1. Mathias Olsen

    Mathias Olsen New Member

    The theory is that a group of powerful people is hired by Monsanto and is controlling the governments view on said company. The theory names a lot of people, some more prominent then others as the source for this secret society.

    Of course lobbyist are known to be doing exactly this, changing governments viewpoints for there own benefit, so it is not the Monsanto lobbing aspect that is the reason for this debunking. The reason is that upon scrutiny the names mention don't hold up. None of these people worked at monsanto at the same time as working in the government. Furthermore I don't think any former job at any company prior to once position as a political figure is of any interested. Unless the person cannot separate his or hers political engagement from his or hers prior business, of course. But that is true for any business not only Monsanto. If ones involvement whit Monsanto in the past was a valid argument for not having the person in a political office, then so should it be for any person in politics with a prior workplace.

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    Toby Moffett was in house of representatives from 75-83. His career in Monsanto started i 1996 where he was chairman until 1999. (http://littlesis.org/person/43076/Toby_Moffett)

    Dennis DeConcini has never been hired by Monsanto. (http://www.opensecrets.org/revolving/rev_summary.php?id=11413)

    Margaret Miller (Margaret Ann Miller) career in the FDA is as following:
    "Margaret Ann Miller, Ph.D., RN joined the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA) Center for Veterinary Medicine in 1989. She held several positions within the Center for Veterinary Medicine including Deputy Director for Human Food Safety. In 1999, Dr. Miller moved to FDA’s Office of Women’s Health as the Manager of Science Programs. In 2005, she was detailed to the World Health Organization, where she again worked in the food safety arena. Upon her return from the World Health Organization, Dr. Miller joined FDA’s National Center for Toxicological Research as the Associate Director of Regulatory Activities where, among other duties, she serves as the Designated Federal Official for their Science Advisory Board." (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:L4_prdO7HLAJ:www.fda.gov/downloads/AdvisoryCommittees/AboutAdvisoryCommittees/CommitteeMembership/MembershipTypes/UCM211473.doc &cd=1&hl=da&ct=clnk&gl=dk&client=firefox-a)

    Margaret Ann Miller has as far as I could find never been associated with Monsanto.
    Mickey Kantor worked in the United States Department of Commerce as Secretary of Commerce from 1996 until 1997 and before that he was in the Office of the United States Trade Representative as a Trade Representative from 1993 until 1996. I have not been able to find any association with Monsanto, but Mickey Kantor has been lobbing for different companies. (http://www.opensecrets.org/revolvin...tp://littlesis.org/person/15855/Mickey_Kantor)

    Virginia Weldon "Dr. Virginia V. Weldon, M.D., served as Senior Vice President of Public Policy for the Monsanto Company in St. Louis, Missouri, an agro-chemicals and biotechnology (life sciences) company, from March 1989 until her retirement in March 1998. Dr. Weldon also served as Vice President of the Washington University Medical Center. She has been Chairman of the Board of the St. Louis Symphony Orchestra since 2000. Dr. Weldon serves as a Member of the Board of Directors of GenAmerica Financial Corp. Dr. Weldon served as a Director of CPI Corp., a consumer services entity focusing on portrait photography, since 2002. Dr. Weldon served as a Director of Quintiles Transnational Corp., since November 1997. Dr. Weldon served as a Member of the Board of GenAmerica Financial, LLC, a mutual insurance company, which is now a subsidiary of MetLife. Dr. Weldon serves as a Trustee of the California Institute of Technology. After her retirement from Monsanto, Dr. Weldon served as the Director of the Center for the Study of American Business at Washington University for two years. Prior to joining Monsanto, Dr. Weldon was Professor of Pediatrics and Deputy Vice Chancellor for Medical Affairs at Washington University School of Medicine and a professor of pediatrics.". (http://investing.businessweek.com/r...ICQ&previousCapId=29614&previousTitle=DIRECTV).

    Couldn't find any relations between Virginia Weldon and any government or political possitions. And I am not even sure what the position "Whitehouse CSA" is or should be. Unless it is the Cloud Security Agency, but that has nothing to do with either Monsanto or Virginia Weldon.

    Josh King
    "Josh King served as Director of Production for Presidential Events in the White House office of communications from 1993 to 1997. After leaving the white house Josh joined Monsanto Co. as director of international government affairs." (http://www.politico.com/arena/bio/josh_king.html)

    Devid Beler Couldn't find anything about him, nor anything about Al Gores Chief Policy Advisor. Closes thing was Ronald A. "Ron" Klain, who is chief adviser. Alternative spellings of David Beler(David Beller, David Belle), yielded nothing.

