Exactly Who Are The Public And Who The Elite?

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Oxymoron

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So who are the 'Elite'?

Are 'we' in the west, all 'the Elite'?

It is undisputed that there are many poor among us and much hardship as well but in general, 'We in the west' consume most the wealth and resources of the world whilst the people in the third world live in poverty and at the same time produce much of goods and natural resources which we depend upon to maintain our lifestyles.

Here is one view of who the Elite are but how complex is it really?



Are you and I a members of the Elite?

In the video, the author names politicians and banksters but does it stop there? He goes on to surmise (at 8 mins) that we can actually survive and even prosper under the NWO... So is that what it is about... is the driving force simply that 'we maintain or increase our wellbeing'?
 

Mick West

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It depends where you draw the line, and what criteria you use.

When I refer to The Elite, I just mean people who are very rich and powerful. I'd pretty much include anyone with a net worth of over $100 Million, but there's no hard and fast rule.

That's the problem with words. They have lots of different meanings, and different people use them differently.

Who do YOU think The Elite is?
 

Oxymoron

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It depends where you draw the line, and what criteria you use.

That's the problem with words. They have lots of different meanings, and different people use them differently.
Exactly.

When I refer to The Elite, I just mean people who are very rich and powerful. I'd pretty much include anyone with a net worth of over $100 Million, but there's no hard and fast rule.

Who do YOU think The Elite is?
I suppose it must defacto be a relative term... You have given a perfectly reasonable definition. I think power has more to do with it than wealth but it does normally follow that great power brings great wealth, Ghandi, Mandela and a few others being exceptions but then do they qualify as elites?
 

AluminumTheory

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An elite could define many people. Steve Jobs was an elite in the Tech industry, but beyond that he really didn't have the political power to be what we may define as elites. That of course isn't to say that it couldn't have been his if he had wanted it.
The way I see it, is that we're dealing with what is essentially a relative term that which cannot be defined in a single sentence.
 

Mick West

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I suppose it must defacto be a relative term... You have given a perfectly reasonable definition. I think power has more to do with it than wealth but it does normally follow that great power brings great wealth, Ghandi, Mandela and a few others being exceptions but then do they qualify as elites?
When their choices have significant and deliberate influence in matters that affect a lot of people. So when they get elected usually, or if they just become influential, or rich.
 

Mick West

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An elite could define many people. Steve Jobs was an elite in the Tech industry, but beyond that he really didn't have the political power to be what we may define as elites. That of course isn't to say that it couldn't have been his if he had wanted it.
The way I see it, is that we're dealing with what is essentially a relative term that which cannot be defined in a single sentence.
He'd qualify by my definition though, having a net worth of $10 Billion. He also had significant influence in matters that affected many people.

Within the conspiracy world though, "the Elite" essentially refers to what might be labeled "the Illuminati", i.e. a secret club that has the "real" power. So the newly rich like Sergei Brin (net worth $23 billion) don't get to join that club just because they have money.

I think Brin is having vastly more influence on the world than most of the people usually fingered as "the elite".
 

AluminumTheory

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He'd qualify by my definition though, having a net worth of $10 Billion. He also had significant influence in matters that affected many people.

Within the conspiracy world though, "the Elite" essentially refers to what might be labeled "the Illuminati", i.e. a secret club that has the "real" power. So the newly rich like Sergei Brin (net worth $23 billion) don't get to join that club just because they have money.

I think Brin is having vastly more influence on the world than most of the people usually fingered as "the elite".
IIRC, people from google are purported to have attended this most recent Bilderberg meeting. I also recall Alex Jones stating that google was part of a CIA operation of some sort.
 

Oxymoron

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IIRC, people from google are purported to have attended this most recent Bilderberg meeting. I also recall Alex Jones stating that google was part of a CIA operation of some sort.
Well Google were 'the good guys' facilitating freedom of speech and knowledge etc but it appears they have been subverted as part of the NSA information gathering network along with the other big corporations. Talk about Matrix and Rabbit Holes... there are so many crimes perpetrated by the Corporocracy/Illuminati it is no wonder it is hard to distinguish reality from fiction.

These same forces have been at work for millenia, the Church had it down to a fine art where the people would come in periodically to report their crimes and this was filed away by the priests for use later on, now these people just use fb and blatant email and phone monitoring.
 

Mick West

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These same forces have been at work for millenia, the Church had it down to a fine art where the people would come in periodically to report their crimes and this was filed away by the priests for use later on, now these people just use fb and blatant email and phone monitoring.
Interesting theory. If true there must have been millions of these files. Have any ever been discovered?
 

Cairenn

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Oxy, a priest is NOT allowed to share any part of a confession with ANYONE, including his superiors in the Church. NO ONE filed it away for later use.

That reminds me of some the stories I heard from the fundy Baptists of my youth. My church didn't believe and share them.
 

Oxymoron

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Interesting theory. If true there must have been millions of these files. Have any ever been discovered?
Lol... On form then Mick :)

I think logistics of the day meant the priests would only 'up level' or record the bigger secrets but it was 'all there' ready to be accessed at a moments notice. 'We are investigating John Smith... you take his confessionals.... tell me all about him'.

The Scientologists have it down even better... they get you to pay to be lie detected and that all gets filed away. Hubbard offered to link the FBI in on the system apparently... but they didn't want it at that time.

http://www.prbm.com/interest/mex-t-z.php

http://www.xenu.net/archive/books/tsos/sos-02.html
http://commonsensecatholicism.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/the-crisis-of-confessional.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/1411373/Priest-who-became-mayor-accused-of-confessional-box-blackmail.html


Sorry Cairenn but people lie... as has just been clearly demonstrated by the NSA
 

Cairenn

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Oxy, your first link was about priests that abuse the confessional for their own carnal desires. To equate that to ALL the Church is like demanding that all men wear chastity harnesses, because some 'stray'.

