Don von Hostas
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What IS your opinion? Do you HAVE an opinion of what happened? Or are you just here to quibble and argue with eyewitnesses because they're not saying what you want them to say?
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Debunked: Boston Marathon victims: "crisis actors"
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If they can be explained, then they are not inconsistencies.
Unless you are actually going to discuss specific claims of evidence, please do not post.
Redwood
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If any of the deaths or injuries are real, then all of them are real. The "Official Story" is that this little girl had her leg blown off, her brother was killed, and her mother was gravely injured. Her name is Jane Richard.
The right half of the photo shows her brother and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.
If you are serious about doubting if this is true, it should be no problem for you to find her schooolmates and ask them is she really did have two legs prior to Patriot's Day 2013 and really did have a brother. Of course, when they answer in the affirmative, to a conspiracist this merely proves that her schoolmates are part of the conspiracy, too.
deirdre
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please don't encourage unsupportive people to stalk children.
ColtCabana
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Again, you may start a separate thread about that and ask me anything you wish. This thread is about crisis actors and not pertinent to the specific information you are asking me to provide.
NoParty
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Rilokilee, you've made nine posts, but you still haven't really said anything.
Everyone here already believes in questioning things. But to say that it's likely that well-documented events
are actually significantly different than what the known evidence supports, DOES move the burden to you.
On one hand you seem to realize that the Nayirah testimony definitely has no meaningful, plausible
counterpart in the Boston tragedy...and yet you introduce it as evidence to...uh...uh...well, I'm not sure.
There is no epistemological reason to pretend that hypothetical explanations are as likely as obvious ones.
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JRBids
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What is this new propensity for needing to see something with one's own eyes or, because something COULD happen, it did. You've still offered no substance. Now you're gish galloping. While any event could have happened, could not have happened, or somewhere in the middle, in this case all the evidence points directly to IT DID HAPPEN.
Efftup
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Before all this internet conspiracy everything is a false flag attack started off, people understood that people don't always recall events correctly and that people's eyewitness accounts may be skewed by their own beliefs and perspective.
Police are always very suspicious if eyewitness accounts match too closely.
These days, people with a particular political persuasion who are distrustful of the mainstream media look at every event with a critical eye, looking for things that apparently are "strange" or "don't make sense" which they can then claim are proof of some kind of staged event.
as has already been posted, if ANY of the injuries are real, then they all have to be. There is no other way round it.
also if you want to accuse people of somehow being made up with fake injuries, why not do a little ACTUAL RESEARCH (i.e not on conspiracy sites) and look at how long it actually takes to apply the make up and make it look real.
Police are always very suspicious if eyewitness accounts match too closely.
These days, people with a particular political persuasion who are distrustful of the mainstream media look at every event with a critical eye, looking for things that apparently are "strange" or "don't make sense" which they can then claim are proof of some kind of staged event.
as has already been posted, if ANY of the injuries are real, then they all have to be. There is no other way round it.
also if you want to accuse people of somehow being made up with fake injuries, why not do a little ACTUAL RESEARCH (i.e not on conspiracy sites) and look at how long it actually takes to apply the make up and make it look real.
Seriously? I am asking for more details on the eye witness I don't need to have a clear opinion cause I am trying to gather evidence to form one from all sides now coltcobana said that they were on this site to provide eye witness accounts and all i have asked for is more information but I thank them for getting back to me and I will ask these questions in a separate thread.
Before you do that, please review the posting guidelines.
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/posting-guidelines.2064/
I study ANthropology and in this subject the difference between primary data (being there) and secondary (armchair anthropology) is an important distinction this is true to most of science where you don't rely on hearsay but repeat tests and experiements to validate their veracity or test the internal logic of arguements there is nothing wrong with being open minded you should try it sometime
NO worries im leaving and I will be writing about this site and its bully tactics All i was trying to do was understand the other side of the story that wasn't the conspiracy perspective
NoParty
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Not being taken seriously for failing to say anything of value...is not really bullying...
p.s. I also studied anthro in college...lots and lots of things, 99.99999% that I didn't personally witness.
qed
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.Then you should know that fieldwork is our main source of data collection the theoretical is secondary but in college you probable didn't do any fieldwork I haven't found anyone on here who is able to have an intellectual discussion and @Mick West is calling someone a chicken #### fool allowed in your posting guidelines? i think that does qualify as bullying whether or not someone has something of value to say is a matter of opinion your reactions are aggressive if you dont think its important why comment in the first place?Not being taken seriously for failing to say anything of value...is not really bullying...
p.s. I also studied anthro in college...lots and lots of things, 99.99999% that I didn't personally witness.
qed
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@Rilokilee You are not presenting any claim. So no one can rationally argue with you.
You say Boston may be a conspiracy. No, that is false, because there is absolutely no evidence of this. If you have evidence, please show us. If it holds water, you will certainly change my mind.
I have read all the possible claims out there because I used to believe this ####. But they do not hold up when analysed. If you have one that I may have missed, please show it.
But you come here and refuse to present evidence. That is just foolish. Imagine going to a science forum and saying quantum mechanics may be false, but then refusing to back up your claim with any evidence. The forum will shout at you, because you are being a fool and wasting the forum's time.
Check out all the threads where we have argued about Boston before.
If you have something new to say then say it. Else forget about Boston being a conspiracy of actors. It wasn't.
You say Boston may be a conspiracy. No, that is false, because there is absolutely no evidence of this. If you have evidence, please show us. If it holds water, you will certainly change my mind.
I have read all the possible claims out there because I used to believe this ####. But they do not hold up when analysed. If you have one that I may have missed, please show it.
But you come here and refuse to present evidence. That is just foolish. Imagine going to a science forum and saying quantum mechanics may be false, but then refusing to back up your claim with any evidence. The forum will shout at you, because you are being a fool and wasting the forum's time.
Check out all the threads where we have argued about Boston before.
If you have something new to say then say it. Else forget about Boston being a conspiracy of actors. It wasn't.
NoParty
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Because you put up 9 straight empty posts in a day. Just letting you know that if you don't eventually
bring something to the table, folks here will soon tire of that "well, isn't it possible that...?" undergrad/youtube stuff...
qed
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@Rilokilee Please post the full image that this is cut from.
qed
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Please don't do that. That is not a scientific response.
Well it isn't real this is a crisis actor at a drill but it shows that it is difficult to tell the difference between real and fake injuries and unless you are the person that actually treated the patient you cannot know I think even medical professionals would have trouble telling the difference without examining a wound personally
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There is also a video which i can find a bit later where doctors/medical staff where told by police to bypass normal triage procedures and not clean the wounds because of bomb patterns but send boston bombing patients straight into surgery
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Do you have any evidence? Don't just post pictures and say it could be.
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deirdre
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no it isn't. his foot is right there. you really need to read the posting guidelines.
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What are you talking about? I just demonstrated how hard it is to tell whether a wound is real or faked to someone who is 100% sure that the injuries where real I had to deceive in order to prove my point which has been proven
Provide a link or this will be deleted.
You have been asked to provide evidence to support your claims. This is not a site to talk about what ifs but to remove bunk.
JRBids
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Armchair anthropology? People who were there were interviewed. It was filmed.
JRBids
Senior Member.
Asking what you believe is bullying? Why not confront us here? You obviously DOUBT the "official story" or you would not be asking the questions you are.
NoParty
Senior Member.
So you lied about a picture, hoping to trick people...
because your theory is that a single low-res image, out of context
can mis-lead gullible CT fans into believing that some
genuine victims are mysterious fakes? Bravo!
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