Are All U.S. Government UFO Projects Linked to Skinwalker Ranch?

[NorCal Dave]

As I continued to look into AAWSAP, and I was finding people like Col. John Alexander, I was also following the treads about T. Taylors attempt to find a range for the gimbal using heat signatures and the on-going thread about some of the drones being photographed being in fact just bokeh of stars, I was struck by the fact that Taylor and Alexander were both associated with Skinwalker Ranch.

It turned out that Taylor was the lead scientist on the UAP Task Force and that Alexander ran a mid '80s unofficial UFO study group in the DoD before hooking up with Robert Bigelow's National Institute for Discovery Science (NIDS)

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/re...nd-range-and-temp-to-of-the-gimbal-uap.12486/
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/pyramid-ufos-in-night-vision-footage-maybe-bokeh.11695/

In the case of drones as bokeh, as it became likely that the UAP Task Force seemed to misidentify stars as drones, it prompted member @LilWabbit to opine:

In that case we have evidence of incompetence continuing to plague the UAPTF which, unfortunately, is allowed to wield the "Pentagon" stamp. I was hoping for a shift to professionalism after last year's probe and revamp.

Post #240.

Something, I think we can all agree on, but now that it seems that Jay Stratton was running the UAPTF, and he is likely the person identified as Johnathan Axelrod in the book Skinwalkers at the Pentagon discussed in this thread: https://www.metabunk.org/threads/the-origins-of-aawsap.12484 ,it seems that the UAPTF was nothing more than an ongoing program, led by and employing, members of the Skinwalker Ranch gang. Why would we expect anything better?

While I can't quite draw a straight-line form Col. Alexander's ATPP to NIDS to AAWSAP to AATIP to the UAPTF through the Utah desert. I was able to put together a rudimentary Venn diagram that shows that many of the people in charge of studying UFO/UAPs for the military are all connected to Skinwalker Ranch.

I chose 3 areas:

GOVERNMENT: Anyone who worked, or claimed to work for US Government directly, or as a contractor, in fields involving UFOs, paranormal and Psi research.

UFOLOGISTS: Any writer, speaker, YouTuber, and the like that either directly implicates aliens and alien tech as the source of UFO/UAPs, or those that often default to explanations that involve more exotic and strange answers as opposed to mundane ones.

SKINWALKER RANCH: A 512-acre ranch in Northeast Utah, where prior to being bought by Terry Sherman in 1994, not much happened, but Sherman's strange stories where hyped by George Knapp, and it was bought by Bigelow. Bigelow then brought his National Institute of Discovery Science (NIDS) to the ranch, headed by Colm Kelleher and Eric Davis.

Obviously there could be lots of other people on here, but the main point, is that many of the people who were involved with UFO/UAP investigations for the government, officially or as a side gig appear in the middle of the diagram. The possible exception may be Elizondo, in that he still refuses to talk about the Ranch and whether he was there or not.

More importantly, according to Knapp, Jay Stratton was running the UAPTF unofficially long before congress got involved, and he brought in Travis Taylor. If Stratton is in fact J. Axelrod in Lacatski's book, he's as steeped in Skinwalker Ranch lore as anyone. The guy running the UAPTF, was relating stories of werewolves in suburban Virginia.


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Alexander kicked it off in the mid '80s and later became involved with Bigelow and the Ranch, as mentioned in the tread about the Origens of AWWSAP. Elizondo knew of him and he seems to be the guy that brings Eric Davis into the fold:

In 1985, Alexander founded the Advanced Theoretical Physics Project, an informal cadre of "government officials" (including "people from the Army, Navy, and Air Force, plus several from the defense aerospace industries and some members from the Intelligence Community") who "took it upon themselves to find out whether there was a secret federal UFO project." Although Alexander restricted membership in the group to invitees with a demonstrable interest in the phenomenon and a minimum security clearance of Top Secret-SCI at SI-TK in the hope that "those involved [in a black program on UFOs] would probably be willing to work with a group that had appropriate clearances and could help disseminate information," the group ultimately concluded that "there was no program" and that information collection among the military, Intelligence Community and other federal agencies "was pretty much ad hoc."[6] At the 2011 MUFON Symposium, Alexander's speech on UFOs was jeered by attendees after he denied all government related conspiracies, and all claims of government "silencing" or harassment.[7]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_B._Alexander

He is a former Pentagon insider and expert on UFOs and the potential use of remote viewing, psychokinesis, and other psychic skills in military operations. Dubbed by Luis Elizondo "a Godfather of everything weird and spooky at the Pentagon," he is a colleague and friend of Davis from NIDS and Skinwalker Ranch days.

Responding to Davis´s revelations, Col. Alexander told the author:

"In short, I agree with Eric. We worked together when he was with NIDS. Think I referred him to Bob [Bigelow] to get hired. As we discussed [in an earlier interview with the author], the objects are not made by humans. That said, the ET hypothesis is too simple. Trying to raise the complexity issues with [the general public is well beyond their comprehension—so simply stating "not man-made" should meet the needs of most people."

https://besacenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/183web-UPDATED.pdf

By the time NIDS was folding in 2004, Davis' Warp Drive Metrics was collecting $20,000 from the DoD for a paper on teleportation:

To find out, the propulsion research lab at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio — the same cutting-edge lab that helped bring stealth technology and lasers to the Air Force — commissioned a study.

"We have to be looking well into the future, not just the needs of tomorrow or even next year," says Col. Mike Heil, who directs the laboratory. "We're looking at perhaps 30 years."

The Air Force paid $25,000 to a researcher at a company in Las Vegas called Warp Drive Metrics.

What they got back was 78 pagesof mathematical calculations and diagrams. And after much talk of "wormholes" and "parallel universes," came a conclusion: "We are still very far away from being able to entangle and teleport human beings and bulk inanimate objects," reads page 46 of the report (PDF file).

