Max Bliss debates chemtrails

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JFDee

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Also, if Max wants to make sure that there is nothing between him and the data transmitter in the plane, he could buy a personal ADS-B receiver and get the signal directly from the planes overhead.

For testing, it seems that some low-cost digital TV reception USB sticks can be used as ADB-S receivers:
http://www.flightradar24.com/dvbt-stick

Of course this does not rule out that a plane may be sending fake information, but it shouldn't be too hard to match passenger flight schedules from airport service websites (arrivals and departures) with the transmitted flight number, time and direction of a plane going by.
 
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WeedWhacker

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Oh dear...my hand might now be permanently attached to my forehead, after reading those snippets/excerpts made by "Max Bliss".

(...and, that "name" must be a pseudonym, no? "Max Bliss"?)
 

WeedWhacker

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Also, if Max wants to make sure that there is nothing between him and the data transmitter in the plane, he could buy a personal ADS-B receiver and get the signal directly from the planes overhead.

For testing, it seems that some low-cost digital TV reception USB sticks can be used as ADB-S receivers:
http://www.flightradar24.com/dvbt-stick

Of course this does not rule out that a plane may be sending fake information, but it shouldn't be too hard to match passenger flight schedules from airport service websites (arrivals and departures) with the transmitted flight number, time and direction of a plane going by.
Even better....to properly ascertain the chemical nature of the clouds and contrails (since we know that this is what they are), a spectrometer could be used, to analyze sunlight that shines through the contrails, and clouds.

A spectrographic analysis would be conclusive, one would think?? Hmmm....Google Chrome didn't like the spelling of "spectrographic", there. Well, here's a reference:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/spectrographic analysis
 

David Fraser

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Even better....to properly ascertain the chemical nature of the clouds and contrails (since we know that this is what they are), a spectrometer could be used, to analyze sunlight that shines through the contrails, and clouds.

A spectrographic analysis would be conclusive, one would think?? Hmmm....Google Chrome didn't like the spelling of "spectrographic", there. Well, here's a reference:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/spectrographic analysis
You could even go to the top of a very big hill and collect a sample straight out of a cloud. The thing is the results will show aluminium and the like. Any form of analysis is pointless as the results are warped and misinterpreted.
 

WeedWhacker

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You could even go to the top of a very big hill and collect a sample straight out of a cloud. The thing is the results will show aluminium and the like. Any form of analysis is pointless as the results are warped and misinterpreted.
Hang on a minute!! Please don't give "chem"trail believers any more ammunition, bullet points of ignorance to fire!

A "very big hill" that is high enough to reach the altitude of contrails simply does not exist on this planet. Think about it.......
 

David Fraser

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Hang on a minute!! Please don't give "chem"trail believers any more ammunition, bullet points of ignorance to fire!

A "very big hill" that is high enough to reach the altitude of contrails simply does not exist on this planet. Think about it.......
Not contrails but clouds. You said to interpret the nature of clouds and contrails.
 

WeedWhacker

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Not contrails but clouds. You said to interpret the nature of clouds and contrails.
Can you clarify where I was imprecise?

For the record: Contrails are merely a form of cloud. Cirrus clouds, to be exact. Yes, produced 'artificially' in a sense, but only because we build machines that fly through the air to disturb it, and to encourage what Nature can do all by itself.

SO...a contrail, when measured with a spectrometer, will reveal not only the abundance of H2O, but the results also of burning hydrocarbon-based fuels, such as Jet-A1.
 

David Fraser

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Can you clarify where I was imprecise?

For the record: Contrails are merely a form of cloud. Cirrus clouds, to be exact. Yes, produced 'artificially' in a sense, but only because we build machines that fly through the air to disturb it, and to encourage what Nature can do all by itself.

