Explained: Strange Clouds over Costa Rica [Cumulonimbus Pileus & Iridescence]

Mick West

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A video being shared on social media shows an odd looking colorful cloud that looks a bit like a translucent disc hovering over a storm cloud.

It actually is a translucent disc hovering over a storm cloud. It's a type of cloud know as Pileus, or a cap cloud, which is formed above a cumulonumbus cloud (a storm cloud) by the strong updraft. Seeing a pileus cloud indicates that the storm cloud is growing rapidly.
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The colors are a cloud phenomenon known as iridescence. This occurs in transparent clouds when the droplets in the clouds are all similar sizes (typically this occurs in very young clouds). The similar sized droplets scatter light of a particular color, and small variations in the size, combined with the angle from the sun, create irregular bands of color.
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A google search shows many similar phenomena:

https://www.google.com/search?es_sm=119&tbm=isch&q=cumulonimbus+cap+cloud+iridescence

For more details and examples, see:
http://www.atoptics.co.uk/fz503.htm
 
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M Bornong

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It's no wonder that people get freaked out by these natural formations when even the mainstream news presents it with headlines like this:

and poorly explained:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/mysterious...ud-phenomenon-spotted-costa/story?id=33834206
 
Found this quote from an oil company engineer who was talking about oil spill rainbows. Since what we are looking at does not have that vibrant look of a water based rainbow it seems likely there is something else there, or a bad camera but the rest of the cloud looks normal....
 
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Trailblazer

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The original photos colors seems to have a lot more common with this then the spectrum you see from a water mist or cloud.

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They do, because they are both iridescence , which is caused by the interference between light waves. As also seen in CDs, soap bubbles, etc. Rainbows are not caused by iridescence, they are caused by simple refraction.

Cloud iridescence is caused by a somewhat similar mechanism to the thin-film iridescence in oily puddles, which is why the colours form in similar irregular bands.

So yes, Phillip is right, the pictures of iridescent clouds have more in common with oily puddles than they do with rainbows. But both are caused by water droplets, not oil.
 
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deirdre

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So yes, Phillip is right, the pictures of iridescent clouds have more in common with oily puddles than they do with rainbows. But both are caused by water droplets, not oil
so you are saying when we see color in clouds, sometimes its a rainbow (refraction) and sometimes it's iridescence?
 

Trailblazer

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so you are saying when we see color in clouds, sometimes its a rainbow (refraction) and sometimes it's iridescence?

Precisely. Very different mechanisms. It's not just rainbows that are caused by refraction, though. Solar halos, circumzenithal arcs and sun dogs are also refraction effects; whereas iridescent and the rarer nacreous clouds get their colours from interference patterns.
 

deirdre

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Precisely. Very different mechanisms. It's not just rainbows that are caused by refraction, though. Solar halos, circumzenithal arcs and sun dogs are also refraction effects; whereas iridescent and the rarer nacreous clouds get their colours from interference patterns.
but Micks second picture is iradescence. ?? Maybe the question would be more than, what makes the OP first picture "less vibrant" than the second pciture. ??
 

Trailblazer

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but Micks second picture is iradescence. ?? Maybe the question would be more than, what makes the OP first picture "less vibrant" than the second pciture. ??
Could be the camera settings or could be a real effect. The more vibrant example appears to be a thinner cloud.

http://www.montana.edu/jshaw/documents/Coronas_ShawNeiman_AO2003.pdf


I'm kind of simplifying a bit. Cloud iridescence isn't quite the same as oil-on-water iridescence, because the latter is thin-film interference, but the priniciple is the same: different wavelengths of light destructively and constructively interfere with each other, making some colours stronger and some disappear.

Mick summarised the differences in this post, although I wouldn't say that thin-film interference is "entirely different" from the Mie scattering that causes cloud iridescence. Both result in interference fringes of colour in similar ways.
 
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deirdre

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Cloud iridescence isn't quite the same as oil-on-water iridescence, because the latter is thin-film interference, but the priniciple is the same
i agree.

and people describe things using different terms. For ex. i would never describe that second rainbow in my pic as "vibrant", but i'm fine if Jermakian describes it as such. My mother keeps describing primarily blue colors as green. so it's all good.

i do think his oil pics look like the second photo in the OP. but i'm good if he (or anyone else) sees it differently.
 
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