New weather phenomenon discovery?

[ManInBlack]

Not much information on this video except for the detail below...

This was sent in from sub reddit the op republicofzetaricull anyone else seen this footage, supposedly taken in Ohio......

It could be ball lightning but the movement is fascinating and this could be in fact a new unknown weather phenomenon?

 

[deirdre]

but the movement is fascinating

is it more fascinating than the other reflection we see in the window glass?

 

[deirdre]

 

[Ann K]

Not much information on this video except for the detail below...



It could be ball lightning but the movement is fascinating and this could be in fact a new unknown weather phenomenon?

Sorry, but I have no idea what she saw that she considered so strange. It looks like ordinary lightning to me, and Ohio had a LOT of lightning last night.

Edit: I see it was back in September, not last night, but my question still stands. I see nothing distinctive in the video. Does she mean that pale dot that climbed?

 

[Mendel]

It could be ball lightning but the movement is fascinating

Could you please screenshot and post the relevant bits? Use circles and arrows, if you have to.

You can upload images to the forum with "attach files" from the post editor, and then "Insert..." the attached image as "full image" into the post itself.

 

[ManInBlack]

I have stabilised the footage. The weather phenomenon moves up and down as seen in the video.

If you have nothing constructive to add, I would ask that you don't add your commentary to clog the thread.

I'm seeking any informative information to possibly determine what this is...

EDIT: The unknown moves up and down as seen in the video.

 

[deirdre]

Does she mean that pale dot that climbed?

i imagine so. i think its this


vs these obvious reflections


i'm guessing based on [this older] the aerial that ..in order to see the highway there, the stage would have been behind them.

 

[Mendel]

The weather phenomenon moves up and down as seen in the video.

It's not a "weather phenomenon", it's a white dot.
Thank you for pointing this out.

 

[deirdre]

It's not a "weather phenomenon", it's a white dot.

it could maybe be a technical "weather phenomenon" if one of the stage strobe designs was bouncing off the distant clouds/fog. obviously it's not a "new" weather phenomenon.

 

[ManInBlack]

Lighting test is possible for Lost Lands. Note this was before the event started.

This is questionable though because it is during a lightening storm...

This year's Lost Lands will take place September 23-25, 2022.

https://edm.com/events/lost-lands-2022-festival-guide

 

[deirdre]

Lighting test is possible for Lost Lands. Note this was before the event started.

yea.

https://www.wunderground.com/history/daily/us/oh/columbus/KCMH/date/2022-9-21

Article:

This year's Lost Lands will take place September 23-25, 2022. Those with early-access tickets can arrive as early as Tuesday, September 20th and participate in campground activities as well as a special pre-party on Thursday, September 22nd.

Source: https://edm.com/events/lost-lands-2022-festival-guide

weds lineup (21st)

 

[deirdre]

Ubur. awesome



Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdq7sBcNeIM

 

[ManInBlack]

Ubur. awesome



Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdq7sBcNeIM

Ha!

I'd say this one is solved.

 

[deirdre]

there IS a little alien in the audience. maybe it IS his ufo.

 

[Z.W. Wolf]

These lights cannot be reflections nor lens flares. Here's the reason. They don't move with the camera. Look closely and you will see that they stay fixed in a vertical line above a spot on the landscape, even as the camera is waving about.

There are two radio masts is a radio mast just across the Dwight D Eisenhower Highway. I suspect these mystery lights are xenon flash lamps red beacons on that mast.



Google Earth View from offramp
https://earth.google.com/web/search...VE6KlvAIhoKFmtOWmVGYkFlUFlPYzlra2RJWTNmVEEQAg

As an example: A different radio mast with xenon flash lamps for day and red beacons for night mode.





So why don't we see these beacons all the time? Because they are dim and they are only sometimes visible in this multi-generation video.

So why are the witnesses going gaw-gaw over radio mast lights? They're not. They're looking at the lightning. Someone else along the line assumed they were talking about these dimmer lights.



A view of these masts from another angle.
https://earth.google.com/web/search...VE6KlvAIhoKFmc5YjJBcWJfVWVIY09DZS1HOERVWkEQAg

Edit: There's currently only one mast. In the above view there are two, but it's an older view. Just move down the road a few yards and one of them disappears.

 

[ManInBlack]

These lights cannot be reflections nor lens flares. Here's the reason. They don't move with the camera. Look closely and you will see that they stay fixed against the landscape in a vertical line.

There are two radio masts just across the Dwight D Eisenhower Highway. I suspect these mystery lights are xenon lights flashing on one of those masts.



Google Earth View from offramp
https://earth.google.com/web/search...VE6KlvAIhoKFmtOWmVGYkFlUFlPYzlra2RJWTNmVEEQAg

As an example: A different radio mast with xenon lights flashing.





So why don't we see them all the time? Because they are dim and they are only sometimes visible in this multi-generation video.

So why are the witnesses going gaw-gaw over radio mast lights? They're not. They're looking at the lightning. Someone else along the line assumed they were talking about these dimmer lights.



A view of these masts from another angle.
https://earth.google.com/web/search...VE6KlvAIhoKFmc5YjJBcWJfVWVIY09DZS1HOERVWkEQAg

Aren't the transmission tower lights red?

