. Where are the links to the extensive tests? yes indeed they are voluntary and not at all enforced. Nor peer reviewed. An honour system to let the FDA know if there's a problem. "Other health problems" are not tested for, how can they be with a description as vague as that? But if a GM change causes, a protein to be changed, or a mineral to be not taken up, biochemical reactions depending on these won't happen - and may be decades before the shortage of that item shows up as disease. And may be different or people than for rats, mice and rabbits, so can't really be tested for on them. Because GM foods HAVE been around for so long, there are epidemiological studies possible now to show such effects.


The same 5 got quoted twice above and the link won't work, but I imagine the other 5 were no more scientific or accurate than these.
Can you provide any evidence (preferably with links) to back up your claims?
 

KAT

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Can you provide any evidence (preferably with links) to back up your claims?
Sorry. I am new here. I did not know it is like Wikipedia (1) (2) (3) everywhere.

Dan Wilson linked the above article with the comment "A great article about GMO's and crops that debunks common myths" And called it "This is the most comprehensive report about debunking GMOs that I have ever seen!". Is he going to be held to the same standard -- prove with links that this article does, in fact, debunk myths as he claims? All I did was point out that it does not, including, inter alia, the fact that it has no references to its sources.

I don't need to prove that, anyone reading the article can see for himself. And I can't easily find links to prove the negative that the article has no sources or references... a fact which alone is enough to show that it is not even trying to be scientific or factual. If, despite this, Dan can demonstrate that it is actually a good debunk, then I'll go into more detail about the contents of the article
 

scombrid

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POOR FARMERS in third world countries DO, so GM does nothing for improved food security where it really matters. Meanwhile farmers in many countries are sued for having GM pants that seeded themselves, which doesn't exactly help them either.
Perhaps you can cite evidence for this claim.

The cases I’ve read in which Monsanto has sued farmers have involved the farmers deliberately creating seed stock that isolated round up resistent genes. The farmers then proceeded to grow their subsequent plantings using Roundup Ready techniques. That looks like a clear deliberate patent violation that Monsanto is correct to challenge.

I’ve not seen verified cases of Monsanto going after farmers that simply have their crop contaminated with Monsanto crop genes, in this country or otherwise.

NPR did a better debunk of the seed-stock myths a couple of years ago:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/20...ve-myths-of-genetically-modified-seeds-busted
 
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I don't need to prove that, anyone reading the article can see for himself. And I can't easily find links to prove the negative that the article has no sources or references... a fact which alone is enough to show that it is not even trying to be scientific or factual. If, despite this, Dan can demonstrate that it is actually a good debunk, then I'll go into more detail about the contents of the article
sophistry
 

Soulfly

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Sorry. I am new here. I did not know it is like Wikipedia (1) (2) (3) everywhere.

Dan Wilson linked the above article with the comment "A great article about GMO's and crops that debunks common myths" And called it "This is the most comprehensive report about debunking GMOs that I have ever seen!". Is he going to be held to the same standard -- prove with links that this article does, in fact, debunk myths as he claims? All I did was point out that it does not, including, inter alia, the fact that it has no references to its sources.

I don't need to prove that, anyone reading the article can see for himself. And I can't easily find links to prove the negative that the article has no sources or references... a fact which alone is enough to show that it is not even trying to be scientific or factual. If, despite this, Dan can demonstrate that it is actually a good debunk, then I'll go into more detail about the contents of the article
Perhaps reviewing the Posting Guidelines would be a good idea. This is a site about evidence and not opinions. You haven't done anything but give the latter.
 

KAT

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Perhaps you can cite evidence for this claim.

The cases I’ve read in which Monsanto has sued farmers have involved the farmers deliberately creating seed stock that isolated round up resistent genes. The farmers then proceeded to grow their subsequent plantings using Roundup Ready techniques. That looks like a clear deliberate patent violation that Monsanto is correct to challenge.

I’ve not seen verified cases of Monsanto going after farmers that simply have their crop contaminated with Monsanto crop genes, in this country or otherwise.

NPR did a better debunk of the seed-stock myths a couple of years ago:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/20...ve-myths-of-genetically-modified-seeds-busted

http://rt.com/usa/monsanto-patents-sue-farmers-547/

one little quote from that "The biotech leviathan has filed over 140 lawsuits against farmers for planting the company’s genetically-engineered seeds without permission, while settling around 700 other cases without suing."

This includes farms with contamination, NOT deliberate planting. In fact organic farmers who want nothing to do with GM,which makes their product valueless; that's why they went to court over it.

So your debunker above didn't do a simple Google search. Nor did you.
 

Soulfly

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http://rt.com/usa/monsanto-patents-sue-farmers-547/

one little quote from that "The biotech leviathan has filed over 140 lawsuits against farmers for planting the company’s genetically-engineered seeds without permission, while settling around 700 other cases without suing."

This includes farms with contamination, NOT deliberate planting. In fact organic farmers who want nothing to do with GM,which makes their product valueless; that's why they went to court over it.

So your debunker above didn't do a simple Google search. Nor did you.
http://thesoapboxrantings.blogspot.com/2013/05/debunking-anti-monsantoanti-gmo-claims.html
 
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