COVID-19 Coronavirus current events

qed

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In am in South Africa and failed to source a mask from a few pharmacies is tried. Where could I expect to find such a mask? A hardware store? Other than online.
 

Agent K

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In am in South Africa and failed to source a mask from a few pharmacies is tried. Where could I expect to find such a mask? A hardware store? Other than online.
Dust masks at hardware stores, medical masks at pharmacies.
 

Arugula

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Utah Jazz all-star Rudy Gobert tested positive for Coronavirus shortly before tonight's (3/11/19) game in Oklahoma City.

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He has been traveling with the team, playing in Boston on March 6th, Detroit on March 7th, and Salt Lake City on March 9th.
https://nba.nbcsports.com/2020/03/1...-recorder-questionable-for-jazz-game-illness/

However, apparently on Monday 3/9 while in Salt Lake City it appears he jokingly touched all the microphones in the conference room before leaving. I bet he is going to get a lot of flack for that joke.

Source: https://twitter.com/NewCuIture/status/1237917151916371970
 
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Agent K

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Fuel for conspiracy theories
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ronavirus-deliberations-sources-idUSKBN20Y2LM
There may be a legitimate reason for secrecy, to avoid this:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-plan-to-quarantine-16m-sparks-chaos-in-italy
 

Leifer

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Optimistically, I'm thinking that any US panic will be noticeable, but minimal. Overly worried people may become " Instant Preppers ".

If I get fair-warning that my area will be quarantined, Where else would I go ?
True, some people may escape, but do they have places, friends. or family to go to ?
Will friends or family "let" them stay with them if they just came from a quarantined area ?
Very few people have a summer cabin in the woods, stocked with supplies..

But yes, there is a danger that the virus could spread by untested people selfishly fleeing to new areas with formerly zero infections.
 
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GregMc

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Perhaps this deserves it's own thread. I've been sent links from relatives regarding claims the Novel Coronavirus originated in the USA rather than china such as https://www.globalresearch.ca/covid-19-further-evidence-virus-originated-us/5706078 I'm usually wary of anything coming from globalresearch . Is anyone sufficiently versed in virology to ascertain if these claims hold up to scrutiny?
The gist of the claims is that the genetic diversity of identified different strains and their geographic distribution suggest the virus originated somewhere other than china.
 

Arugula

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Perhaps this deserves it's own thread. I've been sent links from relatives regarding claims the Novel Coronavirus originated in the USA rather than china such as https://www.globalresearch.ca/covid-19-further-evidence-virus-originated-us/5706078 I'm usually wary of anything coming from globalresearch . Is anyone sufficiently versed in virology to ascertain if these claims hold up to scrutiny?
The gist of the claims is that the genetic diversity of identified different strains and their geographic distribution suggest the virus originated somewhere other than china.
Here is a joint statement of virologists who cite 10 studies of the genome that conclude the virus originated in wildlife: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30418-9/fulltext

 
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Mick West

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San Diego just formally banned gatherings of more than 250 people. This followed a strong (but not mandatory) advisory from the Californa Governor (Newsom).

https://www.countynewscenter.com/so...ore-positive-covid-19-cases-reported-locally/
My wife was in San Diego for a conference that ran through Sunday, but now she's coming back tomorrow (as they cancelled the conference after one day)
 
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Z.W. Wolf

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/12/americas/brazil-bolsonaro-coronavirus-aide-scli-intl/index.html


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Landru

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Philadelphia has banned gatherings of 1,000 or more. The St. Patrick's Day parade is canceled.
 

Mick West

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People get apparently get COVID-19 simply from being on the same bus as someone. Breathing the same air. Sometimes 30 minutes later.
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/sci...vel-twice-far-official-safe-distance-and-stay
Several passengers became infected during the four-hour bus journey.


I would not be at all surprised to find Trump has been tested. He's had a lot of contact with a lot of people, and he's in a pretty high risk age group.
 
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Mick West

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A variety of cities, states, and countries have similar bans now, with various differnt numerbers. Here's a smattering for a search for: "banned gatherings of over"

>100: Ohio
>250: San Diego County, Miami Beach, California [strong advisory], Seattle Area, Indiana, New Jersey
>500: New York
>1000 France, Switzerland, Santa Clara County, Berlin

That's certainly not all, and, of course, there's even more draconian measures in Italy and China.
 

derwoodii

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F1 grand prix car race in Melbourne has been canceled after a Mcclaen team member tested positive

https://www.news.com.au/sport/motor...t/news-story/059afed5a9efeb6ab30664315398b70f
and actor Tom Hanks and wife in isolation

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03...rita-wilson-film-industry-gold-coast/12050088

my daughter is in self isolation after returning from Japan then getting a light sniffle,, C19 testing results will take another 3-4 days
 

deirdre

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People get apparently get COVID-19 simply from being on the same bus as someone. Breathing the same air. Sometimes 30 minutes later.
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/sci...vel-twice-far-official-safe-distance-and-stay
Several passengers became infected during the four-hour bus journey.


