deirdre
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i've had the 'my little pony' song stuck in my head since you wrote that comment. thanks a bunch.he was able to later identify as a huge spy balloon that can linger over an area for months:
i've had the 'my little pony' song stuck in my head since you wrote that comment. thanks a bunch.he was able to later identify as a huge spy balloon that can linger over an area for months:
Exactly. Though John says "in his book Rudnyk calculated the size of the objects".
Perhaps John could contact him and ask him how he arrived at the ground distance?
So his changing stories about finding the secret film has no evidence to back it up and is dubious at best and now you, johne, are showing that his calculations about multiple UFOs floating over heavily populated SoCal are also problematic. And he thinks there are long term spy balloons floating around (post #37).
How credible do you find him now?
And correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't get the impression that you posted this in the spirit of "Hey guys, this person is full of BS, please help me debunk him". I get the feeling that you post things like this as credible sources of UFO/paranormal information.
no offense, but you find all sorts of normal, everyday things hard to believe. you find it hard to believe the UFOs are balloons when you are literally looking at them with your own two eyes.I still find it hard to believe that he entirely made up the story about discovering the Gemini film canisters under the floor.
Well, I guess hubcaps-on-a-string and other such things should count as "craft", at least if there's a bit of effort in them...Whenever someone labels a UFO as a "craft," their claims are immediately suspect.
https://www.history.nasa.gov/SP-168/section3b.htmExternal Quote:Their cameras included not only the NASA-modified Hasselblad Model 500-C used successfully on previous flights, but also super-wide-angle Hasselblads with Zeiss Biogon 38-mm lenses and 70-mm space cameras with Xenotar 80-mm lenses.
http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case978.htmExternal Quote:Yet McDivitt himself has never made much of his sighting, however often he has politely retold the tale to fascinated audiences and interviewers. He remains of the mind that he saw some unidentified but still man-made piece of orbital debris. There is no evidence anybody took the slightest official notice, nor is there any record that the astronaut ever filed a UFO report with Project Blue Book.
I marked "agree" on that, on the grounds that I agree with the majority of the points. I agree that it is unclear how, or even if, he determined the distance to the objects. I agree that the points you mention, among others, makes one question his judgement.I still find it hard to believe that he entirely made up the story about discovering the Gemini film canisters under the floor.
I don't understand how he determined the distance to objects of unknown size from photos taken from a single viewpoint.
It is funny that he mistook a Pony balloon for some sort of spying device. Also on the face of it he seems rather paranoid about military planes near his house. It does make one question his judgement.
This a great story to analyze just on the face of it, never mind evidence or the changing details or the un-named other people involved. What is the actual story saying? At it's heart, it's a hero quest, or in Western Christan terms, a testimony or conversion story. Let's break it down:I still find it hard to believe that he entirely made up the story about discovering the Gemini film canisters under the floor.
you mean the hero myth isn't a troupe!? you just shattered my whole understanding of realityPlease read "troupe" as "trope".
Exactly. Though John says "in his book Rudnyk calculated the size of the objects".
Perhaps John could contact him and ask him how he arrived at the ground distance?
Humans are notoriously bad at estimating even medium distances without cues such as object size or observer motion.If the objects were that close [300 ft/100m] wouldn't he notice? They would be just across the intersection.
Article: Stereoscopic vision works most effectively for distances up to 18 feet. Beyond this distance, your brain starts using relative size and motion to determine depth.
Article: If an O[bserver] is presented with unfamiliar objects in a situation where secondary cues to distance are lacking (e .g., an otherwise completely dark room), his judgments of size and distance are not reliably related to the actual sizes and distances of the objects.
It is not simply that such judgments are inaccurate, but rather that their variability, both between and within as, is so large as to make it virtually impossible to establish psychophysical functions.
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I got a reply from Marian Rudnyk. He confirmed that he just estimated the distance by eye given his knowledge of the local area, the cloud deck heights and reference landmarks.
For me the jury is still out!Thanks for doing that: it's always good, if we can, to go to the source.
As pointed out above - and as common sense should tell us - I would propose that those estimates are basically worthless.
I wonder where that leaves this case - and Rudnyk's credibility - then?