In other words, says Heil: "The concept of transporting any large amount of matter is highly impractical and looks to be highly impractical well into the future."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/wbna6940417


Around 2007-08 James Lecatski has a vision at Skinwalker Ranch and works with Bigelow and Senator Hary Reid and sets up AWWSAP with $22 dollars of funding to study UAPs and other strange stuff, including Skinwalker Ranch:

Abruptly, Lacatski was transfixed by something behind where Bigelow and the couple were chatting: an unearthly technological device had suddenly and silently appeared out of nowhere in the adjacent kitchen. It looked to be a complex semi-opaque, yellowish, tubular structure. Lacatski said nothing but stared at the object, which was hovering silently. He looked away, looked back, and there it still was. It remained visible to Lacatski for no more than 30 seconds before vanishing on the spot.

As shown in HHM402-08-R-0211, Lacatski placed the following statement of objectives for the new Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program (AAWSAP) into the solicitation. The name of the program was specifically chosen to assist in the routing of new congressional money to DWO. This is a crucial point because the use of any other name, for example AATIP, would have been problematic, as the routing of the money would not have gone to DWO.

Kelleher, Colm A.. Skinwalkers at the Pentagon: An Insiders' Account of the Secret Government UFO Program. RTMA, LLC. Kindle Edition.

Lacatski runs AAWSAP from his office at DOW. He works with a Johnathan Axelrod, who in addition to having paranormal experiences at Skinwalker Ranch and at home in Virgina, is the lead investigator of the Nimitz/FLIR incident:

Later, an even more bizarre event with strong links to the Skinwalker Ranch erupted in the Axelrod home. Again, Jonathan was out of town on a work assignment. It was after midnight, and Ruth had turned off all the lights in the kitchen and was preparing to go upstairs when her eye caught a movement out in the yard. She walked over to the window for a better look, then froze as she witnessed one of the most bizarre sights she had ever beheld. Standing upright and leaning against one of the trees at the perimeter of her yard was a huge wolf-like creature. She saw the creature plainly in the dim night light. It had long hair and looked like a wolf. But it was standing on two legs. Ruth stood paralyzed, feeling both confusion and a kind of dread.

Since the Tic Tac investigation was initiated and executed by AAWSAP BAASS, Axelrod's 13-page report was one of the 100 reports AAWSAP submitted to the Defense Intelligence Agency.

Kelleher, Colm A.. Skinwalkers at the Pentagon: An Insiders' Account of the Secret Government UFO Program. RTMA, LLC. Kindle Edition.

After AWWSAP loses funding after FY2012it's unclear exactly what happened. Lacatski claims to have tried to get funding until his retirement in 2016. Elizondo claims to have taken over AAWSAP and renamed it AATIP and continued on.

George Knapp claims that at some point Jay Stratton aka Johnathan Axelrod continued something like AWWSAP/AATIP as the UAPTF. In any event, if true, then right up to and including, the Congressional report on UAPs, the main people involved are all connected to supposed paranormal activities at Skinwalker Ranch.

Here is Knapp talking about Stratton and Taylor:

As a scientific prodigy, Taylor earned advanced degrees at a young age and has spent his entire adult life working on classified projects, first for the U.S. Army, then for defense contractors. He wrote a book about how the U.S. government should prepare for alien contact which caught the attention of Jay Stratton, a high-ranking intelligence official who has been involved with each of the Pentagon's Secretive UFO investigations including AAWSAP, the largest UFO program of all, managed by the Defense Intelligence Agency, based at Bigelow Aerospace in Las Vegas, funded with $22 million secured by late U.S. Sen. Harry Reid. Stratton worked with AAWSAP, then its successor program AATIP. Later, he took charge of a third effort, the UAP Task Force, long before Congress formally created that team.

"Jay Stratton, the director of the UAP Task Force asked me if I would be interested in being the chief scientist," Taylor said. "And I was like, yeah, absolutely. Of course I would."

https://www.8newsnow.com/i-team/i-t...blicly-for-the-first-time-on-decades-of-work/

 

[Mendel]

Mick's thread on UAPs, Bigelow, and the "Invisible College" is relevant here.

I'm opening this thread to a broader discussion than normal to look into the concept that a relatively small number of people, with varying degrees of belief in the supernatural, specifically Jacque Vallée, Hal Puthoff, Robert Bigelow, George Knapp, and others have provided much of the driving force behind the current UAP flap.

I recommend reading Colavito's article, and/or watching my interview with him before proceeding.

At the center of this web, we really keep coming back to Bigelow. It's quite hard to find any aspect of the story that is not connected by one or two hops to him. Bigelow owned Skinwalker. Bigelow got the contract for AATIP from Harry Reid who was introduced to UFOlogy by George Knapp. Bigelow's paranormal investigation arm NIDS became the single UFO reporting site for the FAA before 2002. Leslie Kean (one writer on NYT's first AATIP story) is now on a panel of Judges with Hal Puthoff, for Bigelow's Institute of Consciousness studies. Vallée (whose involvement goes back to the 1960s) has most recently been studying "metamaterials" for Bigelow and TTSA, as reported on by George Knapp.

@Luis Cayetano made a diagram relating people and organisations—actually several as the thread went on—, your Skinwalker, AATIP and UAPTF connections can probably be added?

Speaking of this AATIP/Bigelow/Invisible College saga, here is an association chart I've made showing some of the relationships among the various players. Feedback welcome (other charts can be found here):
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Latest chart in case anyone is interested:

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https://www.ufologyiscorrupt.com/post/mapping-the-ufo-scene-using-association-charts

 

[Mendel]

Who is the director of AOIMSG?

 

[LilWabbit]

Who is the director of AOIMSG?

Brennan McKernan. He presented the UAP report last year to the Congress.

 

[Mendel]

Brennan McKernan. He presented the UAP report last year to the Congress.

McKernan was the UAPTF director. I see nothing on that Wikipedia page about the AOIMSG director.

From the May 17 Congress hearing:

Mr. Moultrie: And, as you have stated, we have been assigned that task to actually stand up the office, the AOIMSG, which I believe the name, sir, will likely change. But we have moved forward.
In terms of moving to establish that office, we have, as of this week, picked the Director for that effort, very established and accomplished individual.

If McKernan had continued to be the director, there would be no need to wait 6 months to pick him again, and no need to not name him.

 

[LilWabbit]

McKernan was the UAPTF director. I see nothing on that Wikipedia page about the AOIMSG director.

