Wow! It's remarkable how similar the tone of Retezar's b.s. is to Triton!In the comments section of my IGG anti-Triton campaign there are a few posts by Guy Raz who is in intense correspondence with Mr. Retezár, and also with the Ignite agency (partner of IGG promoting Fontus). Some of the emails he posted there as screenshots are quite amusing. I am attaching the latest one from Mr. Retezár, below.
PS: only one day remaining before the campaign deadline, and I have a bad feeling that unlike in Triton's case, IGG will let the fraud happen and will pay out the money to Fontus.
Yes, exactly. I am just surprised they did not come with the claim that the bottle in fact contains a canister with liquid hydrogen, and that they produce water by combining it with the atmospheric oxygen, and getting so also el. power for the condenser, adding even more water.Wow! It's remarkable how similar the tone of Retezar's b.s. is to Triton!
IGNITE Agency, the promoter of Focus, and a partner of IGG, quickly washes their hands, and pretends there is no relation between them and Fontus (see the screenshots of the communications with Guy below). When Guy Raz pointed out that the IGG campaign lists them as partners of Fontus, their logo immediately disappeared from the IGG page. I already suspected earlier that many of the promoters are in fact IGG insiders, allowing so IGG to gain more money on the campaigns, and this quick reaction only confirms it.Remember, PR advertising agencies have been hired, to this and many other "big campaigns" to promote the product.
How much responsibility do they hold, in an unproved product ?....in that they are creating and dictating the promotional tactics ?
"I want you to listen to me. I'm going to say this again:IGNITE Agency, the promoter of Focus, and a partner of IGG, quickly washes their hands, and pretends there is no relation between them and Fontus (see the screenshots of the communications with Guy below). When Guy Raz pointed out that the IGG campaign lists them as partners of Fontus, their logo immediately disappeared from the IGG page. I already suspected earlier that many of the promoters are in fact IGG insiders, allowing so IGG to gain more money on the campaigns, and this quick reaction only confirms it.
I'm no engineer, but the Fontus argument:Im sorry its off subject.
Here is an update from their facebook page, see the comments section.
is it just me or did he say you can opt-out once the campaign is over? I'm not sure if this is binding in any way (being a comment on facebook), but it's defiantly sketchy.
The specification are:
12 Ounces is 0.35L, in 24 hours, at 86°F, 80% RH, Fontus claims to be able to get that
- Quiet Operation w/Dehumidifying Capacity of 12 Ounces a Day at 86°F, 80% RH
- Measures Just 5.9" x 7" x 7.16" - Perfect Choice for Spaces up to 200 Square Feet
Judging by the reviews, the Ivation unit works just as specified. It's just about 10x the size and 1/50th the efficiency of the Fontus claims.
@Fontus, can you address the fact that you are claiming efficiency gains of a factor of 50 over current Peltier dehumidifiers?
This is a good point (and quite sad at the same time to see the disparity). The solar efficiency is a huge (dare I say insurmountable) challenge to make the device work at these efficiencies. If the Shockley-Queisser limit is taken into account, with current solar tech we are at about 50% theoretical S-Q maximum (22-24% efficiency). Let's say they reach maximum efficiency 49%, heck lets say the bust right through that limit and go for 100% efficiency, so about 4times as efficient. Based on energetic needs alone, their solar panel is still 2,5 times too weak to power the Peltier device. This is not counting the needed miniaturisation of the Peltier (or that new ultra secret 'not-a-Peltier-device').That's how revolutionary Fontus claims to be.
One wants to provide water in central Africa for families survival. The other wants to give free water to middle class bikers.
One is being backed for $18K so far (only a couple of days) and the other is being backed for $300K (little more than 1 week).
And both share the same space in Indiegogo.
Well, I guess in a couple of months we start seeing rainbow highways, the joke will be on us.Yeah, they are soo going to deliver on this product in a couple of months.... And it will be delivered to all the IGG backers by leprechauns riding unicorns on rainbow highways.
Only 6ft down tooI cannot see how that can collect water 24 hours a day. Water will only condense if the walls of the vessel are colder than the dewpoint of the air. In arid areas, the dewpoint can be well below zero (Celsius). The ground temperature is not going to be that low.
And they directly contradict themselves in an answer to a question on the campaign page, by saying that RH is an important factor:I can see that it might work to some extent in coastal regions, where the air will be more humid. San Francisco is not arid, as anyone who has enjoyed the fog there will know.
But their claim that the "effectiveness is not based on Relative Humidity" is clearly bunk, as the dewpoint (which is the limiting factor for the device to work, along with the ground temperature) is very much dependent on the relative humidity!
In fact this whole sentence is a complete non-sequitur:
It doesn't matter whether you use a naturally occurring temperature difference or create one artificially, condensation will still only occur if the relative humidity is high enough.
From memory it was actually on David Avocado Wolfe's page. He either shared or wrote a post about the Waterseer.What page did Ian's post appear on? It appears (?) that the W.S. promoters may have deleted Ian's entry. If so, that's pretty low.
Ha. Slinking away with tail between lags (and money in bank!)Our Fontus friends posted an update on their IGG page and guess what: they're getting closer to having to report failures so they are fleeing the US; they're relocating back to Vienna. The first backer asked for money back and let's wait for the flood of refund claims to start dripping in over the next 2 months as they start missing more and more of their 'milestones'.
Yes indeed Fontus, trying to alter the laws of Thermodynamics to fit your goals, does tend to move at a very slow pace from my experience. My anti-gravity plane I am building and soon funding on IGG is also hitting a couple of snags....I also blame it on my suppliers.
Ya, It's too bad that TF delivers his message with sneers and sarcasm.Thunderf00t has released a typical video rant on youtube
According to the Facebook post from one of the students that's posted over here, he says 11 liters, not 11 gallons -- A significant difference.Most of the headlines and article content read like the device, as outlined in the WaterSeer promotional video, was already developed, field tested and proven to deliver 11 gallons of water. Neither of these seem to be true. To be fair, VICI labs possibly admits as much in their Indiegogo page.
So "could" it hypothetically make 11 gallons or did it actually make 11 gallons? I find the phrasing ambiguous.
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