Conspiracy or Accident? Piece of 9/11 Airliner found by planned Islamic Center in NY

Adam

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I wonder. Could the piece have originally been on the roof and been dropped there in the process of removal? Could Someone then, considering its location and what else was happening, have said "Screw it. We'll come back for it later." And then either forgot about it or deliberately ignored it?

I also like George's observation. Seems really stupid to plant a piece where it will engender controversy and leave the means there to point out how it was done......unless.....How about this: The piece was planted by the CT bunch and the means of so doing was left there purposely to......start a CT! Just as logical a piece of backward reasoning don't you think?

It does seem ridiculous. Unless, I guess, the rope broke when the person was planting the evidence?
 

Mick West

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The rope does not even seem to be attached. I think it's probably just a piece of trash tossed down there later.

 
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F4Jock

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It does seem ridiculous. Unless, I guess, the rope broke when the person was planting the evidence?

Which indicates to me that it isn't a hoax because no one would be stupid enough to leave a smoking gun like that ..... UNLESS they wanted to create a conspiracy!
 

F4Jock

Senior Member.
The rope does not even seem to be attached. I think it's probably just a piece of trash tossed down there later.

Hard to say. Appears to be sort of twined into it, but had it either been being lowered or fished out you'd think there would be a knot......
 

Adam

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The rope does not even seem to be attached. I think it's probably just a piece of trash tossed down there later.


Which is another very obvious option. It could just be unrelated detritus that ended up on the landing gear. The alleyway has been described as trash-filled or whatever, so it seems a logical possibility.
 
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Mick West

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Here's an overhead view of the building from 2011, indicating where the door the cops are using is:

 
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Mick West

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And here's one from 2002. Quite a bit of work has been done on the roofs adjacent, probably lots of trash ended up in the spaces between buildings.
 
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F4Jock

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Ya know group, reexamining my feelings toward 9/11 I find I could easily be counted in that 81% because I believe that Saudi involvement was hidden or downplayed for obvious reasons. This belief, while it qualifies me for inclusion in the very broad definitions used in the polls and the somewhat ambiguous as to reason statements quoted however, doesn't require new study of the actual event.

See what I mean?
 

TEEJ

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The aircraft mechanism found behind the Ground Zero “mosque” site belongs to a Boeing 767 — the same model as the airliners used on 9/11 at the World Trade Center, police confirmed yesterday.


But aviation experts say a number stamped on the wreckage will likely not help determine which of the two 767s it came from.


That number — BOEING CSTG 65B84045 — is a “casting number” not unique to the part or to the plane, said Alan Lery of Turbo Resources International, an Arizona aircraft-parts seller.


It’s possible a number of parts on the mechanism have the same designation, he explained.


http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/serial_is_no_tell_tale_evidence_R8XHAhy7NSl2FxhQg3mhDM


An Engineer on Airliners has looked up the part in the 767 Parts Cat.


767 Illustrated Parts Catalog


Boeing Casting


Searching for "65B84045-1"


65B84045-1 .CLAMP
ACTUATOR INSTL-TE FLAP DRIVE POSITION NO.4 AND NO.5 27 - 51 - 05 001 50 3
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


65B84045-1 .CLAMP
ACTUATOR INSTL-POSITION NO.3 AND 6 TE FLAP DRIVE 27 - 51 - 11 001 30 3
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------




65B84045-1 .CLAMP
ACTUATOR INSTL-POSITION NO.2 AND 7 TE FLAP DRIVE 27 - 51 - 22 001 45 3
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------




65B84045-1 .CLAMP
ACTUATOR INSTL-POSITION NO. 1 AND 8 TE FLAP DRIVE 27 - 51 - 22 002 35 3


The chaps over there do a nice tie up with the following graphic.





http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/5748603/
 
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George B

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Ya know group, reexamining my feelings toward 9/11 I find I could easily be counted in that 81% because I believe that Saudi involvement was hidden or downplayed for obvious reasons. This belief, while it qualifies me for inclusion in the very broad definitions used in the polls and the somewhat ambiguous as to reason statements quoted however, doesn't require new study of the actual event.