From the May 17 Congress hearing:

Mr. Moultrie: And, as you have stated, we have been assigned that task to actually stand up the office, the AOIMSG, which I believe the name, sir, will likely change. But we have moved forward.
In terms of moving to establish that office, we have, as of this week, picked the Director for that effort, very established and accomplished individual.

If McKernan had continued to be the director, there would be no need to wait 6 months to pick him again, and no need to not name him.

It's in the summary box in the top right hand corner of the page. However, it's true that the Wikipedia page doesn't provide reference to anything more authoritative on the matter.

 

[NorCal Dave]

@Luis Cayetano made a diagram relating people and organisations—actually several as the thread went on—, your Skinwalker, AATIP and UAPTF connections can probably be added?

I love Luis's diagrams and I was actually in contact with him when I was reading Lacatski's book about doing something with together.

The Venn diagram was a spur of the moment thing. After dodging COVID for 2 years, the wife and I got a mild case, so I wasn't feeling motivated to go out and work in triple digit heat around the homestead. I sat and read through Metabunk and kept looking into AAWSAP, and now, it's aftermath.

There is some interesting statements in the Congressional hearings. First, just keep all these names and offices straight, there is:

RONALD S. MOULTRIE, UNDER SECRETARY OF DEFENSE FOR INTELLIGENCE AND SECURITY
and
SCOTT W. BRAY, DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF NAVAL INTELLIGENCE

These are the guys at the recent hearings. As noted above Brennon McKernan was listed as the head of the official UAPTF and he presented the UAP report in May of 2021. But, in the hearings it was said (bold by me):

Almost 2 years ago, in August of 2020, Deputy Secretary of Defense Norquist directed the establishment of the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force within the Department of the Navy. The UAP Task Force was built on the foundation of the Navy's initial efforts to respond to the reports from our aviators on unidentified objects observed in our training ranges.

https://www.metabunk.org/attachments/hhrg-117-ig05-transcript-20220517-pdf.52121/

Which is basically what Lacatski's book says, noting that Axelrod took up what became AATIP and later the UAPTF (bold by me):

The creation of AAWSAP and its pioneering investigation of the Tic Tac case with Axelrod and team was directly responsible for the later establishment of a smaller, corollary effort, called AATIP inside the Pentagon that focused exclusively on UAP encounter incidents involving US military personnel. The small cadre of UFO-curious military personnel occasionally consulted some of the same scientists who had worked with NIDS and BAASS. The core of that group formed the basis for what became the UAP Task Force, formally created by Congress in the summer of 2020 (but which had already been operating for a few years, despite not having a budget, an office, or a formal name).

Kelleher, Colm A.. Skinwalkers at the Pentagon: An Insiders' Account of the Secret Government UFO Program (pp. 157-158). RTMA, LLC. Kindle Edition.

And Knapp and Taylor both say Jay Stratton came from AAWSAP and AATIP before going to head up the UAPTF:

Stratton worked with AAWSAP, then its successor program AATIP. Later, he took charge of a third effort, the UAP Task Force, long before Congress formally created that team.

"Jay Stratton, the director of the UAP Task Force asked me if I would be interested in being the chief scientist," Taylor said. "And I was like, yeah, absolutely. Of course I would."

https://www.8newsnow.com/i-team/i-t...blicly-for-the-first-time-on-decades-of-work/

The question is, was the Johnathan Axelrod of Lacatski's book, in fact Jay Stratton? As I've noted on the other thread about the book, Jason Colavito claims that they are the same people, but his doesn't give a source, or the hyperlink isn't working. However, from the book we get that Axelrod was with Naval intelligence and that he and Lacatski worked together in DC, he doesn't appear to be part of BAASS:

Jonathan Axelrod was the acknowledged leader of the trio. A senior aerospace engineer in Naval Intelligence, his career had already spanned an upward trajectory, and his calm demeanor and infectious sense of humor enabled him to move easily in Pentagon circles.

Kelleher, Colm A.. Skinwalkers at the Pentagon: An Insiders' Account of the Secret Government UFO Program (p. 1). RTMA, LLC. Kindle Edition.

The dinner was organized by Lacatski and Axelrod; it was the first attempt to bring the Las Vegas and East Coast arms of AAWSAP together.

Kelleher, Colm A.. Skinwalkers at the Pentagon: An Insiders' Account of the Secret Government UFO Program (p. 49). RTMA, LLC. Kindle Edition.

When we look at Mr. Stratton's bio page we see he is a Naval Intelligence officer who at one time worked at the DWO, which is where Lacatski ran AAWSAP from (bold by me):

Prior to this appointment, Mr. Stratton served as the Director of Intelligence (J2) with the Joint Warfare Analysis Center; Deputy Director Executive Support with Office of the Deputy Chief of Naval Operations for Information Warfare (N2N6); Director Air Warfare/SPEAR with the Nimitz Operational Intelligence Center, ONI; Chief of Air and Space Warfare, Defense Warning Office, Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA); Aerospace Engineer with ONI; Aerospace Engineer (Flight Test) with Naval Air Systems Command (NAVAIR)

;https://www.secnav.navy.mil/donhr/About/Senior-Executives/Biographies/Stratton, J.pdf

So again, if Stratton and Axelrod are the same person, then the guy running the UAPTF and that may have prepared the report, with Taylor, that McKernan presented, spent time at Skinwalker Ranch and thought that 7' tall wolves followed him home to Virginia. At least according to Lacatski's book.

 

[JMartJr]

Some others are also starting to ask questions about this stuff. Good.

...In addition to his TV work with Ancient Aliens, over the past 3 years Taylor has starred in a show called The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch. It takes place on a Utah ranch that claims to have a history of paranormal activity. Taylor told Knapp poltergeistlike entities from the ranch had followed him home to Alabama and caused mechanical mayhem. "My car has started and stopped itself," Taylor said. Once, after his car stuttered in his driveway, Taylor said he "looked up and there was an odd vortex in the clouds above my house."

