Debunked: Planet sized object (ALIENS) caught by SOHO

Jason

Senior Member
The below video is a little over 4 minutes long. In the video the author UFOvni2012 makes several claims. For the purpose of this thread I will investigate 2 of the 3 claims made in the video, since the coronal holes was previously discussed here; https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-giant-black-sphere-hovering-near-the-sun.469/
The first claim made in the video deals with streaks of light seen around the sun usually during or after a CME or solar flare event. Below are screen shots of some of the images;






NASA's SOHO page explains why these occurrences happen.
In the next part of the video he shows a video that was taken from SOHO which shows a planet size disc moving across the plane of the sun, and argues that the object due to SOHO's location should move from left to right, but this object moves from right to left. Here is an image of where SOHO sits as it orbits the sun;


I would appreciate some help in explaining why the planet in view is moving across the screen from right to left. The only thing I can think of that would cause this is if that the satellite orbits its lagrange point, http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/mission/observatory_l2.html, and it's the orbit of the satellite swooping past the earth or moon that cause this planet to appear like it's moving in the wrong direction. So this isn't an Alien Mothership as discussed in the video. The video came out a few days ago on the 25th of September so I thought it deserved to be debunked...
 

Hevach

Senior Member.
Up is not always north on SOHO images. Some images will have it marked, but images released to the public often don't. They may or may not rotate them to expectation, but a lot of photos released to the public are adjusted for artistic value, not scientific.

The part of the video from 2014-09-24 I believe is from the SDO, not SOHO. SOHO is at L1, so the moon never passes in front of it (it has an instrument that can create artificial eclipses, but they don't look like this). SDO, however, is in geosynchronous orbit with a 28.5 degree inclination. It never gets total solar eclipses, but it gets a lot of partial ones like that, and they're always at weird angles like that.

Because it's in geosynchronous orbit, it moves a lot faster than the moon, and the apparent motion of the shadow across the sun is almost entirely due to the satellite's orbit, not the moon's. Depending on the time of year, it can be on the descending or ascending part of its orbit and make a right angle with the earth and sun, making the moon look like it's going straight up or down during the eclipse. More often the moon will follow a slanted (potentially up to almost 34 degrees), with left-to-right or right-to-left depending on whether the satellite is on the day or nigth side of its orbit (and whether anyone bothered to align north/south in the image, since you can't really tell and it only matters to researchers who have access to the raw data and not publicity photos) In rare cases it'll line up just right so that you see an eclipse appear to stop and change direction part way through.

Here's a picture from what I'm pretty sure is the same transit (falls into the time range on the same date) on the NASA SDO facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/NASA.Littl...6480/721258787921347/?type=1&relevant_count=1

Taken with a different filter or a separate instrument (or maybe just edited to be pretty like I mentioned above), but you can see the same filament diagonally near the limb of the moon and the sunspot feature on the top-right.
 
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Chew

Senior Member.
The instrument that took the images is annotated on the bottom left. The AIA 171 is on the SDO, exactly as Hevach said.

Go here: http://www.helioviewer.org/ and expand the "images" arrow and it will let you select which observatory, instrument, etc to select.
 

Jason

Senior Member
I took a screen shot from the OP video. This part of the video starts at 3:33. You can see what looks like a circular mass moving across the screen from right to left. Does anyone have any ideas as to what this could be. Is it a defect in the instruments or an artifact?

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Jason

Senior Member
Here is an example of a proton storm also known as a "snowstorm". The "snowstorm effect" that you see was caused by high-energy particles hitting the spacecraft's detectors in the SECCHI instrument's extreme ultraviolet and inner coronagraph telescopes. You can clearly see the streaks all over the image. This CME was so powerful it actually messed up the star tracker instrument on both STEREO satellites. In this quick time link you can see the satellite go all screwy during the storm. http://stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov/img/stereoimages/movies/ProtonStormcombo_sm.mov

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Hevach

Senior Member.
I'm assuming an artifact, like the shapes you can see if you stare at screen static for a few seconds. It's too slow to be a coronal ejection, its not solid or fixed shape, and it doesn't block fixed sources.


A point to add to my earlier post: Gravity is a factor here. These objects are supposedly about the size of Saturn. A space ship is going to have relatively low density compared to a planet (assuming it's made out of mundane materials and not some kind of exotic stable heavy isotope, which many alien conspiracists would have me believe) but you're still talking about something with the mass of a large terrestrial planet moving freely through the inner solar system. The disruption would be substantial. Not cataclysmic (assuming the ship's crew cared enough to avoid destroying the monkeyplanet orbiting their fuel stop*), but it should have a measurable effect on Mercury's orbit, and it should invalidate nearly every inner solar system asteroid orbit we've calculated.



*-A fun thought experiment:

Building a planetary scale megastructure and fueling it by starlifting puts these aliens squarely into the upper brackets of K2 on the Kardashev scale. If they've got a fleet of these things, low K3 at least.

Humans are in the bottom half of K0. Because intelligence was not, strictly speaking, in the listed requirements, ants, termites, and possibly bees arguably just make the cut at the bottom of K0.

So I ask you: When we build a new gas station, just how much attention do we devote to preserving the local ant colonies?
 
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Jason

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So I ask you: When we build a new gas station, just how much attention do we devote to preserving the local ant colonies?
Excellent thought experiment! But if the local gas station is being erected over an ancient archaeological site, then construction comes to a grinding halt until everything is preserved. We have no idea how "aliens" would view us or our planet
 

Hevach

Senior Member.
That's true, but really my point was more about the ridiculousness of the Kardashev scale - it's not often I get to point out just how wide the classifications are, and how insane differences of even 1 point are.
 

LadyHarleyRider

New Member
You know, I really wish that the people who make these silly videos would at least look at the anomalies page of the SOHO site and get an idea of what they are REALLY looking at.
 
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