I would not be at all surprised to find Trump has been tested. He's had a lot of contact with a lot of people, and he's in a pretty high risk age group.
that paper has been retracted. look under the first article pic.
 

Arugula

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The Chinese Hospital Authority is saying that Coronavirus patients may have reduced lung function - a drop of 20-30 percent - remaining even after they are discharged. There could be scarring or significant organ damage that occurs, and could turn into long-term health issues for patients who have recovered.

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong.../coronavirus-some-recovered-patients-may-have
 

derwoodii

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daughter who flew home from Japan holiday 8/9 days ago then got a slight sniffle & due to her job role she self isolated and got tested, the results back today negative,, the test results took 5 days
 

Agent K

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Alex Jones Is Told to Stop Selling Sham Anti-Coronavirus Toothpaste
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/nyregion/alex-jones-coronavirus-cure.html
 

qed

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Seems hacker are taking advantage too. Live Coronavirus Map Used to Spread Malware
Recently, however, cybercrooks have started disseminating real-time, accurate information about global infection rates tied to the Coronavirus/COVID-19 pandemic in a bid to infect computers with malicious software.

In one scheme, an interactive dashboard of Coronavirus infections and deaths produced by Johns Hopkins University is being used in malicious Web sites (and possibly spam emails) to spread password-stealing malware.

Late last month, a member of several Russian language cybercrime forums began selling a digital Coronavirus infection kit that uses the Hopkins interactive map as part of a Java-based malware deployment scheme. The kit costs $200 if the buyer already has a Java code signing certificate, and $700 if the buyer wishes to just use the seller’s certificate.
“It loads [a] fully working online map of Corona Virus infected areas and other data,” the seller explains. “Map is resizable, interactive, and has real time data from World Health Organization and other sources. Users will think that PreLoader is actually a map, so they will open it and will spread it to their friends and it goes viral!”
 

Ravi

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Just to share some going-around here in the Netherlands. President Rutte has shared a message to the people on tv. Our government choses to not fully lock up the country like in Italy/Spain. The choice is made to have a "distributed" way of tackling the issue. This means that the measures taken now (shops closed, etc), will make many more slowly immune and not all get sick at once. This strengthens (by immunity) the group/population to fight the virus, while the weak/old get enough support as the hospitalisation peaks are more "smeared out". Also medication and research can help along the way.

I only have a Dutch version of this, as it has just happened on tv.
https://www.nu.nl/coronavirus/60379...landers-zal-besmet-raken-met-coronavirus.html

some quotes:

"I don't have an easy message. The coronavirus is among us and will remain among us,"
The prime minister explained how the Netherlands will tackle the virus. As long as there is no vaccine, controlled group immunity should be built up.
Group immunity means that people who have had the virus will become immune. "The larger the group that is immune, the less likely the virus is to jump over to frail older people and those in poor health," said the prime minister.
However, it can take months, or even longer, for that group immunity to build up. "At that time, we need to shield people at greater risk as much as possible."
The measures that the government has taken attempt to control the virus as much as possible. "That leads to a controlled distribution, among groups that are least at risk."
and

The Netherlands will not be locked
According to Rutte, the scenario in which the whole of the Netherlands locks is too rigorous. "In that scenario, we would actually have to shut down our country for a year or even longer, with all its consequences."
 

Mendel

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ok. so unlike the contrail inserts, this youtube coronavirus insert kinda make sit look like this video is promoted by WHO. That's unsettling.
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Yeah, but it's supposed to work like the CT inserts, pointing everyone to reliable information who watches anything on the topic.

The problem with masks is that it's hard to use them correctly and effectively, and that we don't have enough of them to go around anyway. (Did you know you also need to protect your eyes?) So the proper strategy is to earmark the masks that we do have for medical personnel, where they're most needed, and teach the populace social distancing and proper hygiene, which hopefully works to reduce the overall infection rate to something more manageable (#flattenthecurve), and as a byproduct, hopefully cuts down on transmission of other infections as well, which a) lightens the load on hospitals, b) helps cut down on multi-infections, and c) is a helpful habit even when this crisis is over.
 
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Arugula

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It appears that a member of the Chinese foreign ministry appeared to have promoted the conspiracy theory that the US Army is behind the virus (citing the globalresearch.ca article discussed earlier in this thread)

Source: https://twitter.com/zlj517/status/1238111898828066823


Source: https://twitter.com/AmbLINSongtian/status/1239453193689587712

From what I can tell these are just posts from individuals - not the unilateral stance of the entire government of China. However, it appears to have ignited some hysteria and there seems to be a big push to brand COVID-19 the "Chinese Virus" in right wing circles.

Source: https://twitter.com/TeamTrump/status/1240317292946350081


Source: https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1239729631843975168


EDIT: I think this is the source Tucker is referring to: http://www.xinhuanet.com/2020-03/04/c_1125660473.htm - using google translate, this is what it actually says (it is written like an OP-ED). Google translate makes it hard to extract the tone of the article, however it appears as though he is mischaracterizing this article. The article seems to be urging people not to blame China, because China borne the brunt of the virus, and urging universal cooperation, because if China did what the US is doing, it would lead to things like drug stoppages. Yes, the article reads like propaganda, but that's still beside the point that Tucker is making.




