Need debunking:Ebola conspiracies video

David Fraser

Senior Member.
Most countries use military aircraft to transport high risk patients. The UK has its capabilty with the Tactical Medical Wing at RAF Brize Norton flying a Voyager http://www.airtanker.co.uk/raf-voyager/capability/aeromedical-evacuation. It must be remembered that private medical evacuation aircraft are expensive and not fitted for isolation.

IV bag on the outside: What a stupid thing to query. The guy is in an isolation tent so how the hell do you change an IV? Dhur.

Equipment on the body. Purely anecdotal but when transporting a patient you tend to shove on top any small items they are attached to and would usual hang. It stops them snagging or generally falling off.
 

Hevach

Senior Member.
When countries remove their civilians from a country breaking out in war, they generally use military aircraft for the same reason: They're bought and paid for, and already budgeted for unexpected missions like this. It's cheaper than hiring a commercial plane, and has none of the problems like passengers getting bumped. Military planes are frequently safer and more reliable, as well, less likely to treat maintenance or fuel as a budget item to be trimmed.

Militaries do a lot more than shoot people. Aircraft carriers frequently lead humanitarian efforts due to their hospital capacity, cargo and supply space, and power generation ability. C-130's frequently handle the delivery of aid to refugees. Military hospital units are dispatched to disaster zones because of their specialized training in rapid trauma triage. Navies still play a key role in undersea exploration and deep ocean science, air forces do the same with high altitude research, and the US army does most of the legwork for the geological survey.
 

vooke

Active Member
Thank you Fraser,
Actually on the original video they show it clearly. The author of that conspiracy video is clearly editing it to make it appear as one person for his own ends

Here's the original;
 

jaydeehess

Senior Member.
Military aircraft - Yes, as pointed out above this is not unusual.

IV bag - the video purports that this is unusual and that hanging it "to gravity" is wrong then opines that the equipment on the patient includes an IV pump. Yes, quite possible. Its also a specialized gurney which has a battery backup for transfer between off board power supplies. As pointed out above, in order to change bags they have to be outside the isolation chamber. The video would seem to suggest then that all IV supplies that may be required should have been loaded inside with the patient. Its not heavy enough?

Two man transfer - Going from aircraft to scissor lift the isolation chamber is being lowered. Going into the ambulance it has to be raised and the heavy duty gurney also adds weight.
Two man transfers never done? Ambulances have two man crews. Yes two persons do routinely move patients if that patient is on a gurney.
When I had abdominal surgery I was sent to get a CAT scan. The gurney was pushed along by a 90 pound, twenty something nurse, all by herself. On the way back I had another , albeit larger, nurse do the same thing. Blanket transfer, yes, four persons. That never is a factor in this video though.

CIA and FEMA references - There is no indication that this is a CIA flight or any CIA personnel involved. Both of those agencies are American and this is a Spanish Military aircraft landing in Spain.

Police escort - Well duh! Two patients with a very scary disease being transferred along city streets. Does anyone not think its a good idea to make sure these ambulances don't have to mix with, and contend with, traffic and the risk of a crash?
 
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KAT

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IV bag - the video purports that this is unusual and that hanging it "to gravity" is wrong then opines that the equipment on the patient includes an IV pump.
IV pumps don't suck up the liquid from a bucket underneath. The fluid is fed into the IV pump by gravity and the pump's job is to control the rate of flow. This allows the easy placement of drugs into the IV system, for gradual administration over the right period of time. This is the main reason to use an IV pump, to be able to vary the rate for different substances. If the person is to get one solution only (eg saline or glucose) the rate can be set up directly from the bag by gravity feed. Also a pump will give warning if the feed is occluded or the supply runs out, which gravity feed won't. The pumps come with their own internal rechargeable batteries which are good for more than a day, in my recent personal experience.
 

jaydeehess

Senior Member.
IV pumps don't suck up the liquid from a bucket underneath. The fluid is fed into the IV pump by gravity and the pump's job is to control the rate of flow. This allows the easy placement of drugs into the IV system, for gradual administration over the right period of time. This is the main reason to use an IV pump, to be able to vary the rate for different substances. If the person is to get one solution only (eg saline or glucose) the rate can be set up directly from the bag by gravity feed. Also a pump will give warning if the feed is occluded or the supply runs out, which gravity feed won't. The pumps come with their own internal rechargeable batteries which are good for more than a day, in my recent personal experience.
In the unedited video we see a tech holding the IV bag up, thus gravity.

Unfortunately I have much personal experience with IV
 

KAT

Active Member
In the unedited video we see a tech holding the IV bag up, thus gravity.
I know. That is one reason they said it was fake.
I've never been on a medi-vac plane, but the ward I spend some time in sometimes is on the same level as the hospital's chopper pad. The chopper and hospital have matching equipment, so they roll up the gurney (batteries, O2 bottle etc on it) and the stretcher unit just rolls out onto it. The gurney has roller bearing things on the top, and so has the chopper floor. The chopper section is like a hospital bed (they can raise the head section for instance) but has a raised frame/shelf to hold spare equipment, patient's belongings etc, well clear of the body, and an IV pole of course. The pull the patient out, then swap over everything that's connected to the patient, lock the 2 pieces together, then everyone pushes the gurney inside. The lifts (elevators to Americans) are just opposite.

It takes them about 15 minutes to get someone inside. Then about half an hour later they bring back their equipment and fly off. Usually at least 8 patients are watching, it's the only entertainment in the place. The helicopters are amazingly quiet, and just appear out of nowhere; only way to know there's one coming is by seeing the pad lights on. The hospital people with the gurney don't turn up until it's landed.

On the other end, they need to lift the patient in only if they're picking up from a scene, like a bad crash. Often it's just a transfer from a hospital in a smaller town, that lacks the specialist equipment/doctors.

Nothing in the video looked fake to me.
 
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