    Carol Tucker-Foreman(Carol Le Tucker Foreman)
    was on the board at the Consumer Federation of America(CFA) and acted as the CFA’s executive director from 1973 unitl 1977. The position Consumer Advocate is not an actual position. Carol Lee Tucker Foreman is often qouted as being an consumer advocate, which I belive is the reason behind her position in the theory. She has no relations to Monsanto. (http://supportagresearch.org/carol-lee-tucker-foreman/)

    Linda Fisher is the current vice president for DuPont Safety, Health & Environment and the chief sustainability officer. And as quite openly stated she has also held a number of positions in the political sphere:
    "Deputy Administrator of U.S. EPA; U.S. EPA Assistant Administrator - Office of Prevention, Pesticides and Toxic Substances; U.S. EPA Assistant Administrator - Office of Policy, Planning and Evaluation; and Chief of Staff to the U.S. EPA Administrator. Fisher, an attorney, was also vice president of Government Affairs for Monsanto and was "Of Counsel" with the law firm, Latham & Watkins."
    (http://www.dupont.com/corporate-fun...hip/executive-leadership/articles/fisher.html)

    Lidia Watrud works at the EPA and has published a number of reports. No connection with Monsanto.
    (http://www.pubfacts.com/author/Lidia Watrud)

    Michael Taylor "a former Monsanto executive, joined the F.D.A. in 2009 as “senior advisor to the commissioner.” He was a staff attorney and executive assistant to the F.D.A. commissioner before joining a law firm in Washington in 1981, where he worked to secure F.D.A. approval of Monsanto’s artificial growth hormone before returning to the F.D.A. as deputy commissioner in 1991."
    (http://littlesis.org/person/39121/Michael_R_Taylor, https://www.opensecrets.org/revolving/rev_summary.php?id=20919)

    Hillary Clinton
    Needs no introduction, no connection with Monsanto. (https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/summary.php?cid=N00000019&cycle=2008, http://littlesis.org/person/13191/Hillary_Clinton)

    Roger Bleachy(Roger Beachy)
    has an emeritus post at Washington University in St. Louis at the department of Biologi. The current director of the USDA’s National Institute of Food and Agriculture (NIFA) is Dr. Sonny Ramaswamy. Roger Beachy hold the possition in 2009. No ties to Monsanto could be found. (http://www.nifa.usda.gov/newsroom/bio.html, http://sustainableagriculture.net/blog/nifa-director-resigns/)

    Islam Siddiqui
    is currently Vice President for Science and Regulatory Affairs at CropLife America , where he is responsible for regulatory and international trade issues related to crop protection chemicals. He doesn't hold the post as Chief Agricultural Negotiator any more. No ties to monsanto could be found.(http://littlesis.org/person/45476/Islam_Siddiqui, http://fresnocitd.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Ambassador-Islam-Siddiqui-Bio-FNL.pdf)

    Clarence Thomas supreme court judge appointed from 1991. Clarence Thomas is a former employed at Monsanto from 1977 to 1979. (http://littlesis.org/person/36985/Clarence_Thomas)

    Donald Rumsfeld Had a former company which was sold to Monsanto in 1985 and was Secretery of defense under the Bush administration from 2001 until 2006. Currently he holds no position in congress and are not politically active. (http://littlesis.org/person/33418/Donald_H_Rumsfeld)

    Anne Veneman (Ann Margaret Veneman) has held a position in United States Department of Agriculture(2001-2005), California Department of Food(1995-1999) and is the former Executive Director of UNICEF(2005-2010). She currently holds no political positions. No ties with Monsanto could be found. (http://littlesis.org/person/33880/Ann_M_Veneman)
     
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  2. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    I've re-titled this to more accurately reflect the content.

    It should be noted though that the list it not entirely bunk.
     
  3. Mathias Olsen

    Mathias Olsen New Member

    Jep some of them has worked at some point at Monsanto. But not the at same time as their job in office.
     
  4. Perhaps a link to the original source of the list?
     
  5. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    But the chart does not explicitly claim that.

    The "revolving door" issue is very real. While you can't have a blanket ban on influence trading, I think it's certainly an issue that needs to be addressed with legislation, as it is a corrupting influence in American politics. There are existing laws, but obviously they are not working.

    http://www.cleanupwashington.org/lobbying/page.cfm?pageid=36

    The list in the OP is inaccurate and misleading, sure. But it does not then follow that everything is fine.

    But we should focus here on what is or is not factually accurate. What evidence is claimed, and is that evidence accurate. An image that gets passed around the internet is worth debunking, but it would be great if you could drill down to the original source of the claims.