Taylor's critics are simply astonished by what they call his antiscientific embrace of the supernatural—and the Pentagon's willingness to work with him. "I'm starting to see why [the government's] task force was so unsuccessful in identifying its UAPs!" wrote Robert Sheaffer, a UFO skeptic and author, on his blog.

Source: https://www.science.org/content/article/pentagon-ufo-study-led-researcher-who-believes-supernatural

 

[Mendel]

Some others are also starting to ask questions about this stuff.

"I'm starting to see why [the government's] task force was so unsuccessful in identifying its UAPs!"

regarding Travis Taylor failing at identification, see also
a) thread https://www.metabunk.org/threads/re...nd-range-and-temp-to-of-the-gimbal-uap.12486/ (GIMBAL UAP too hot to be distant)
b) https://www.metabunk.org/threads/ny...ncounter-with-unknown-object.9333/post-272978 and the following posts (GIMBAL UAP identifies as friendly)

 

[LilWabbit]

There's an opening at the AOIMSG. The vacancy details of a Senior Analysis Lead (@Mick West, interested in applying, closing date today?) who seems to be working directly with the AOIMSG director, mention one Col. Brian Kreitlow (USAF) as the primary PoC. Another vacancy of a lower level officer -- an Intelligence Operations Specialist -- mention Col. Kreitlow as the secondary PoC, implying the primary PoC for the lower position is in between Col. Kreitlow and the Specialist to be hired. It therefore stands to reason that Col. Kreitlow is the current Director of the AOIMSG.

A director with a USAF background makes sense in many ways, not the least of which is the official announcement in November 2022 where the DoD describes the AOIMSG having a broader mandate than the UAPTF and is therefore no longer confined to the Navy:

The AOIMSG will synchronize efforts across the Department and the broader U.S. government to detect, identify and attribute objects of interests in Special Use Airspace (SUA), and to assess and mitigate any associated threats to safety of flight and national security.

 

[NorCal Dave]

Some others are also starting to ask questions about this stuff. Good.

Yeah, a few. @Robert Sheaffer is a long time UFO debunker and sometimes member here

 

[NorCal Dave]

It therefore stands to reason that Col. Kreitlow is the current Director of the AOIMSG.

Or at least acting director maybe? I haven't come across his name in relation to the Skinwalker Ranch gang...yet.

Hopefully he doesn't hire Travis Taylor as the Senior Analysis Lead.

 

[Mendel]

There's an opening at the AOIMSG. The vacancy details of a Senior Analysis Lead (@Mick West, interested in applying, closing date today?) who seems to be working directly with the AOIMSG director, mention one Col. Brian Kreitlow (USAF) as the primary PoC. Another vacancy of a lower level officer -- an Intelligence Operations Specialist -- mention Col. Kreitlow as the secondary PoC, implying the primary PoC for the lower position is in between Col. Kreitlow and the Specialist to be hired. It therefore stands to reason that Col. Kreitlow is the current Director of the AOIMSG.

I disagree. The open date for the position is 3/16/2022, and we know from the hearing that they hadn't picked a director yet back then.

It's more likely Kreitlow works for AOIMexec, the group tasked to establish AOIMSG. Moultrie belongs to them, for example.

(For posterity, a screenshot of the job ad is at https://www.metabunk.org/threads/the-origins-of-aawsap.12484/#post-272632 ).

 

[LilWabbit]

Or at least acting director maybe? I haven't come across his name in relation to the Skinwalker Ranch gang...yet.

Hopefully he doesn't hire Travis Taylor as the Senior Analysis Lead.

Kreitlow's current title in his LinkedIn page is a vague 'Chief of Division'. Whatever that means.

 

[LilWabbit]

I disagree. The open date for the position is 3/16/2022, and we know from the hearing that they hadn't picked a director yet back then.

Or didn't want to announce it yet. The DoD November 2021 announcement reads in its last paragraph:

In coming weeks, the Department will issue implementing guidance, which will contain further details on the AOIMSG Director, organizational structure, authorities, and resourcing.

It's more likely Kreitlow works for AOIMSGexec, the group tasked to establish AOIMSG. Moultrie belongs to them, for example.

Or rather for the USD(I&S). According to the same announcement the AOIMEXEC is an oversight organ for the AOIMSG and mentions nothing about it being tasked to hire AOIMSG personnel directly:

To provide oversight of the AOIMSG, the Deputy Secretary also directed the USD(I&S) to lead an Airborne Object Identification and Management Executive Council (AOIMEXEC) to be comprised of DoD and Intelligence Community membership, and to offer a venue for U.S. government interagency representation.

If not the director of the AOIMSG, Col. Kreitlow is with the Office of the USD(I&S) which was tasked to establish the AOIMSG (in other words, the AOIMEXEC wasn't tasked to establish the AOIMSG) and to lead the AOIMEXEC (see the citations above and below):

Today, Deputy Secretary of Defense Kathleen Hicks, in close collaboration with the Director of National Intelligence, directed the Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence & Security to establish within the Office of the USD(I&S) the Airborne Object Identification and Management Synchronization Group (AOIMSG) as the successor to the U.S. Navy's Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force.

 

[LilWabbit]

Or at least acting director maybe? I haven't come across his name in relation to the Skinwalker Ranch gang...yet.

Hopefully he doesn't hire Travis Taylor as the Senior Analysis Lead.

At least the job title is a more sensible downgrade from 'Chief Scientist'.

 

[Mendel]

Or didn't want to announce it yet.

No. 20220517 hearing:

In terms of moving to establish that office, we have, as of this week, picked the Director for that effort, very established and accomplished individual.

It's unambiguous.

mentions nothing about it being tasked to hire AOIMSG personnel directly:

I disagree

Article:

Source: https://media.defense.gov/2021/Nov/23/2002898596/-1/-1/0/ESTABLISHMENT-OF-THE-AIRBORNE-OBJECT-IDENTIFICATION-AND-MANAGEMENT-SYNCHRONIZATION-GROUP.PDF

This is Moultrie. He leads AOIMexec and establishes AOIMSG.