SO...a contrail, when measured with a spectrometer, will reveal not only the abundance of H2O, but the results also of burning hydrocarbon-based fuels, such as Jet-A1.
You just said clouds and contrails, not contrail cirrus. Someone can stand on top of a big hill and take samples direct from clouds
 

WeedWhacker

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You just said clouds and contrails, not contrail cirrus. Someone can stand on top of a big hill and take samples direct from clouds

OK...I understand. Writing in forums can be imprecise at times, compared to a face-to-face conversation.

What I should have been more precise about is: Contrails cannot be sampled from on top of a "big hill". The highest point (well, this can be disputed, but let's just use it) on the Earth's landmass is the tippy-top of Mt. Everest. At ~29,000 feet, yes you could sample a contrail from there....IF you happened to be lucky enough to have one drift by, just as you happened to be at the summit.

My point was, there are scant few locations on Earth that are that high, and since contrails generally will not form below (at the extreme) about 25,000 feet? Well, you can see the problem with standing "on top of a big hill" to take "samples"!

This is why there are two (maybe more) alternatives: ONE - spectrometer readings from the surface, using the Sun's light to determine the elements, or TWO - airborne sampling tests, with any number of methods, to ALSO include spectroscopy.
 

David Fraser

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OK...I understand. Writing in forums can be imprecise at times, compared to a face-to-face conversation.

What I should have been more precise about is: Contrails cannot be sampled from on top of a "big hill". The highest point (well, this can be disputed, but let's just use it) on the Earth's landmass is the tippy-top of Mt. Everest. At ~29,000 feet, yes you could sample a contrail from there....IF you happened to be lucky enough to have one drift by, just as you happened to be at the summit.

My point was, there are scant few locations on Earth that are that high, and since contrails generally will not form below (at the extreme) about 25,000 feet? Well, you can see the problem with standing "on top of a big hill" to take "samples"!

This is why there are two (maybe more) alternatives: ONE - spectrometer readings from the surface, using the Sun's light to determine the elements, or TWO - airborne sampling tests, with any number of methods, to ALSO include spectroscopy.
Given people like Max read the thread it is best to be specific in what you mean. Chemtrailers believe most clouds are manmade, which some can be. I would hazard that direct sampling of a cloud from the top of a hill would be far more accessible, but as I said earlier irrespective the method used it will still show metals in it and the quantities are irrelevant to a believer.
 

GregMc

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A "very big hill" that is high enough to reach the altitude of contrails simply does not exist on this planet.
Well in reality contrails can form at ground level if it is COLD enough.
One of the main reasons that they don't usually form below 20,000 feet is that in populated areas below those altitudes the air is a bit too warm and it usually takes the effect of lapse rate with altitude to allow the air temperature to be low enough.
Go to Siberia or Nth Alaska or the South Pole and they appear just fine at ground level.
http://www.avsimrus.com/f/on-the-ground-videos-99/vzlet-tu-204-47644.html?action=viewonline
 

WeedWhacker

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Well in reality contrails can form at ground level if it is COLD enough.
One of the main reasons that they don't usually form below 20,000 feet is that in populated areas below those altitudes the air is a bit too warm and it usually takes the effect of lapse rate with altitude to allow the air temperature to be low enough.
Go to Siberia or Nth Alaska or the South Pole and they appear just fine at ground level.
http://www.avsimrus.com/f/on-the-ground-videos-99/vzlet-tu-204-47644.html?action=viewonline
Correct. and again point made. However, 'IF' "Max Bliss" is reading this thread? "He" will continue to discount any and all references to actual science, logic and reasoning. That is my prediction, and it's a heck of a lot better prediction than the Mayan "calendar" of 2012!
 

Mick West

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Max is not immune to science, it's just that his world view (shadowy psychopathic elite controlling everything) is providing a rather strong pull in one direction. But I think he's at least open to some science, logic, and reasoning - just perhaps not enough to counter his conviction.

I'd encourage Max to focus on the most basic science possible, and to check his results with independent experts.
 

JRBids

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Max is not immune to science, it's just that his world view (shadowy psychopathic elite controlling everything) is providing a rather strong pull in one direction..