There's also a claim to discredit the World Health Organization research & reporting, by saying "China" funds them. It's true that they do.... but so does the US, and every other member country. In the attached 2020-2021 budget China pays $26 million (12% of the total budget), while the US pays around $99 million (22% of budget). Here's a page about the assessed contributions from countries around the world: https://www.who.int/about/finances-accountability/funding/assessed-contributions/en/

Source: https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1240282791734054913


It is totally fair to point fingers at China or WHO for mishandling or misreporting about the virus, and there should be full, third party investigations to figure out exactly how this all started and whether critical information was distorted. But it's important to keep it in the broader perspective that we have a global health crisis happening right now, and WHO guidelines can help us mitigate it from getting worse.
 

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Rory

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I found this on a Discord discussion group. It is (paying) members only so the link probably doesnt work.
https://discordapp.com/channels/591281974652698625/637324979280805899
But the pic speaks for itself.
To note: the first picture is actually a page from a 2008 Sylvia Browne book, not Dean R. Koontz as stated. And for the second one, as well as not being in Wuhan but Shanghai, 500 miles away (as already pointed out), "Raccoon City" is only an anagram of "Corona" if you spell it wrong. Plus, in Resident Evil it's actually called "G-Virus", not "C virus".

Googling any of the keywords provides all the necessary details.
 
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Arugula

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what point is he making? he says China is musing about cutting off blah blah. and in your article they are musing about what would happen if they cut off drugs.
He said quote: "State propaganda is musing about cutting off drug exports to this country and killing Americans. That's not the behavior of a friendly nation, it's the behavior of a dangerous adversary."

To me that sounds like a distortion of that article. That article is about how China is not considering cutting exports, and instead enhancing their capability to meet US demand.
 

deirdre

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That article is about how China is not considering cutting exports,
But they could and they are letting us know they know it.
It's like if I said "I'm not going to, but I could dump your dog 3 states away because you let him bark all night."

While Tucker is a piece of work who often exaggerates for emotional effect, it does sound like a sort-of threat to me. (an illogical threat granted, they are complaining we are hurting their economy by banning tourism from all countries to China... so not selling us goods isn't going to help their economy much. )

But pointing out they could cut off our medical supplies isnt very friendly, in my opinion. I'm sure they were just venting though, everyone's tense these days.
 

Mendel

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There's also a claim to discredit the World Health Organization research & reporting, by saying "China" funds them. It's true that they do.... but so does the US, and every other member country. In the attached 2020-2021 budget China pays $26 million (12% of the total budget), while the US pays around $99 million (22% of budget). Here's a page about the assessed contributions from countries around the world: https://www.who.int/about/finances-accountability/funding/assessed-contributions/en/
That's just half the story. The voluntary contributions outstrip these "assessed contributions" (the "membership fees") by 3 to 1. You can look them up here: https://www.who.int/about/finances-accountability/funding/voluntary-contributions/en/
Here are some excerpts from 2017:
  • Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation $324 654 317
  • Bloomberg Family Foundation $14 314 000
  • Carter Center $5 470 000 (the ex-president)
  • GAVI Alliance $133 365 051 (alliance led by Bill&Melinda Gates Foundation)
  • United States of America $401 108 929 (voluntary)
  • China $10 584 499 (voluntary)
I've seen the opposite conspiracy theory mentioned, that the WHO is bowing to the interests of Bill Gates, who profits from that somehow (how??).

What the Chinese were possibly referring to:
Source: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-trump-us-cases-germany-carevac-a9403646.html
People here didn't like that too much. It's a nasty version of "America First", if true as reported.

I have also seen commenters trying to brand the epidemic as "Wuhan Virus" instead of using the name Covid-19, and it's upsetting to me.
 

Mendel

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Has anyone mentioned Tomas Puyo's medium.com article yet? I think it (or reasoning like it) was instrumental in precipitating the measures adopted by Germany on Monday, with other countries to follow suit. It's a long piece with many graphs, trying to teach that a) there's a large number of undetected cases, b) growth is exponential; c) if we do nothing, we'll be overwhelmed; d) the sooner we act, the better the outcome will be.
Source: https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca


Specifically, starting Monday, in Germany, we've been keeping open: grocery stores, farmer's markets, delivery services, pharmacies, drug stores, gas stations, banks and the mail, hairdressers, cleaners, newsagents, home improvement stores and garden stores and pet stores, and general health services. We've been closing pretty much everything else, pubs, culture, libraries, sports, clubs, schools, churches, specialized stores. There are to be no public gatherings of more than 10 people (excepting public transport and workplaces) and no private gatherings of more than 50. This is in force for a full month, until April 18th, and may be extended. There are also rules on how much you're allowed to visit retirement homes.
 
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