Article:

Source: https://media.defense.gov/2021/Nov/23/2002898596/-1/-1/0/ESTABLISHMENT-OF-THE-AIRBORNE-OBJECT-IDENTIFICATION-AND-MANAGEMENT-SYNCHRONIZATION-GROUP.PDF

This sounds like "figure out the job descriptions and run the ads". The data collection lead has already been hired, I believe.

 

[LilWabbit]

No. 20220517 hearing:

In terms of moving to establish that office, we have, as of this week, picked the Director for that effort, very established and accomplished individual.

Thanks for sharing the above. In other words, like I said, they haven't announced the director "of the effort" by name which seems to be a matter of policy. They've only announced that one has been picked. In similar situations, often the person tasked to establish an office later assumes the position of directing it. Doesn't really contradict the Col. Kreitlow hypothesis but in fact adds it further credence since he's now supervising the hiring of lower level personnel (essentially 'his team') which is the case with most smaller government units in my experience.

I disagree

Article:

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Source: https://media.defense.gov/2021/Nov/23/2002898596/-1/-1/0/ESTABLISHMENT-OF-THE-AIRBORNE-OBJECT-IDENTIFICATION-AND-MANAGEMENT-SYNCHRONIZATION-GROUP.PDF

According to your citation, it's the Office of the USD(I&S) which was tasked to establish the AOIMSG (in other words, the AOIMEXEC wasn't tasked to establish the AOIMSG) and to lead the AOIMEXEC. Obviously both the AOIMSG and AOIMEXEC operate within the USD(I&S) which renders this discussion a tad meaningless.

This is Moultrie. He leads AOIMexec and establishes AOIMSG.

Article:

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Source: https://media.defense.gov/2021/Nov/23/2002898596/-1/-1/0/ESTABLISHMENT-OF-THE-AIRBORNE-OBJECT-IDENTIFICATION-AND-MANAGEMENT-SYNCHRONIZATION-GROUP.PDF

This sounds like "figure out the job descriptions and run the ads". The data collection lead has already been hired, I believe.

AOIMEXEC designating the Acting Director doesn't imply AOIMEXEC itself figuring out the details of the job descriptions or "running the ads" of AOIMSG personnel which, in similar circumstances in my experience, would be the task of the Acting Director with the approval of its supervisors (AOIMEXEC) of course.

It's possible the Acting Director (who seems to be Col. Kreitlow) is later picked as the Director. But it's also very possible it's not.

Fun little speculations.

 

[Z.W. Wolf]

Travis Taylor has a Walter O'Brien or L. Ron Hubbard vibe to him.

From wikipedia.

His father, Charles Taylor, worked as a machinist at Wyle Laboratories, which subcontracted for National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) in the 1960s, wherein he built America's first satellites directly with Wernher von Braun.[1][2] While in high school, Taylor's family moved to Somerville, near Huntsville, next door to an Army scientist.[2][3]

At 17 years old, with the help of his neighbor, he built a radio telescope that won the state science fair and placed sixth in the nation.[2][3] This led the Army to offer Taylor a job working at Redstone Arsenal on direct energy weapons systems directly out of high school as well as a scholarship.[2][4] Taylor is a black belt martial artist, a private pilot, a scuba diver, races mountain bikes, competed in triathlons, and has been the lead singer and rhythm guitarist of several hard rock bands.[5] Taylor lives near Huntsville with his wife Karen, daughter Kalista Jade, two dogs Stevie and Wesker, and his cat Kuro.

Taylor has worked on various programs for the United States Department of Defense and NASA for over sixteen years.[1][5][6] He is currently working on several advanced propulsion concepts, very large space telescopes, space-based beamed energy systems, high-energy lasers,[1] and next generation space launch concepts.[6] Taylor is also involved with multiple Human intelligence (HUMINT),[7] Imagery intelligence (IMINT),[8] Signals intelligence (SIGINT)[9] and Measurement and signature intelligence (MASINT)[8] concept studies.[6]

All the references seem to be from his own interviews or biographies from the wacky shows he's been on. According to him, he's some kind of superman/super genius.

What do we really know about him?

 

[jarlrmai]

It will be disappointing in one way if the AOIMSG

Travis Taylor has a Walter O'Brien or L. Ron Hubbard vibe to him.

From wikipedia.



All the references seem to be from his own interviews or biographies from the wacky shows he's been on. According to him, he's some kind of superman/super genius.

What do we really know about him?

Best insight would be to look at his publication history and read some peer reviews.

I think this is him

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Travis-Taylor-6

A quick browse shows some speculative work when he is the primary author, on solar sails and light sails. Then a lot of colabs on laser research.

 

[Z.W. Wolf]

He is currently working on several advanced propulsion concepts, very large space telescopes, space-based beamed energy systems, high-energy lasers,[1] and next generation space launch concepts.

Clearly inflated resume. No one would even have the time to be doing serious work on so many things. It seems that he writes some speculative articles and that is inflated to "currently working on." Simply means his names are on some papers. Two examples:

-Very large space telescopes - An article about maybe using meteor craters to build large radio telescopes.


Several advanced propulsion concepts -

The Artificial Inducement of a Local Space Warp Bubble Using a VEM Drive.

July 2018
DOI:10.2514/6.2018-4633

• Conference: 2018 Joint Propulsion Conference (Seems to be a speculative presentation at a convention)

 

[Ann K]

I ran into this article today about Bigelow, the owner of Skinwalker Ranch, which makes me think that money might have a lot to do with the interest governmental entities might have in the paranormal.

Space entrepreneur Robert Bigelow donated $10 million to the reelection campaign of Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis on Thursday, according to the Friends of Ron DeSantis.

Bigelow, the founder of Budget Suites of America, has also invested in other projects including Bigelow Aerospace and National Institute for Discovery Science.

The entrepreneur garnered attention after telling a "60 Minutes" host that he was "absolutely convinced" after she asked if he believed in aliens. Bigelow told the show that he believes aliens are "right under people's noses" on Earth.

Bigelow is a conservative Republican who previously offered words of support for former President Trump, according to The New York Times.

He has previously pledged to award large prizes to anyone who could provide evidence of an after life.

