"An Unconventional Shade of Grey" - Michael J. Murphy new Film

tadaaa

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That Everest attempt was the subject of an entertaining television documentary

I seem to remember the overwhelming problem was getting everything as light as possible
 

JRBids

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I see from the FB page he responded to Mick privately.
 

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Balance

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Listening to Michael on last night's Richie Allen show. He claims they've already gone up in aircraft and taken samples (did he publish results?). It was while they were involved with this that they met the paraglider pilot(s).

http://richieallen.podomatic.com/entry/2015-11-04T14_22_23-08_00 Michael joins the show at 23mins and mentions the sampling around 36mins ~ We took aircraft and sampling equipment into the sky along with a film crew. We got some baseline tests but we need more "agility" in terms of jets to get up into the trails - a single engined plane is not going to be effective for what we're doing.

Could see this becoming a debunkers meme; Michael J Murphy admits chemtrails is just speculation (35:30)

I do think both MJ and the Paragliders are using each other to promote themselves rather than this being a joint-project for the same goals.

ETA: Health Warning!! Don't listen to more of this radio show when eating breakfast. I just nearly choked to death laughing.
 

Hama Neggs

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NCSCA responds
https://www.facebook.com/ncsca2014/posts/655766261230045
https://archive.is/HMS5R
National Crime Scene Cleanup Association The reason why NCSCA is involved is because it involves hazardous materials potentially. The Association was one of the most qualified for the job also the reason why planes are not being used is because with internal gas combustion engines they will be creating carbon and other potentially discrediting variables in the testing the powered paragliders will be flying up upon reaching the chemtrails their engines will be turned off recorded by three separate cameras and they will hover around gliding collecting data that will be 100% unadultered by any variables such as leaded gas jet engines carbon admissions and hundreds of other materials that jets may have.
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So the concept of a plane flying forward and collecting samples from the "fresh" air in front is foreign to them? "hover around gliding" Seriously?? You turn off the engine on an overloaded powered paraglider and their glide ratio goes all to hell.
 
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Hama Neggs

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Listening to Michael on last night's Richie Allen show. He claims they've already gone up in aircraft and taken samples (did he publish results?). It was while they were involved with this that they met the paraglider pilot(s).

http://richieallen.podomatic.com/entry/2015-11-04T14_22_23-08_00 Michael joins the show at 23mins and mentions the sampling around 36mins ~ We took aircraft and sampling equipment into the sky along with a film crew. We got some baseline tests but we need more "agility" in terms of jets to get up into the trails - a single engined plane is not going to be effective for what we're doing.

Could see this becoming a debunkers meme; Michael J Murphy admits chemtrails is just speculation (35:30)

I do think both MJ and the Paragliders are using each other to promote themselves rather than this being a joint-project for the same goals.

ETA: Health Warning!! Don't listen to more of this radio show when eating breakfast. I just nearly choked to death laughing.

"Fibers" in Ohio brought up at 35 min.
 

Jay Reynolds

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So a single engine plane couldn't reach the trails at 30,000 feet because it was 'agile' enough, and now they are trying a paraglider (powered parachute)??????? Laughable indeed like something out of Monty Python. Could this be a joke to draw in only the most foolish people they can keep hooked on the line, or what?
 

Hama Neggs

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39 min in that show:

Were expecting the first couple of trails to be inert... um...ah... We're expecting them to just be spraying, you know, water up in those areas.
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He goes on to say that they will need to expand this testing program across the US and around the world. It's as if he KNOWS they will just find water.
 

Hama Neggs

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So a single engine plane couldn't reach the trails at 30,000 feet because it was 'agile' enough, and now they are trying a paraglider (powered parachute)??????? Laughable indeed like something out of Monty Python. Could this be a joke to draw in only the most foolish people they can keep hooked on the line, or what?

He says they will be able to reach the trails in "about 8-11 minutes."
 

Trailblazer

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From Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powered_paragliding

Due to the paramotor's slow forward speed, it must not be flown in conditions of high wind, turbulence, or intense thermal activity.
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Sounds rather non-ideal for trying to enter a jet contrail, to me.

He says they will be able to reach the trails in "about 8-11 minutes."

Here is a list of paramotor world records (Bear Grylls' claim was never officially ratified) http://www.fai.org/record-microlights-paramotors

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The fastest time for a paramotor to reach 6,000 metres (19,685ft, still well short of contrail height) is well over 1 hour! (The RWL sub-classes are for microlights, not paramotors).
 