The other one is ONE case ---NO where is there any evidence of thousands of files. You seem to have a distorted understanding of the Catholic Church
 

Brainiachick

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Well Google were 'the good guys' facilitating freedom of speech and knowledge etc but it appears they have been subverted as part of the NSA information gathering network along with the other big corporations. Talk about Matrix and Rabbit Holes... there are so many crimes perpetrated by the Corporocracy/Illuminati it is no wonder it is hard to distinguish reality from fiction.

These same forces have been at work for millenia, the Church had it down to a fine art where the people would come in periodically to report their crimes and this was filed away by the priests for use later on, now these people just use fb and blatant email and phone monitoring.

Not that hard to distinguish reality from fiction, is it?

As for priests filing confessions for later use, Oxy, you know that is simply not true. Catholic Priests are the worst in this regard, in that in general they do not share these confessions even with the Police when there is an investigation. Their religious point of view is that once confession has been made that is equivalent to atonement for the wrong doing, this being synonymous with ablution of the soul. This is in direct conflict with the law because it makes no room for due justice or indeed rehabilitation of the offender. This is a major problem and it hampers the discharge of justice. So I disagree with you, completely but respectfully.
 

Oxymoron

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Not that hard to distinguish reality from fiction, is it?
How would you definitively prove which was which or even if there is a reality at all?

As for priests filing confessions for later use, Oxy, you know that is simply not true.
I do not know that, otherwise I would not have stated it... that's not a nice accusation is it? :(

Catholic Priests are the worst in this regard, in that in general they do not share these confessions even with the Police when there is an investigation. Their religious point of view is that once confession has been made that is equivalent to atonement for the wrong doing, this being synonymous with ablution of the soul. This is in direct conflict with the law because it makes no room for due justice or indeed rehabilitation of the offender. This is a major problem and it hampers the discharge of justice. So I disagree with you, completely but respectfully.
But you are making the mistake of conflating secular law with the business of the Catholic Church... the priests report to the Church not to the police.

http://religiousmatrix.com/archive/the-confessional-or-the-all-seeing-eye-of-rome/
 

Brainiachick

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I do not know that, otherwise I would not have stated it... that's not a nice accusation is it? :(
Oxy, no intention on my part to hurt your feelings. I made no accusation, just merely stating the opposing view to your earlier allegations that priests keep confession for later use.


But you are making the mistake of conflating secular law with the business of the Catholic Church... the priests report to the Church not to the police.

Perhaps I misunderstood you. Just so we are clear, what you are saying is that the priests keep these confessions of their members for later use by the Catholic church against its own members? If that is what you are saying, some evidence of this would be nice. I do not claim expertise in Catholic church policies and procedures, but from my legal strategy work, I have serious issue with the Catholic church's protection of child molesters amongst their ranks - so if anything, the position may very well be the contrary to what you are claiming. Well, unless of course you are saying that the protection of these elements are part of keeping them perpetually in the sacks of the Catholic church's blackmail? But to what intent and purpose?
 

Oxymoron

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Oxy, no intention on my part to hurt your feelings. I made no accusation, just merely stating the opposing view to your earlier allegations that priests keep confession for later use.
I know... just playing :)

Perhaps I misunderstood you. Just so we are clear, what you are saying is that the priests keep these confessions of their members for later use by the Catholic church against its own members?
No, I am saying against anyone. It was an early spying app.

If that is what you are saying, some evidence of this would be nice. I do not claim expertise in Catholic church policies and procedures, but from my legal strategy work, I have serious issue with the Catholic church's protection of child molesters amongst their ranks - so if anything, the position may very well be the contrary to what you are claiming. Well, unless of course you are saying that the protection of these elements are part of keeping them perpetually in the sacks of the Catholic church's blackmail? But to what intent and purpose?
For the furtherance of the power and wealth of the Church... as simple as that.

Surely you do not believe the governments spy on their people 'to keep the people safe', it is for the benefit of themselves and state that they spy. Even Obama, Petraeous, Wilson, Tony Benn, + loads more of them have been spied on and likely blackmailed. I don't understand why some people find it so difficult to view these people as the ruthless, murdering, lying, self serving psychopaths that they obviously are.

But sure, if you want the official answer... Pope Pious

The same as the NSA etc will say they are not spying on everyone. If they say they are not then they are not... simples :)
 

Oxymoron

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A bit more on this as think it interesting. These are the type of people who have run things throughout the ages. strength, brutality, subterfuge and greed are the main requisites/talents.

Early example of the American 'for profit' prison system...:)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newgate_Prison

This is quite illuminating on the thoughts of some Elite through Christian history.

http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/ellerbe1.htm

Similar types discussions were held at various times on various sections of humanity i.e. such as to whether black people had souls or were human etc.

These are the people who you are suggesting would hold the confidentiality of 'confession' sacred.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vatican/esp_vatican29.htm

and

http://www.cathar.info/1209_inquisition.htm

http://www.npr.org/2013/01/18/169606531/the-inquisition-a-model-for-modern-interrogators
http://history.howstuffworks.com/historical-figures/spanish-inquisition3.htm
I think not.
 

MikeC

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Corruption or abuse of power does not define the elite IMO - anyone can do either of those if they have any power at all.

IMO "the elite" are often those who think they are elite - they partly (at least) define themselves by believing they are "different from the rest" or something similar.
 
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