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brie...m-entrepreneur-who-said-aliens-were-on-earth/

 

[NorCal Dave]

I ran into this article today about Bigelow, the owner of Skinwalker Ranch, which makes me think that money might have a lot to do with the interest governmental entities might have in the paranormal.

He actually sold the ranch, at a tidy profit, a number of years ago. Seems all the hype made it worth quite a bit more (bold by me).

Cattle mutilations have been part of the folklore of the surrounding area for decades. When NIDSci founder Robert Bigelow purchased the ranch for $200,000, this was reportedly the result of his having been convinced by the stories of mutilations that included tales of strange lights and unusual impressions made in grass and soil told by the family of former ranch owner Terry Sherman.[6][7][8][9]

In 2016, Bigelow sold Skinwalker Ranch for $4.5 million[citation needed] to Adamantium Real Estate LLC. After this purchase, roads leading to the ranch were blocked, the perimeter was guarded by cameras and barbed wire, and signs were posted that aimed to prevent people from approaching the ranch.[16]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinwalker_Ranch

By all accounts, Bigelow is a true believer and, at least in the case of AAWSAP, the money was flowing the other way, into Bigelow's pockets. Although, that was after he had made a number of political contributions to Democratic Senator Harry Reid.

 

[Rick Robson]

I'd like to just give a heads up on what the US Government just announced these days, thanks to one more brilliant FOIA effort done by the prestigious researcher John Greenewald Jr (from The Black Vault.)

As it turns out, the DoD just announced a new UFO Office that has nothing to do with all the researches being carried out at the Skinwalker Ranch at all. No, this new office I'm talking about is called "All-domain Anomalous Resolution Office", it was just established to deal with the identification and research of "anomalous space, underwater and transmedium objects". As John pointed out, that's gold as paper trail for probably the most groundbreaking FOIA content to go for!

And, as it also regards to FOIA releases, another worth of note news for that matter is his discovery of an October 6, 2021 virtual event with the title: "Extreme Acceleration by UAP's", found in NASA's Internal UFO Communications:

https://www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/5-3-2022-5-29-43-AM.png

https://www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/5-3-2022-5-30-00-AM.png

I think that the only way for us general public to vindicate our right to know the truth on this still stigmatised and infamous UFO subject still is through FOIA requests, even with its heavily redacted releases and the government's increasing hindrances for that matter. I agree that private scientific endeavours are welcome -- like that by Garry Nolan and others -- but I bet that depending only on their efforts we won't ever get even half the picture of what actually has happened is happening now about this subject on the last 70 years or so.

 

[Rick Robson]

Travis Taylor has a Walter O'Brien or L. Ron Hubbard vibe to him.

From wikipedia.



All the references seem to be from his own interviews or biographies from the wacky shows he's been on. According to him, he's some kind of superman/super genius.

What do we really know about him?

This discussion about Trevis Taylor makes me wonder whether it's right to think that all those weird researches currently being done by him on Skinwalker Ranch, which he has been presenting at the History Channel, might be compromising his reputation, even more now that everyone knows he's the chief scientist of the Pentagon's UFO Task Force?
You know, for the most part those phenomena reported at Skinwalker Ranch are never prone to scientific scrutiny, regardless of whatever development stage science ever gets through. It's like trying to scientifically prove that ghosts are real.

 

[jarlrmai]

I'd like to just give a heads up on what the US Government just announced these days, thanks to one more brilliant FOIA effort done by the prestigious researcher John Greenewald Jr (from The Black Vault.)

As it turns out, the DoD just announced a new UFO Office that has nothing to do with all the researches being carried out at the Skinwalker Ranch at all. No, this new office I'm talking about is called "All-domain Anomalous Resolution Office", it was just established to deal with the identification and research of "anomalous space, underwater and transmedium objects". As John pointed out, that's gold as paper trail for probably the most groundbreaking FOIA content to go for!

And, as it also regards to FOIA releases, another worth of note news for that matter is his discovery of an October 6, 2021 virtual event with the title: "Extreme Acceleration by UAP's", found in NASA's Internal UFO Communications:

https://www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/5-3-2022-5-29-43-AM.png

https://www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/5-3-2022-5-30-00-AM.png

I think that the only way for us general public to vindicate our right to know the truth on this still stigmatised and infamous UFO subject still is through FOIA requests, even with its heavily redacted releases and the government's increasing hindrances for that matter. I agree that private scientific endeavours are welcome -- like that by Garry Nolan and others -- but I bet that depending only on their efforts we won't ever get even half the picture of what actually has happened is happening now about this subject on the last 70 years or so.

That NASA thing was basically Chris Mellon of TTSA etc using his influence to try and promote inside NASA the same videos we've been debunking.

 

[Rick Robson]

That NASA thing was basically Chris Mellon of TTSA etc using his influence to try and promote inside NASA the same videos we've been debunking.

Hey yea that's a good point to think about, albeit that's probably just a tiny and irrelevant fraction of the amount of videos examined on their internal briefings?

 

[Rick Robson]

That NASA thing was basically Chris Mellon of TTSA etc using his influence to try and promote inside NASA the same videos we've been debunking.

Just come to think about this again it feels interesting to me that Chris Mellon had "plans changed" (as he himself stated) implying that he did not attend to that virtual event whose invitation e-mail he went out of his way to call it "nothing burger", even though the presentation was attended by fourty-one people (none of them ufologists according to him) and drew interest of NASA personnel in looking into these UAP events. Nothing of public knowledge though, as well as concerning the obscure organisation that did the presentation of that virtual event (it was called "Space Transportation Association".)

 

[Mendel]

As it turns out, the DoD just announced a new UFO Office that has nothing to do with all the researches being carried out at the Skinwalker Ranch at all. No, this new office I'm talking about is called "All-domain Anomalous Resolution Office", it was just established to deal with the identification and research of "anomalous space, underwater and transmedium objects". As John pointed out, that's gold as paper trail for probably the most groundbreaking FOIA content to go for

I don't believe it.

 

[Rick Robson]

I don't believe it.
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With all due respect to those who have social media account(s), anything that goes on there is completely unknown to me. I do have a Google account that I use on YouTube, but that's all about it, sorry.