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Mick West

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I doubt they really have FAA permission.
Here's a discussion of someone doing altitude flights, and the permissions they need:
http://www.ryanshaw.net/high-altitude-flights/
In order to fly at these high altitudes, I needed to get permission from the FAA. I also need to contact the Phoenix Sky Harbor Airport Tower each time I’m going to do a test flight. I have to give them at least 12 hours notice and tell them the approximate height I will be flying to. The morning of the flight they build a digital box around the area I will be flying. Any airplanes flying nearby will know to stay out of the box. I’m also flying with a portable collision avoidance device. This will allow me to see where any nearby aircraft are, what altitude they are at, the direction they are flying and also what their distance is to me. Someone on the ground has to be in contact with the tower while I am flying in case they need to relay any messages to me. If I plan to go over 21,000 feet, we also need to get clearance from Albuquerque Center.
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Landru

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Here's a discussion of someone doing altitude flights, and the permissions they need:
http://www.ryanshaw.net/high-altitude-flights/
In order to fly at these high altitudes, I needed to get permission from the FAA. I also need to contact the Phoenix Sky Harbor Airport Tower each time I’m going to do a test flight. I have to give them at least 12 hours notice and tell them the approximate height I will be flying to. The morning of the flight they build a digital box around the area I will be flying. Any airplanes flying nearby will know to stay out of the box. I’m also flying with a portable collision avoidance device. This will allow me to see where any nearby aircraft are, what altitude they are at, the direction they are flying and also what their distance is to me. Someone on the ground has to be in contact with the tower while I am flying in case they need to relay any messages to me. If I plan to go over 21,000 feet, we also need to get clearance from Albuquerque Center.
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Which means it is impossible to sample contrails.
 

Dan Page

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Judging by the picture, they seem to be showing that they are all ready and set to go, dressed up in their suits and oxygen rigs, radios, and whatnot. The motors look similar to the ones that Bear Grylls used to fly over Mt. Everest. They are now being produced in various iterations by Parajet. The motors are rotary and are supercharged, (which helps get over the lack of oxygen at 30000 ft) and come in models mostly without starter motors, all except one I think. They have to be started prior to takeoff by a ground starter, and if the motor fails in flight, you can't restart it. The airspace box that they will be in, will have to already have contrails in it before their time window starts, because after that there won't be any traffic allowed into their airspace box. They sure are gung ho and advertising this on the Twittersphere and likely on the geoengineering sites and Facebook etc. Will be interesting if they actually do this, hopefully there will be some oversite by person(s) with no bias one way or the other.


http://socalskywatch.net/2015/11/04/monumental-air-test-planned-to-examine-chemtrails/
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Dan Page

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The Hegelian dialectic; Problem, Reaction, Solution
Create the problem (droughts, floods, temperature fluctuations and other conditions leading to climate change) by geoengineering the planet.Reaction Gain public support by convincing the public that changes in our climate and weather are caused by Co2 Solution Tell the public that cutting back on Co2 emissions through taxation and control by a global authority is the solution to the problem. Because only a small percentage of the world population is aware of geoengineering programs and their effect on our climate, the global elite expects that most people will believe the Co2 argument and accept cap and trade and other oppressive schemes in order to solve the artificially created problem.Do to this, and because we can prove (through various atmospheric and other tests) that geoengineering has been occurring for several years and is not included in any climate models, we have the ability to prove that the change agenda is fraudulent and creates monetary and other damages to billions of people around the world.Therefore, we are collecting the names of potential plaintiffs for a class action lawsuit. We feel that this is the most effective way to stop geoengineering.http://geoengineeringactionnetwork.org/
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Wow, wonder how he came up with "The Hegelian dialectic; Problem, Reaction, Solution", makes it sound so sciency and official, Murphy is just ramping up the rhetoric. Followers will be telling everyone that will listen, about how the "proof" will finally be coming when they go up and take samples of the "chemtrails".
 

tadaaa

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the above geoengineering paragraph just seems a "whacky" attempt to simply deny climate change is happening.

I have often wondered what the motivation behind the whole "geoengineering" concept was as it seemed confusing

was it "stop messing with the planet by geoengineering - simply cut back on the primary cause of climate change - CO2"

or simply

"all this evidence for climate change, all the observed changes in climate, droughts etc are actually caused by an active geoengineering program, designed by and to promote - world government" meme

together with the inevitable "free market" mantra of untold economic damage, restrictive trade blah blah blah

it seems the latter, simply a different spin on the NWO claptrap
 

Ray Von Geezer

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Wow, wonder how he came up with "The Hegelian dialectic; Problem, Reaction, Solution", makes it sound so sciency and official, Murphy is just ramping up the rhetoric. Followers will be telling everyone that will listen, about how the "proof" will finally be coming when they go up and take samples of the "chemtrails".
From what I can tell David Icke was the one who brought "P-R-S" to popularity with conspiracy theorists, and it's now regularly used by the likes of him, Alex Jones etc. to explain how the PTB orchestrate almost every event.

By my interpretation it's more of a corruption of Hegel's rationale (although I admit a lot of the subtleties of it go way over my head), but from a CT standpoint it's perfect because it sounds clever, and to anyone whose unwilling/unable to actually apply some thought to it, it will almost always fit.

