Does the beginning part of Gimbal debunk the claim that the object rotates?

I received a DM from a UFOlogist, @realityseaker on Twitter, who had done some work on the Gimbal video and found something. Everyone focuses on the "flop," where the object/glare (hereafter the "blob") suddenly swivels dramatically — but his analysis suggests that the video's first 24 seconds are actually more telling. With his permission, I am looking for commentary.

He started with a version that's rotation-stabilized to keep the bars of the horizon indicator level onscreen, and also centered and translation-stabilized on the blob. He then wrote a clever little program to track the rotation of the blob's major axis. He found a strong correlation between the rotation of the blob (orange) and the roll of the aircraft (blue):

To make this more visually intuitive, I overlaid a constant angle on his video, and then roughly animated it to show how the blob and aircraft roll more or less at the same times and amounts: once around 0:01, again around 0:09, and again at 0:19:

Discussion: This correlation may have escaped notice previously because, up until the "flop," the ATFLIR's de-rotation mechanism keeps the blob from rotating in the original video, even as the jet rolls. But of course, the aircraft icon in the middle of the horizon indicator also doesn't rotate in the original. They both remain equally stable, even as the horizon-indicator bars (and the real horizon) tilt. The blob and aircraft are moving together.

Broadly, the rotation of the blob relative to the horizon has two explanations. Either the rotation is local — the blob's orientation is a function of the moment-by-moment orientation of the aircraft. Or, the rotation is distant — the object actually rotates in space with a similar timing and magnitude as the aircraft's roll, either by sheer coincidence or ... well, I'll let people with more colorful imaginations fill in the rest.

Of course, the correlation goes to hell as the ATFLIR approaches 0° (starting around 14° L), when the outer and inner gimbals begin to behave/interact chaotically. Prior to that, though — and neglecting coincidence or a fantastical ad hoc hypothesis — does the correlation prove beyond any reasonable doubt that the rotation of the Gimbal blob is a locally caused phenomenon?
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Since there is a mechanism that tilts the image on the display according to the bank angle (possibly a CV joint), it should be analyzed if the clouds also undergo this rotation.
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Perhaps this is one of the reasons why Gimbal is so compelling: the blob never moves while the clouds are moving, slowing down, and tilting. I think the clip would actually be less compelling if the blob rotated along with the clouds and horizon indicator — that's what we might intuitively expect if the object were actually shaped like that. Since it doesn't, it creates a subliminal impression that the blob is "following" us, like a creepy portrait painting. It's even slightly eye-shaped.
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