 

[Mendel]

With all due respect to those who have social media account(s), anything that goes on there is completely unknown to me. I do have a Google account that I use on YouTube, but that's all about it, sorry.

Yes. But that's the only thing that came up when I did a web search for that office, so I don't believe you when you assert it exists.

 

[jarlrmai]

Yes. But that's the only thing that came up when I did a web search for that office, so I don't believe you when you assert it exists.

https://www.defense.gov/News/Releas...-of-the-all-domain-anomaly-resolution-office/

AARO is a real thing, it looks like someone unconnected has renamed or setup a new Twitter account with the same name.

 

[Mendel]

"All-domain Anomalous Resolution Office"

https://www.defense.gov/News/Releas...-of-the-all-domain-anomaly-resolution-office/

All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office

"Anomalous" vs. "Anomaly".

Surprisingly, Robson had the same typo as that Twitter guy. (entirely avoidable by quoting sources, as per metabunk rules)

Official Twitter:

 

[Rick Robson]

All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office

"Anomalous" vs. "Anomaly".

Surprisingly, Robson had the same typo as that Twitter guy. (entirely avoidable by quoting sources, as per metabunk rules)

Official Twitter:
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Correct, that was my fault. In fact, I accidentally omitted the corresponding source link from theblackvault.com where I first read that news. I probably would have avoided that omission by putting the other news about that UAP virtual event invitation on a second, subsequent post. Besides that, I didn't notice I misread the term as it was originally written ("anomaly"). Sorry.

 

[Scaramanga]

As I continued to look into AAWSAP, and I was finding people like Col. John Alexander, I was also following the treads about T. Taylors attempt to find a range for the gimbal using heat signatures and the on-going thread about some of the drones being photographed being in fact just bokeh of stars, I was struck by the fact that Taylor and Alexander were both associated with Skinwalker Ranch.

It turned out that Taylor was the lead scientist on the UAP Task Force and that Alexander ran a mid '80s unofficial UFO study group in the DoD before hooking up with Robert Bigelow's National Institute for Discovery Science (NIDS)

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/re...nd-range-and-temp-to-of-the-gimbal-uap.12486/
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/pyramid-ufos-in-night-vision-footage-maybe-bokeh.11695/

In the case of drones as bokeh, as it became likely that the UAP Task Force seemed to misidentify stars as drones, it prompted member @LilWabbit to opine:

In that case we have evidence of incompetence continuing to plague the UAPTF which, unfortunately, is allowed to wield the "Pentagon" stamp. I was hoping for a shift to professionalism after last year's probe and revamp.

Post #240.

Something, I think we can all agree on, but now that it seems that Jay Stratton was running the UAPTF, and he is likely the person identified as Johnathan Axelrod in the book Skinwalkers at the Pentagon discussed in this thread: https://www.metabunk.org/threads/the-origins-of-aawsap.12484 ,it seems that the UAPTF was nothing more than an ongoing program, led by and employing, members of the Skinwalker Ranch gang. Why would we expect anything better?

While I can't quite draw a straight-line form Col. Alexander's ATPP to NIDS to AAWSAP to AATIP to the UAPTF through the Utah desert. I was able to put together a rudimentary Venn diagram that shows that many of the people in charge of studying UFO/UAPs for the military are all connected to Skinwalker Ranch.

I chose 3 areas:

GOVERNMENT: Anyone who worked, or claimed to work for US Government directly, or as a contractor, in fields involving UFOs, paranormal and Psi research.

UFOLOGISTS: Any writer, speaker, YouTuber, and the like that either directly implicates aliens and alien tech as the source of UFO/UAPs, or those that often default to explanations that involve more exotic and strange answers as opposed to mundane ones.

SKINWALKER RANCH: A 512-acre ranch in Northeast Utah, where prior to being bought by Terry Sherman in 1994, not much happened, but Sherman's strange stories where hyped by George Knapp, and it was bought by Bigelow. Bigelow then brought his National Institute of Discovery Science (NIDS) to the ranch, headed by Colm Kelleher and Eric Davis.

Obviously there could be lots of other people on here, but the main point, is that many of the people who were involved with UFO/UAP investigations for the government, officially or as a side gig appear in the middle of the diagram. The possible exception may be Elizondo, in that he still refuses to talk about the Ranch and whether he was there or not.

More importantly, according to Knapp, Jay Stratton was running the UAPTF unofficially long before congress got involved, and he brought in Travis Taylor. If Stratton is in fact J. Axelrod in Lacatski's book, he's as steeped in Skinwalker Ranch lore as anyone. The guy running the UAPTF, was relating stories of werewolves in suburban Virginia.


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Alexander kicked it off in the mid '80s and later became involved with Bigelow and the Ranch, as mentioned in the tread about the Origens of AWWSAP. Elizondo knew of him and he seems to be the guy that brings Eric Davis into the fold:

In 1985, Alexander founded the Advanced Theoretical Physics Project, an informal cadre of "government officials" (including "people from the Army, Navy, and Air Force, plus several from the defense aerospace industries and some members from the Intelligence Community") who "took it upon themselves to find out whether there was a secret federal UFO project." Although Alexander restricted membership in the group to invitees with a demonstrable interest in the phenomenon and a minimum security clearance of Top Secret-SCI at SI-TK in the hope that "those involved [in a black program on UFOs] would probably be willing to work with a group that had appropriate clearances and could help disseminate information," the group ultimately concluded that "there was no program" and that information collection among the military, Intelligence Community and other federal agencies "was pretty much ad hoc."[6] At the 2011 MUFON Symposium, Alexander's speech on UFOs was jeered by attendees after he denied all government related conspiracies, and all claims of government "silencing" or harassment.[7]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_B._Alexander

He is a former Pentagon insider and expert on UFOs and the potential use of remote viewing, psychokinesis, and other psychic skills in military operations. Dubbed by Luis Elizondo "a Godfather of everything weird and spooky at the Pentagon," he is a colleague and friend of Davis from NIDS and Skinwalker Ranch days.