Terrorist attack -> Public shocked -> Government imposes restrictions - therefore Government orchestrated the Terrorist act

Where it falls down is that it "works backwards", as can be best illustrated by applying it to more mundane circumstances:-

Wife crashes my car -> I'm angry and upset -> I get a new car, and possibly some "special kisses" ;)
Boss makes my colleague redundant -> I'm upset because I now have to do more work -> boss boosts my wage

According to the CT use of P-R-S, both those sequences of events would implicate me in causing the original "problem", which is nonsense. Of course, people who are prone to conspiracy theorist thinking won't look that deeply into it, so P-R-S is a perfect tool.

Ray Von
 

deirdre

Senior Member.
The Hegelian dialectic; Problem, Reaction, Solution
Create the problem (droughts, floods, temperature fluctuations and other conditions leading to climate change) by geoengineering the planet.Reaction Gain public support by convincing the public that changes in our climate and weather are caused by Co2 Solution Tell the public that cutting back on Co2 emissions through taxation and control by a global authority is the solution to the problem. Because only a small percentage of the world population is aware of geoengineering programs and their effect on our climate, the global elite expects that most people will believe the Co2 argument and accept cap and trade and other oppressive schemes in order to solve the artificially created problem.Do to this, and because we can prove (through various atmospheric and other tests) that geoengineering has been occurring for several years and is not included in any climate models, we have the ability to prove that the change agenda is fraudulent and creates monetary and other damages to billions of people around the world.Therefore, we are collecting the names of potential plaintiffs for a class action lawsuit. We feel that this is the most effective way to stop geoengineering.http://geoengineeringactionnetwork.org/
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Wow, wonder how he came up with "The Hegelian dialectic; Problem, Reaction, Solution", makes it sound so sciency and official, Murphy is just ramping up the rhetoric. Followers will be telling everyone that will listen, about how the "proof" will finally be coming when they go up and take samples of the "chemtrails".
that makes no sense. all you have to do is create Big Pharma, create vaccines and disease cures to insure more people live and more people live longer. That would by default, create more CO2. You wouldnt even need 'geoengineering'. Plus geoengineering COSTS money, if you 'cure more diseases' you make money off the cure AND the carbon taxes, you create alot more jobs and look like a hero in the process.

duh.
 

JRBids

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The Hegelian dialectic; Problem, Reaction, Solution
Create the problem (droughts, floods, temperature fluctuations and other conditions leading to climate change) by geoengineering the planet.Reaction Gain public support by convincing the public that changes in our climate and weather are caused by Co2 Solution Tell the public that cutting back on Co2 emissions through taxation and control by a global authority is the solution to the problem. Because only a small percentage of the world population is aware of geoengineering programs and their effect on our climate, the global elite expects that most people will believe the Co2 argument and accept cap and trade and other oppressive schemes in order to solve the artificially created problem.Do to this, and because we can prove (through various atmospheric and other tests) that geoengineering has been occurring for several years and is not included in any climate models, we have the ability to prove that the change agenda is fraudulent and creates monetary and other damages to billions of people around the world.Therefore, we are collecting the names of potential plaintiffs for a class action lawsuit. We feel that this is the most effective way to stop geoengineering.http://geoengineeringactionnetwork.org/
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That is an awfully round about way to accomplish [something]. Create a problem, then solve it. But convince everyone the problem is naturally caused, and you have to tax them to fix it.
 

JRBids

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the above geoengineering paragraph just seems a "whacky" attempt to simply deny climate change is happening.

I have often wondered what the motivation behind the whole "geoengineering" concept was as it seemed confusing

was it "stop messing with the planet by geoengineering - simply cut back on the primary cause of climate change - CO2"

or simply

"all this evidence for climate change, all the observed changes in climate, droughts etc are actually caused by an active geoengineering program, designed by and to promote - world government" meme

together with the inevitable "free market" mantra of untold economic damage, restrictive trade blah blah blah

it seems the latter, simply a different spin on the NWO claptrap

I wonder where depopulation and the Georgia Guidestones falls in there.
 

Hama Neggs

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"all this evidence for climate change, all the observed changes in climate, droughts etc are actually caused by an active geoengineering program, designed by and to promote - world government" meme

I keep coming up against that question too. I THINK they are saying that geoengineering is taking place to try to stop global warming, which doesn't exist, but the geoengineering is having the OPPOSITE effect they say it was designed to have. Does that make "sense"?
 

Whitebeard

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As an aside, I never knew geese fly at 27,000ft!