This is a masterpiece. And now this guy is in the news again, making all kinds of wild claims that he's being followed and threatened...apparently NASA has a very slow acting and lazy league of assassins working for it who allow people actively spreading alarming info about their clients to openly work and hold conferences for 30 years...This a great story to analyze just on the face of it, never mind evidence or the changing details or the un-named other people involved. What is the actual story saying? At it's heart, it's a hero quest, or in Western Christan terms, a testimony or conversion story. Let's break it down:
1. The hero and the troupe.
It starts with our hero finding the film cans. Finding a lost or secret treasure or knowledge is a standard plot device used all the time. The discovery will start our hero on his path to conversion. It's a troupe. And where does he find the treasure, in storage room or locker? No, he has to rip up the carpet and go down in the crawl space of the building. This is Gilgamesh or Aeneous going into the underworld. Our hero has to go into the bowels of the JPL to discover the secret treasure. After finding it though, he's not too sure what he has, but that's ok because now comes:
2. The Oracle and the Grimoire.
Our hero learns about the significance of the treasure (film) from the Oracle, the keeper of secret wisdom. In this case, it's the coworker/friend that's into UFOlogy. And he has a Grimoire to help understand the treasure, that is, a notebook that apparently lists all the films taken from the Gemini spacecrafts and where to find pictures of UFOs on the films according to UFO lore. He's the keeper of secrets and the ancient written wisdom the explains the treasure. And what is revealed? The need to quest on:
3. The Conversion and Quest:
Turns out the treasure creates more questions than answers. The frames mentioned in the notebook have been removed. The treasure is incomplete, evil forces (government) have conspired to hide the truth and even this incomplete treasure is too valuable and has to be confiscated and once again hidden away. Yet, these hidden truths reveal the greater truth. There is yet more secret knowledge to obtain. Our hero is now converted, in modern speech he has swallowed the Red pill. He now moves on like Sir Galahad searching for the Grail and spreading the gospel of UFOlogy.
On a side note, it's full of other clever devices to make it nearly unfalsifiable and timeless. The sceptic is asked to prove a negative. We can show that, according to historical records is very unlikely that there would have been Gemini films at JPL, but it can't be proven. We can probably find all the photos taken by the Gemini crafts archived somewhere, but he has already said the evidence is missing.
He never actually saw any UFO pictures, therefore he's not locked into any particular UFO/alien zeitgeist. Had he said he saw pictures of flying saucers with little green men back then and now we know the aliens are grey and travel in tic-tacs, it would have dated his story. But he didn't see anything, so what he did not see can be applied to any scenario.
It probably has nothing to do with the fact that a whistleblower making all kinds of wild claims that he's beingAnd now this guy is in the news again, making all kinds of wild claims that he's being followed and threatened...
dated May 8, 2022 — none of this is new.he has an image up on twitter he alleges is of an MIB agent explicitly threatening him at a restaurant....an IMAGE
Article: These actions have been taken out of concern for national security considerations.
dated May 8, 2022 — none of this is new.
I'm actually thankful that they've learned to protect the privacy of innocent bystanders.
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Source: https://twitter.com/MarianRudnyk/status/1693020986126332309
"Be sure to patrol the foothills and canyons afterwards, as if you were searching for someone, so that he doesn't get the impression it's about him.""note that the pilot is looking directly at me" is so on brand. The pilot is literally like 6 pixels. How did this conversation at the illuminati go-"this ex-astronomer makes posts and gives talks we don't like, rather than just heart attack gun him let's send a helicopter to buzz his house".
He posted a video on twitter the other day allegedly showing a MIB helicopter "harassing" him...by just circling overhead a couple of times. In replies to comments about the helicopter being registered to the police dept, he said the MIB can just take the police helicopters whenever they want to attack him. It took me 2 seconds on google to find there was a police chase around the area at the same time he filmed the helicopter.EVERYTHING about these images screams that this man invents grandiose narratives around mundane happenings in his life.
He posted a video on twitter the other day allegedly showing a MIB helicopter "harassing" him...by just circling overhead a couple of times. In replies to comments about the helicopter being registered to the police dept, he said the MIB can just take the police helicopters whenever they want to attack him. It took me 2 seconds on google to find there was a police chase around the area at the same time he filmed the helicopter.
Source: https://twitter.com/MonkeeSage/status/1692078125637660799
Proven via 2:16:The geometer in me noticed that the video[*] begins with a view of the front left of the chopper, then the front, then the front right, then the right, then the rear right, then the rear, then the rear left. The commentary then has the wonderful phrase "he started circling me". Nope, that's it circling someone else. If he was circling you, you'd see the left, then the left, then the left, then the left, then the left, and then more of the left. Or, maybe the right, right, right, right, right, and right, if the pilot prefers clockwise.
External Quote:Notice the engine noise rev up as he speeds up to come at me yet again...
Proven via 2:16:
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0:42, there's a failure to recognize the Doppler effect, which makes the helicopter noise pitch up as it moved towards the listener; the engine rpm is not changing, it just sounds as if it does. Helicopters typically don't speed up by "revving the engine", but rather by adjusting the pitch of the blades via the cyclic and collective controls.
External Quote:Notice the engine noise rev up as he speeds up to come at me yet again...