Responding to Davis´s revelations, Col. Alexander told the author:

"In short, I agree with Eric. We worked together when he was with NIDS. Think I referred him to Bob [Bigelow] to get hired. As we discussed [in an earlier interview with the author], the objects are not made by humans. That said, the ET hypothesis is too simple. Trying to raise the complexity issues with [the general public is well beyond their comprehension—so simply stating "not man-made" should meet the needs of most people."

https://besacenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/183web-UPDATED.pdf

By the time NIDS was folding in 2004, Davis' Warp Drive Metrics was collecting $20,000 from the DoD for a paper on teleportation:

To find out, the propulsion research lab at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio — the same cutting-edge lab that helped bring stealth technology and lasers to the Air Force — commissioned a study.

"We have to be looking well into the future, not just the needs of tomorrow or even next year," says Col. Mike Heil, who directs the laboratory. "We're looking at perhaps 30 years."

The Air Force paid $25,000 to a researcher at a company in Las Vegas called Warp Drive Metrics.

What they got back was 78 pagesof mathematical calculations and diagrams. And after much talk of "wormholes" and "parallel universes," came a conclusion: "We are still very far away from being able to entangle and teleport human beings and bulk inanimate objects," reads page 46 of the report (PDF file).

In other words, says Heil: "The concept of transporting any large amount of matter is highly impractical and looks to be highly impractical well into the future."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/wbna6940417


Around 2007-08 James Lecatski has a vision at Skinwalker Ranch and works with Bigelow and Senator Hary Reid and sets up AWWSAP with $22 dollars of funding to study UAPs and other strange stuff, including Skinwalker Ranch:

Abruptly, Lacatski was transfixed by something behind where Bigelow and the couple were chatting: an unearthly technological device had suddenly and silently appeared out of nowhere in the adjacent kitchen. It looked to be a complex semi-opaque, yellowish, tubular structure. Lacatski said nothing but stared at the object, which was hovering silently. He looked away, looked back, and there it still was. It remained visible to Lacatski for no more than 30 seconds before vanishing on the spot.

As shown in HHM402-08-R-0211, Lacatski placed the following statement of objectives for the new Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program (AAWSAP) into the solicitation. The name of the program was specifically chosen to assist in the routing of new congressional money to DWO. This is a crucial point because the use of any other name, for example AATIP, would have been problematic, as the routing of the money would not have gone to DWO.

Kelleher, Colm A.. Skinwalkers at the Pentagon: An Insiders' Account of the Secret Government UFO Program. RTMA, LLC. Kindle Edition.

Lacatski runs AAWSAP from his office at DOW. He works with a Johnathan Axelrod, who in addition to having paranormal experiences at Skinwalker Ranch and at home in Virgina, is the lead investigator of the Nimitz/FLIR incident:

Later, an even more bizarre event with strong links to the Skinwalker Ranch erupted in the Axelrod home. Again, Jonathan was out of town on a work assignment. It was after midnight, and Ruth had turned off all the lights in the kitchen and was preparing to go upstairs when her eye caught a movement out in the yard. She walked over to the window for a better look, then froze as she witnessed one of the most bizarre sights she had ever beheld. Standing upright and leaning against one of the trees at the perimeter of her yard was a huge wolf-like creature. She saw the creature plainly in the dim night light. It had long hair and looked like a wolf. But it was standing on two legs. Ruth stood paralyzed, feeling both confusion and a kind of dread.

Since the Tic Tac investigation was initiated and executed by AAWSAP BAASS, Axelrod's 13-page report was one of the 100 reports AAWSAP submitted to the Defense Intelligence Agency.

Kelleher, Colm A.. Skinwalkers at the Pentagon: An Insiders' Account of the Secret Government UFO Program. RTMA, LLC. Kindle Edition.

After AWWSAP loses funding after FY2012it's unclear exactly what happened. Lacatski claims to have tried to get funding until his retirement in 2016. Elizondo claims to have taken over AAWSAP and renamed it AATIP and continued on.

George Knapp claims that at some point Jay Stratton aka Johnathan Axelrod continued something like AWWSAP/AATIP as the UAPTF. In any event, if true, then right up to and including, the Congressional report on UAPs, the main people involved are all connected to supposed paranormal activities at Skinwalker Ranch.

Here is Knapp talking about Stratton and Taylor:

As a scientific prodigy, Taylor earned advanced degrees at a young age and has spent his entire adult life working on classified projects, first for the U.S. Army, then for defense contractors. He wrote a book about how the U.S. government should prepare for alien contact which caught the attention of Jay Stratton, a high-ranking intelligence official who has been involved with each of the Pentagon's Secretive UFO investigations including AAWSAP, the largest UFO program of all, managed by the Defense Intelligence Agency, based at Bigelow Aerospace in Las Vegas, funded with $22 million secured by late U.S. Sen. Harry Reid. Stratton worked with AAWSAP, then its successor program AATIP. Later, he took charge of a third effort, the UAP Task Force, long before Congress formally created that team.

"Jay Stratton, the director of the UAP Task Force asked me if I would be interested in being the chief scientist," Taylor said. "And I was like, yeah, absolutely. Of course I would."

https://www.8newsnow.com/i-team/i-t...blicly-for-the-first-time-on-decades-of-work/

Sifting through all the evidence, it is clear that AATIP was never actually an official project in the first place. John Greenwalde has pretty much established so on The Black Vault, as has Steven Greenstreet of the New York Times. AATIP was more something Lue Elizondo did in his spare time...with the bulk of AWWSAP money going to Bigelow's investigation of skinwalkers. Whether anything ever actually happened at Skinwalker Ranch or was all just hyped up depends who one believes, but it seems clear to me that lack of anything happening is one reason Bigelow sold up.

So every time one reads of 'the government's $22 million AATIP investigation into UFOs' one is reading a myth. There was never $22 million thrown specifically at UFOs.

 

[NorCal Dave]

So every time one reads of 'the government's $22 million AATIP investigation into UFOs' one is reading a myth. There was never $22 million thrown specifically at UFOs.

Yep. Lacatski, who wrote and administered the AASWAP contract for the DoD and Kelleher, who ran BASS, the prime contractor for AASWAP, pretty much admit as much in their book.

Discussed here: https://www.metabunk.org/threads/the-origins-of-aawsap.12484/