Ray Von
oh yeah, those birds can get up there...
Rüppell's vulture has been found at heights up to 11,300 metres (37,000 feet). Vultures use their excellent eyesight to scan the landscape below from a relatively static aerial position. Instead of flying over a larger distance, they use elevation to expand their field of vision. If they spot a meal down below, the climb has an immediate payoff.
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The common crane has been recorded flying across the Himalayas at heights up to 10,000 metres (33,000 feet). This great height allows them to avoid eagles in the mountain passes
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_birds_by_flight_heights
 

Ray Von Geezer

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I keep coming up against that question too. I THINK they are saying that geoengineering is taking place to try to stop global warming, which doesn't exist, but the geoengineering is having the OPPOSITE effect they say it was designed to have. Does that make "sense"?
I think you made as much sense of it as it's possible to make.

Some of them take it even further. Ian Simpson has his "CO2 smokers" theory (as in "a stream of consciousness" rather than the scientific sense), where he simultaneously believes......

1. Global warming is a hoax perpetrated by the PTB to create panic and implement a "World government".
2. Geoengineering is being secretly carried out by the PTB to mitigate global warming.
3. The PTB are deliberately releasing CO2 into the atmosphere to inflate measurements (by spraying Diesel into plane engine exhausts to produce black smoke).

Logically there's no way all three of those things being true makes any sense, and the one that really makes no sense whatsoever is point 2. Somehow to Ian, it does.

Ray Von
 

benben

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But the believers still buy it all sadly :( I tried to convey the useful info from here to my chemtrail believing friends (one in particular, as he's waay down that rabbit hole) and this pops up on FB ...


"K, so...I befriended the Top Chemtrail Activists in the World, to try and bring awareness to my local friends about Geoengineering...And most are not even close to helping. I wish they could take the time to at least comment once in a while on the posts I share on here, so that you, my local friends can embark on this sinking ship we live on. But like you,...they're in their own bubble. I share their stuff, comment, etc., and in return...I basically get zilch help from them with my chemtrail posts...I know they're probably busy, but come on...Make an effort and help other chemtrail activists with this f*****g Crime Against Humanity!! It's not only about you/your posts...it's about every single one of us stopping this Genocide..."


That was basically directed at me lol, as I'm his last local friend who didn't delete him from FB ... and trust me, he's usually way way more harsh. And lately, lots of stuff supporting the 2nd amendment which is super strange since he's Canadian, so therefore doesn't apply to him.

Anyhoo, this is the effect believing in MJM and others like him has, so to all who post here, thank-you because it's one of the rare places where common sense and evidence actually matters ...
 

MikeG

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But the believers still buy it all sadly :( I tried to convey the useful info from here to my chemtrail believing friends (one in particular, as he's waay down that rabbit hole) and this pops up on FB ...


"K, so...I befriended the Top Chemtrail Activists in the World, to try and bring awareness to my local friends about Geoengineering...And most are not even close to helping. I wish they could take the time to at least comment once in a while on the posts I share on here, so that you, my local friends can embark on this sinking ship we live on. But like you,...they're in their own bubble. I share their stuff, comment, etc., and in return...I basically get zilch help from them with my chemtrail posts...I know they're probably busy, but come on...Make an effort and help other chemtrail activists with this f*****g Crime Against Humanity!! It's not only about you/your posts...it's about every single one of us stopping this Genocide..."


That was basically directed at me lol, as I'm his last local friend who didn't delete him from FB ... and trust me, he's usually way way more harsh. And lately, lots of stuff supporting the 2nd amendment which is super strange since he's Canadian, so therefore doesn't apply to him.

Anyhoo, this is the effect believing in MJM and others like him has, so to all who post here, thank-you because it's one of the rare places where common sense and evidence actually matters ...

You might like this thread. It may help with your friend.

https://www.metabunk.org/the-psychology-of-the-ct-believers.t841/

I can empathize. I get a regular stream of FB shares that actually don't include Michael Murphy, since his split with Dane Wigington.
 

benben

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thanks Mike, problem is he's become irrational and can't even entertain the thought that he's wrong ...

Now even his fellow "chemmies" are apparently distancing themselves from him,

ex: "Frustration Level -10-. See what I have to deal with??!! After 19 months of speaking/ posting against this insanity...Most of you won't get on board against this Genocide, and when I ask for help from World renowned Chemtrail activists...I get called a troll for doing so!! This is the 2nd time I'm called a troll by these so called "experts" in the field, for asking for help in bringing the truth to you, my friends...about this Crime Against Humanity!! Very frustrating!!

he used to be a good friend but it's hard to help with this kind of attitude :(
 
In regards to my brother Dane, the chemtrail community of believers has mostly replaced his actual life long friends and family members. Don't let yourself become frustrated benben, these people are for reasons of the way their specific minds process their reality are incapable of seeing the logic and common sense of the information you try and share with them. As long as there are contrails, there will always be those who believe in the many false ideas about them. On the other hand, the mass awakening the chemtrail believers hope for will never happen, because their various ideas are about things that do not exist.
 
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