Maybe they needed repair (like the Ingleside tower, see below)


Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qT6MnpaQ6qM

 

[Z.W. Wolf]

I was just correcting my post as you wrote this. Xenon flash lamps for day and red beacons at night. This fits the video better anyway, as the first light visible is not a quick flash.

The lights are just at the threshold of being bright enough to show up. Visible sometimes, and not visible at other times. It's a quirk. I saw this same effect in a video showing stars in the night sky of Phuket, Thailand. In some frames a particular star was visible, but not visible in other frames.


This thread was based on that video: https://www.metabunk.org/threads/cl...year-disproves-globe-earth.10324/#post-227537

 

[ManInBlack]

I was just correcting my post as you wrote this. Xenon flash lamps for day and red beacons at night. This fits the video better anyway, as the first light visible is not a quick flash.

The lights are just at the threshold of being bright enough to show up. Visible sometimes, and not visible at other times. It's a quirk. I saw this same effect in a video showing stars in the night sky of Phuket, Thailand. In some frames a particular star was visible, but not visible in other frames.


This thread was based on that video: https://www.metabunk.org/threads/cl...year-disproves-globe-earth.10324/#post-227537

Below is two identifying features of the video...a guard rail fence and flood light.






Source: https://www.tiktok.com/@clintsstrangerzone/video/7150354005582023979


Looking on google maps there is a flood light next to the transmission tower and you can see the guard rail (note this is not the exact position of the person taking the footage).



What I can't work out is why you can't see the tower when the lightning lights up the sky.

 

[Z.W. Wolf]

What I can't work out is why you can't see the tower when the lightning lights up the sky.

In this case the mast would be back lit by the sky. Silhouetted. So the image would just be a lack of brightness against a bright sky. That's a situation where exposure levels are tricky in film photography, which is what I'm educated in. If this were film I could talk about grain size and halation.

Still, I'll say a few words that might or might not be technically correct.

The silhouette of the mast would be small on the sensor and only a relatively small number of sensor pixels would be involved.

In this case the sensor was overwhelmed by the bright light. The camera had insufficient time to auto-adjust to the change in brightness. That particular sensor may be back-illuminated to maximize the amount of light being captured and converted by each pixel.

This will give some idea of the situation.




The lowdown is that the silhouette image of the mast was lost in the brightness of the sky.

If someone with better knowledge wants to step in... that would be good.

This thread should explain: https://www.metabunk.org/threads/explained-why-clouds-appear-behind-the-sun-and-moon.7084/

The difference is that the mast was not out of focus... It's a matter of resolution rather than focus.

 

[ManInBlack]

The image size of the structural pieces of the mast on the sensor would be small, and only a relatively small number of sensor pixels would be involved in producing an image of the mast. It could be resolved by the sensor in good lighting conditions. But even strong backlighting in daytime might "washout" the mast.

In this case the sensor was overwhelmed by the bright light. The camera had insuffient time to auto-adjust to the change in brighness. That particular sensor may be back-illuminated to maximize the amount of light being captured and converted by each pixel.

I may be getting myself in trouble here, because I'm educated in film photography not digital. The lowdown is that the image of the mast was lost in the brightness of the sky.

This thread should explain: https://www.metabunk.org/threads/explained-why-clouds-appear-behind-the-sun-and-moon.7084/

The difference is that the mast was not out of focus... It's a matter of resolution rather than focus.

That makes sense.

What further validates your point is the fact that you cannot see the lamp posts as well (see below)

 

[Z.W. Wolf]

Thanks, but I don't think the light post was ever in frame during a lightning flash. Those dim lights you have circled are probably ground lights. Windows or lights on buildings, or whatever.

 

[ManInBlack]

Thanks, but I don't think the light post was ever in frame during a lightning flash.

Refer to the video and the maps I believe it is, considering it appears above the tree line.

 

[deirdre]

Refer to the video and the maps I believe it is, considering it appears above the tree line.

i think those are just fog camera artifacts. when she zooms in. there is no indication of anything there before she zooms in.

i liked zws catch, but from the main area there would be no trees behind the truck on the highway, the angle would not work..so i wondered if they expanded the campgrounds, and yea they do. she would have to be in this camping area here (roughly)

 

[deirdre]

@ManInBlack
i think i got the wrong pole in my shot (its hard not being able to get the right camera view). i think my "lightpole" is this thing which is right across the side street from the transmission tower, and might explain those two little steady dots (street light bouncing off those panels ???)




because im on the highway i cant get the light poles and guardrails right. a side road, with view across campground (kinda) but really hard to see anything or line things up

 

[Mendel]

It's one of those cases where what you really want is a good daytime photo from the same location.

 

[ManInBlack]

Below is two identifying features of the video...a guard rail fence and flood light.






Source: https://www.tiktok.com/@clintsstrangerzone/video/7150354005582023979


Looking on google maps there is a flood light next to the transmission tower and you can see the guard rail (note this is not the exact position of the person taking the footage).



What I can't work out is why you can't see the tower when the lightning lights up the sky.

I didn't pick this up before but when you overlay all the lights you get a vertical sequence.

Below is the first 3 sequences of light prior to the flash which are vertical (they same position once you taking into account the camera movement).

This re-affirms the idea that these lights are from the radio tower.

 

[ManInBlack]

@Mick West can you please change this to solved. Thank you.