See what I mean?
Hmmmm . . . why is a reexamination so unreasonable?
 

F4Jock

Senior Member.
Yes, I must have . . . you do want a reexamination then?

No George. I don't.

What I meant is that one could put me in the 81% of those who think our government is hiding something about 9/11 because I believe the investigating possible Saudi government involvement was generally given a politically motivated pass during the broader investigation. This does not mean that events didn't happen the way the have been described nor does it mean that my belief warrants a reexamination. All it means is that if asked about the government "hiding things" as in the poll above, my answer would likely be "Yes." The problem is that the poll doesn't ask "Why" or "What," thus it can lead one to the wrong statistical conclusion when citing it as a call for reopening the entire investigation.
 

Oxymoron

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Update on the rope

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/29/us/new-york-9-11-plane-part/index.html?hpt=hp_t3


He was probably going to sell it to China but couldn't get it out... so he thought to himself... I know, I'll leave the rope on and start a conspiracy theory:)

18" gap 17" inch part...hole in one...that is pretty amazing but I suppose taken in context it is just a fluke.
 

joelb79

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He was probably going to sell it to China but couldn't get it out... so he thought to himself... I know, I'll leave the rope on and start a conspiracy theory:)

18" gap 17" inch part...hole in one...that is pretty amazing but I suppose taken in context it is just a fluke.

Is that what this website is for now? Spewing new conspiracy theory when we debunk something like "The police used the rope to move the item for better view" then that means the police were trying to sell the part on the black market? Why are you still here Oxy? This kind of stuff isn't funny to me; its infuriating. I cannot believe I'm wasting brain cells on any of your posts.
 

Oxymoron

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Is that what this website is for now? Spewing new conspiracy theory when we debunk something like "The police used the rope to move the item for better view" then that means the police were trying to sell the part on the black market? Why are you still here Oxy? This kind of stuff isn't funny to me; its infuriating. I cannot believe I'm wasting brain cells on any of your posts.

So what would you like then... to just sit their typing away about how silly these conspiracists are... agreeing with each other and no dissent followed by posts like... 'Oh thank you so much, I was so frightened by all these conspiracy theories and you have shown them all to be liars and idiots... I am so grateful, I haven't slept for a week but now I will sleep peacefully and dream of fluffy little lambs'.

It was a satirical remark... get over it... I don't do it often.
 

joelb79

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So what would you like then... to just sit their typing away about how silly these conspiracists are... agreeing with each other and no dissent followed by posts like... 'Oh thank you so much, I was so frightened by all these conspiracy theories and you have shown them all to be liars and idiots... I am so grateful, I haven't slept for a week but now I will sleep peacefully and dream of fluffy little lambs'.

It was a satirical remark... get over it... I don't do it often.

You do it all the time. I won't get over it.. I'll just end up blocking you like most others have noted they are doing on these forums.
 

Oxymoron

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SR1419

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I would have thought the landing gear was recovered by now and more info available. Can't seem to find anything further.

You must not have looked very hard - it took me 3 minutes to find this info.

Apparently is wasn't even landing gear:

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2...nd-zero-is-identified-as-part-of-a-wing-flap/


This article has video of the removal:

http://news.msn.com/us/update-no-human-remains-found-with-9-11-plane-part


 

JRBids

Senior Member.
I wonder. Could the piece have originally been on the roof and been dropped there in the process of removal? Could Someone then, considering its location and what else was happening, have said "Screw it. We'll come back for it later." And then either forgot about it or deliberately ignored it?

I also like George's observation. Seems really stupid to plant a piece where it will engender controversy and leave the means there to point out how it was done......unless.....How about this: The piece was planted by the CT bunch and the means of so doing was left there purposely to......start a CT! Just as logical a piece of backward reasoning don't you think?

I really doubt anyone would "forget" such an object. It was obviously not known that anything was there.
 
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