And the direction now may be that these chemtrailing planes are "stealing" the flight numbers of Air France planes. Or other planes. Once the truth is inconvenient to the belief, they invent a work-around.
 

Mick West

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And the direction now may be that these chemtrailing planes are "stealing" the flight numbers of Air France planes. Or other planes. Once the truth is inconvenient to the belief, they invent a work-around.
But in his mind it's just trying a new hypothesis.
 

WeedWhacker

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But in his mind it's just trying a new hypothesis.
"in his mind"....that is one of the best quotes to come out of this thread!!!

EDIT...just in case:

If "Max Bliss" is reading this...PLEASE, by all means, provide some actual "evidence" for "chem"trails! Not just videos, shot with your camera, from the ground (your backyard?).

Get some scientific DATA, some "proof"!! Please.

(PS..."scientific data" might include actual, verifiable EVIDENCE of some sort!!)
 

Hama Neggs

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And the direction now may be that these chemtrailing planes are "stealing" the flight numbers of Air France planes. Or other planes. Once the truth is inconvenient to the belief, they invent a work-around.
That other guy just blithely claims that the identified flights aren't real and never take off or land where indicated. So, ummm... where is the REAL flight then? It's just like all the people who claim Venus is actually "Nibiru". When you ask them where is the real Venus, they just fall silent. How can you combat it when people just make stuff up and declare it as fact? He appears to have gone to zero effort to confirm his claim- just tossed it out there as if already confirmed, somehow.
 

Hama Neggs

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"in his mind"....that is one of the best quotes to come out of this thread!!!

EDIT...just in case:

If "Max Bliss" is reading this...PLEASE, by all means, provide some actual "evidence" for "chem"trails! Not just videos, shot with your camera, from the ground (your backyard?).

Get some scientific DATA, some "proof"!! Please.

(PS..."scientific data" might include actual, verifiable EVIDENCE of some sort!!)
He feels he has TONS of that, I'm sure. It's best to challenge specific bits of supposed evidence already presented.
 

WeedWhacker

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"in his mind"....that is one of the best quotes to come out of this thread!!!

EDIT...just in case:

If "Max Bliss" is reading this...PLEASE, by all means, provide some actual "evidence" for "chem"trails! Not just videos, shot with your camera, from the ground (your backyard?).

Get some scientific DATA, some "proof"!! Please.

(PS..."scientific data" might include actual, verifiable EVIDENCE of some sort!!)

"IF" the person who calls himself "Max Bliss" will read this, and agree to an exchange...I would be willing. Though, I know that others who are members here and are also experienced airline pilots have tried.
 

TEEJ

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And the direction now may be that these chemtrailing planes are "stealing" the flight numbers of Air France planes. Or other planes. Once the truth is inconvenient to the belief, they invent a work-around.
I agree. The idea has already been seeded to Max on his Facebook page via the postings of Cornell van Loon. In their minds the US Navy P-8s can now be involved in the spraying operations passing themselves off as commercial 737s. USAF Veteran Kristen Meghan has already re-enforced the belief that the US Navy are involved. She stated during her interviews regarding E-6 Mercury TACAMO.

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MikeC

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Perhaps me missed that the stainless bits are nowhere near the drain masts?? o_O

To me it looks like they are at the break in the engine cowl that is probably the thrust reverser - so are for heat resistance.

Or it may just be that hose panels are left bright for effect - it looks like that line is not the thrust reverser - those are "petal" types ahead of that.

This scribd document is a quick overview of the pylon construction and materials for those interested - at the end is a photo that looks like an identical engine - but the pylon is painted grey like the rest of the skin.
 
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Balance

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Does he always talk in the collective tense? "...we believe.."

I had to research hygroscopic smoke generation. Found something about naval tests emitting huge amounts of the stuff at little return.

But again, do these people not stop to consider the bulk of these chemicals needed to cover the distance contrails are seen to cover?
 

