Debunked: Natural News - Boston controlled explosion exercise

Alhazred The Sane

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Bob Orr confirms the two Boston bombing suspects are brothers, confirms name of one suspect as Dzhokhar Tsarnaev. They're from somewhere south of Chechnya.
 

Pete Tar

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Wow.
So they weren't actually *wrong*, they were so right they forced the government to run an alternative scenario.
I don't know if the idea that they can hang themselves with their own words ('give them enough rope') applies, because they just seem to use the rope to make swings instead.
 

Soulfly

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This one is being passed around -

http://www.local15tv.com/mostpopular/story/UM-Coach-Bomb-Sniffing-Dogs-Were-at-Start-Finish/BrirjAzFPUKKN8z6eSDJEA.cspx

The 'drill' aspect is considered suspicious, as it has been in other attacks.
This debunks itself since no bombs went off in seating areas.
 

Soulfly

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I hope training like this can help both prevent an attack and/or help catch bad guys quicker and help save lives if one happens. I'm sure this happens more often than people think. They probably happen without the general public really noticing it took place or at least very few people. I'm not sure how preparation for a drill that was supposed to take place 2 months after the bombing means it is some how a clue to a false flag.
 

Nathan Folks

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"Natural News" claims that there were suspicious exercises on the same day as the Boston Marathon bombings

http://www.naturalnews.com/039926_Boston_marathon_bombing_terrorism.html

No, really, it's not. The Library is directly opposite where the first bomb went off, hence "opposite the library", is the sidewalk, where the bomb exploded. Lots of people dropped their bags as they ran.

"Natural News" seems to be deliberately conflating the fire at the JFK Library with the controlled explosion opposite the public library. The tweets regarding the controlled explosion were:

(Times are Pacific, so 12:53 pacific is 3:53 Eastern, the bombing was at 2:50 Eastern, so these are about an hour after the bombing)




Obviously referring to the same thing, and simply clarifying the location.

Then AN HOUR LATER, they hear of the "explosion" at the JFK library:

(Notice it's not "The Library", which is what they call the main Boston Public Library, as you would expect).

And much later they note it seems to be just a fire:






(Above image via Reddit, not sure of the source, but the positions are accurate)

Natural News seems to basically just making things up to fulfill their preconceived idea of what happened.

THE TIME STAMP ON TWITTER FROM THE BOSTON GLOBE IS NOT PACIFIC TIME. IT IS THE TIME ZONE WHERE THE BOSTON GLOBE NEWSPAPER RESIDES. IN BOSTON WHICH IS EASTERN TIME ZONE. THIS HAS BEEN CONFIRMED WITH TWITTER AND THIS NOW BRINGS TO LIGHT THE FACT THAT THE TWEET WAS SENT PRIOR TO THE EXPLOSION. THIS IS NOW EVIDENCE FOR TRIAL. BOSTON GLOBE HAS SOME EXPLAINING TO DO.
 

Mick West

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THE TIME STAMP ON TWITTER FROM THE BOSTON GLOBE IS NOT PACIFIC TIME. IT IS THE TIME ZONE WHERE THE BOSTON GLOBE NEWSPAPER RESIDES. IN BOSTON WHICH IS EASTERN TIME ZONE. THIS HAS BEEN CONFIRMED WITH TWITTER AND THIS NOW BRINGS TO LIGHT THE FACT THAT THE TWEET WAS SENT PRIOR TO THE EXPLOSION. THIS IS NOW EVIDENCE FOR TRIAL. BOSTON GLOBE HAS SOME EXPLAINING TO DO.
Twitter updates to the viewer's timezone setting, not the posters.
Exactly.

This can be very easily verified by changing your time zone, either on your computer if you are not logged into twitter, or in your twitter account settings if you are logged in.

Example, consider this tweet, sent at 9:15 PST:

My computer is set to PST, so it looks like this to me:


If I change my time zone to Central, in the Twitter settings:


We get:


You should verify this yourself.
 

deirdre

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This can be very easily verified by changing your time zone, either on your computer if you are not logged into twitter, or in your twitter account settings if you are logged in.
both my time zones are Eastern and it still says 12:53


edit. fixed it. well, that was a royal pain. everything read ok ... all my timezones were correct....but i "synchronized"/UPDATE my clock under the "internet time tab" anyway.

and then i "avoid utc-8" under my ggogle mail because the 12:53 was showing in my google search. not just on twitter.

but i think it was the "syncronize internet time tab" under my computer clock because both IE and Google chrome were reading 12:53

now they both say 3:53 yay!!!

clock.JPG

boston.JPG ie.JPG
 
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deirdre

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Timestamp update: (see post #94 above) just doing some timestamps verifications on SH and check this.... NOW my Chrome browser/Google is still showing the correct time but my Internet Explorer has gone back to showing Pacific time. and again under my computer clock settings i'm still on Eastern time zone.

This is going to be a hard sell to people, to fix their computer settings!! I wonder if it has to do with browser updates??

Luckily it is well documented that Vance's first Press conference for SH was at 1:41pm. so the twitter timestamped posts for that event (well some.. there are many) are here...

https://twitter.com/peterleung/status/279657490961006593
https://twitter.com/rpolanskyWFSB/status/279657400405995520

google IE.JPG
 

ColtCabana

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Thanks for the Twitter stuff, guys. This is another issue that I commonly see with conspiracy theorists. I had Twitter, but after being attacked daily by Boston "truthers" I finally gave it up about a year ago, so thus, I can't confirm this stuff for myself. The work done is here is, as always, appreciated!
 

occams rusty scissor

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Sorry so late in the piece - just came across a Wired.com article on the Boston Bomb Squad and their efforts on the day. May shed a bit more light on things re the "controlled explosion" debate.

(Apologies if I've missed it being posted already.)

Specifically re the controlled blast:

Disruptors are a good bit of kit, essentially use a jet of water to punch open and disperse the contents of a package. Usually a much better option than counter charging an IED as they're aimed at preventing a high order detonation.
 

deirdre

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Thanks for the Twitter stuff, guys. This is another issue that I commonly see with conspiracy theorists. I had Twitter, but after being attacked daily by Boston "truthers" I finally gave it up about a year ago, so thus, I can't confirm this stuff for myself. The work done is here is, as always, appreciated!
If you can't get them to fix their computer settings, the real time is always in "the source code".

with my above example (note my Internet Explorer is not working again..Vance's speech was at 1:41 pm),
1. open the tweet in it's own page by clicking the date
2. right click mouse and chose "view source code"
3. Under the "edit" button (top menu) choose "find on page"
4. type in "timestamp"
5. look for data-time and the number
This number is the UNIX timestamp code.
6. use a converter to convert the UNIX time to the timezone the tweet was sent from. For Sandy Hook this was Eastern Standard time: DAYLIGHT SAVINGS


step 2:
wit1.jpg

step 3-5
ts3.jpg


step 6:
ts2.jpg
 
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