    The earliest version of this particular image I could find is June 2013. But I suspect it's for a bit earlier:
    http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/06/monsanto-rules-america-and-kills-the-world-2672926.html

    Text version from 2011, but probably copied from elsewhere.
    http://www.bananas.org/f9/dr-mercola-interviews-dr-huber-about-14881.html#post184204
     
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  6. Mathias Olsen

    Mathias Olsen New Member

    Properly way older, some of the jobs has not been relevant since 2006. And I should have thought about finding the source of the picture. It was spread on facebook. Will remember this next time.
     
  7. Soulfly

    Soulfly Banned Banned

    I'd say make a list of politicians who have worked for large multi-million or billion dollar companies, but it would probably be easier to make a list of those that haven't
     
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  8. Your wrong

    Your wrong New Member

    Sorry, but you really don't know how to do your homework. They all have connections to Monsanto, here's one example http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Ann_M._Veneman

    Veneman joined the United States Department of Agriculture's Foreign Agricultural Service in 1986, serving as Associate Administrator until 1989. During this time she helped negotiate the Uruguay round talks for the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT). She subsequently served as Deputy Undersecretary of Agriculture for International Affairs and Commodity Programs from 1989 to 1991. From 1991 to 1993, she served as United States Department of Agriculture's Deputy Secretary, the Department's second-highest position.

    At this point Veneman took a break from political and administrative office to practice with the high-power law firm and lobby group, Patton Boggs and also severed on the Board of Directors of Calgene, Inc., which became the first company to market genetically-engineered food. One of her clients at Patton Boggs was Dole Foods, the world's largest producer of fruit and vegetables.
    Wanna Guess who owns Calgene?

    So FYI, you need dig deeper not just scratch the surface..... Connect the dots !
     
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  9. Pete Tar

    Pete Tar Senior Member

    Generally, connecting dots is the best way to let personal bias override actual facts and lead to a conclusion that fits your worldview rather than adapting yourself to reality. Connecting dots is how people come up with pictures in the stars that aren't really there.

    (and it's '*you're* wrong', because you're saying 'you ARE' something. Would be correct if you're saying 'Your wrong ideas', 'your wrong conclusions', 'your wrong directions', etc. :p)
     
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  10. Chew

    Chew Senior Member

    And if you dig a little deeper... She left Calgene in 1995. Monsanto bought Calgene in 1997.
     
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  11. NoParty

    NoParty Senior Member

    I agree with Pete that "connecting the dots" is often more illusory than anything
    (Hell, Glenn Beck played "6 Degrees of Socialism" on his chalkboard every day...and even Fox News tired of it)

    I'm not going to invest hours researching this--the fact that whoever pasted this together deliberately
    erased the relevant dates hints that they already know it's stretching the truth beyond reason.
    And Monsanto may be the most openly publicly hated company in America...so...um...great conspiracy.

    Okay, you really want to use Ann Veneman to demonstrate the accuracy of this little meme?
    It says quite clearly that she was on Monsanto's Board of Directors. That's obviously not true
    (which I guess is why--even though this is your chosen example--you tried to move the goalposts
    to "connections to Monsanto" :rolleyes: to avoid admitting the obvious error)
    So, Veneman was on the board of a relatively tiny company, Calgene...and later Monsanto bought that company.
    How long was she there after the buyout? Did she have any influence at multi-billion dollar Monsanto?
    Any? Jump in "your wrong" unless you're merely scratching the surface...please dig deeper...
     
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  12. WeedWhacker

    WeedWhacker Senior Member

    It is conceivable to "connect dots" in a multitude of ways. Open to Human imagination.

    This does NOT mean that any of those "connections" are true, unless there is actual evidence.
     
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  13. Cairenn

    Cairenn Senior Member

    Connecting the dots reminds me of '6 degrees of separation'

    I remember that Hilary's link is through the Rose law firm. Monsanto hired them at some time. There was no evidence that she ever even handled a file folder from the Monsanto work.
     
  14. NoParty

    NoParty Senior Member

    As a kid, I frequently rode the "Adventure Through Inner Space" ride at Disneyland...
    sponsored by...wait for it...Monsanto! :eek:

    Just one freakin' degree of separation!
    Sweet innocent kid, I thought I was just enjoying a wild, fantastical orgy
    of millions of semi-realistic projected orbiting electrons...but in reality I was actually
    laying the groundwork for later driving up suicide rates in India with Bt cotton seeds,
    forcing GMO's on Americans who otherwise would demand only fresh, healthy food, and--of course--
    using political connections to force public schools to use Roundup as a salad dressing.

    Screen Shot 2014-09-29 at 10.49.56 PM.