MikeC

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I think he's saying the TMA must be in the engine oil - otherwise there would be more extensive stainless steel??
 

cloudspotter

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I think he's saying the TMA must be in the engine oil - otherwise there would be more extensive stainless steel??
Could be. It also reads like he's confirming what the desperate debunkers have been saying about the pipes. Not all planes have them, here's a plane without them. o_O
 

David Fraser

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I think he's saying the TMA must be in the engine oil - otherwise there would be more extensive stainless steel??
He really won't the TMA thing drop will he, even after an explantion of its chemical instability and big bang making properties.

With all these investigative researchers around like Max, Look Up and David Lim one would expect to see a believable thesis on how the stuff gets in the fuel or oil? Do they add it at the airport or is it at source at the refinery? Given refineries are unionised I wonder what sort of backhander a worker gets for handling TMA.

With every new thesis more questions are raised. Last year Max claimed workers working airside are very highly paid, when the reality is very different and many are casual agency workers. Yet we are to believe that they have all pledged allegience to the NWO. Quite frankly it is all an insult to ones intelligence.

I wonder if Max realises that it is all nonsense. He does not agree with public protest and marches, as do others. Why is that? Is it because there is a high likelihood that protesters will come into contact with scientifically minded people unfamiliar with chemtrails? Max likes to control the circumstances for discussion, as shown with never directly engaging Metabunk, and hence his concentration on disinformation. He knows that his argument is weak and false and he needs to ensure his acolytes don't find out.
 

Pete Tar

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So close to enlightenment.
It's almost like he realises how ridiculous it is.
 

JRBids

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I don't even understand what point he's trying to make here. No pipes and no shielding, is he saying this isn't a 'spray' plane?
I don't understand one thing he is saying. I have no idea what parts he is referring to. I think his followers also have no idea. Possibly he doesn't either.
 

Hama Neggs

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Does he always talk in the collective tense? "...we believe.."

I had to research hygroscopic smoke generation. Found something about naval tests emitting huge amounts of the stuff at little return.

But again, do these people not stop to consider the bulk of these chemicals needed to cover the distance contrails are seen to cover?
No. They don't. Doesn't matter how many times you point it out- they just ignore it or invent some bizarre psuedo-science to "explain" it.
 

Buildy

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Max usually claims persistent trails is the result of SRM, to block the sun. But why do we find persistent trails at night as well?
This is actually a big plot hole in the Solar Radiation Management argument.
I've thought the same thing for spraying over snow covered areas as well....
 

WeedWhacker

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Max Bliss's plea to the world for help

"Balance", thanks for that link. I went ahead and posted on that video, using my YT 'handle' of 767Captain. (I know...corny as all heck, but it's the first one I could come up with, when I first joined YT in 2007!)

I will be watching to see whether or not (or how soon) "Max Bliss" decides to edit my post, and remove it entirely. I didn't take a 'screenshot' (not sure how to do that, yet) however, I did copy/paste into Word, just to save the full text of my post.
 

George B

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Max Bliss's plea to the world for help

Wow!! If I believed what Max believed I don't think I could get up in the morning . . . :eek: . . . Me thinks he is near the edge . . . Zombie like control is just around the corner . . . Trans-Humanism is all but accomplished . . .
 

Balance

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I didn't take a 'screenshot' (not sure how to do that, yet)
Do you have (top right usually) a PrtSc button on your keyboard? On mine, pressing Shift-PrtSc copies a bitmap into memory where I can just "paste" it onto Paint (or any graphic program) and save a copy from there. Bitmap format gives best resolution I believe
 

Soulfly

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"Balance", thanks for that link. I went ahead and posted on that video, using my YT 'handle' of 767Captain. (I know...corny as all heck, but it's the first one I could come up with, when I first joined YT in 2007!)

I will be watching to see whether or not (or how soon) "Max Bliss" decides to edit my post, and remove it entirely. I didn't take a 'screenshot' (not sure how to do that, yet) however, I did copy/paste into Word, just to save the full text of my post.
For Windows just hit the PrtScn button (usually to the right of f12) and then paste it into paint and then save as. No clue for Mac sorry.
 
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