    (I've never been a fan of Monsanto...but I guess I'm finding I like Monsanto-Hysteria even less)
     
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  15. Your wrong

    Your wrong New Member

    Agree with the spelling "your", phone auto-corrected and I didn't pay attention. Connecting the dots also means "you understand the connections and relationships". Seriously! In 1982, Monsanto was already working on creating Roundup Ready crops with Calgene. Sooooooo I guess maybe you guys have a better imagination of how poor Monsanto is just misunderstood.
     
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  16. Your wrong

    Your wrong New Member

    Thank you!!!!
     
  17. CapnPegleg

    CapnPegleg Member

    WHOOOOOOSSSHHH!
     
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  18. Chew

    Chew Senior Member

    No, we just have a better understanding of the logical fallacy known as 'poisoning the well'.
     
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  19. jonnyH

    jonnyH Active Member

    was that the sound of sarcasm going right over someone's head?
     
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  20. NoParty

    NoParty Senior Member

    Tips For Teens: Saying that you "understand the connections and relationships"
    is a far cry from demonstrating that you "understand connections and relationships."
    (especially when they're fictional, grossly exaggerated and/or designed to mislead)



    p.s. Are you still "digging deep" to answer the Veneman questions at the end of Post 11?
     
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  21. MikeC

    MikeC Closed Account

    I used to flat with a lady who's friend did the makeup for the then PM of New Zealand, Helen Clark - who is now Administrator of the UN Development Program - widely seen as 3rd in charge at the UN.

    And you all "know" me - so y'all are only 3 DOF away from the heart of the evil UN - if not closer by your own connections - that includes you Your Wrong - you are actually evil by close association! :)
     
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  22. Your wrong

    Your wrong New Member

    I'm pretty sure I did.. don't be lazy and look it up yourself...
     
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  23. Your wrong

    Your wrong New Member

    Again, doubt GMO's need defending right? Soooooooo remind me again, how is she not connected?
     
  24. MikeC

    MikeC Closed Account

    I don't know why you think GMO's don't need defending - some people are anti them, some are pro - so why wouldn't the "pro" lobby make their case?

    We are all connected - including you :)
     
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  25. Jason

    Jason Senior Member

    Your point is...what exactly? Who said GMO's don't need defending? She's right too. "Genetically Modified" does sound worse than "drought resistant". Perhaps if the name was chosen more carefully before GMO's hit the market, we wouldn't be dealing with CT's to the extent of what we are today. If someone believes genetically modified foods are a good thing, why would you expect them to discuss it in any other manner.
     
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  26. Pete Tar

    Pete Tar Senior Member

    The 'dots' are facts and data points, the lines used in 'connecting the dots' are imaginary. They're not evidence, only hypothesis.
     
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  27. Chew

    Chew Senior Member

    The question you should have asked is, "How is she connected?" Just because a politician is advocating GMO crops doesn't mean they are financially connected to Monsanto. Like most politicians she'll tell 10 different special interest groups 10 different and often contradictory stories but that doesn't mean all the stories are lies. Has Monsanto ever donated to her election fund?
     
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  28. scombrid

    scombrid Senior Member

    I'm a biological scientist with the primary concern over GMO crops being a continuation of the same concerns I already had with mass production of clonal hybrids and mechanized sterilized agriculture in general. Ecological stuff and also a risk to the food supply if some novel pathogen sets on a massive staple crop that lacks the genetic diversity to cope. Hell, a lot of the mass produced fruit was tasting like crap just because hybrids were selected for shelf life and truck-ability. But then again I can get a wide selection of fruits and veggies year round that would not be the case in a "traditional" agriculture system.

    So much of what comes from the anti-GMO side is so often completely off base that I often find myself in the uncomfortable position of defending GMO crops. National Geographic is running a series this year on global food supply. The magazine that arrived yesterday features an article on GMO. I'm curious to read it and then see the response that it gets.
     
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  29. Cairenn

    Cairenn Senior Member

    Hillary is intelligent enough to make sure that her advisers have done good research and have given her good advice on GMOs.

    I support GMOs, and I have no connection to GMO
     
  30. Cairenn

    Cairenn Senior Member

    Thank you, Landru.
     
  31. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_N._Beachy
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Danforth_Plant_Science_Center
    https://monsanto.com/news-releases/monsanto-fund-provides-support-to-danforth-plant-science-center/
    Summary:
    1999-2009 - Beachy is president of Donald Danforth Plant Science Center, with significant funding from Monsanto.
    2006 - Monsanto gives DDPSC $15 Million
    2009 - NIFA is formed, based on William Danforth's workforce, with Beachy as Head.
    2011 - Beachy leaves NIFA

    So while he's certainly not a "Director, Monsanto", there's a connection.