DEBUNKED - 9/11 aircraft black boxes weren't recovered

If they had been ejected from the buildings, it is likely they would have been found and relatively in tact. Unless they managed to find some obsure hiding place, like that piece of flap that was found recently, they would have been rather conspicuous. They are designed to withstand greater forces than they would have encountered had they been ejected. Therefore, it is logical to conclude that they did remain within the buildings.

I don't dissagree, but the possibility does exist. I was simply pointing that out.
 
What do you base this on? Each building was 110 stories tall and collapsed. No plane crash previously had that happen. There is a discussion of the weight of each tower at http://www.physforum.com/What-was-the-weight-of-a-WTC-Tower_4299.html

It's a lot.
A 110 story building fell all around it and you say it is "unlikely" it was smashed and/or burned. I can't wait to hear what you think is "likely". Go ahead.
Exactly. A 110 storey building fell around them. Most of that 110 stories was below the impact zone (i.e. the location of the boxes before the collapse). Therefore the boxes fell onto roughly 2/3 of the building. Only the top 10 or 20 floors fell on the boxes. While I admit this is a significant amount of weight, how does it compare to the forces of slamming into a mountain or the ground at full speed?

BTW, I never said it was unlikely the boxes were "smashed and/or burned". Please re-read the post I was replying to. It says "smashed and burned into hundreds of pieces" (emphasis mine).
 
Exactly. A 110 storey building fell around them. Most of that 110 stories was below the impact zone (i.e. the location of the boxes before the collapse). Therefore the boxes fell onto roughly 2/3 of the building. Only the top 10 or 20 floors fell on the boxes. While I admit this is a significant amount of weight, how does it compare to the forces of slamming into a mountain or the ground at full speed?

BTW, I never said it was unlikely the boxes were "smashed and/or burned". Please re-read the post I was replying to. It says "smashed and burned into hundreds of pieces" (emphasis mine).

Oh sorry. I still can't wait to hear what is LIKELY to have happened to them. I'm waiting. Tick tock tick tock...
 
You seem to disagree with Mumbles. You state the recorders' locations were known and accessible, Mumbles says they weren't. Again, even those who agree with each other can't agree with each other.

Dude I was just using the info you provided - nothing more or less.

As for parts' "continued existence", you're beginning to sound like a "conspiracy theorist". Everything that was in those buildings that did not burn in the fires should have been in that pile somewhere. They can't just cease to exist.

Of course htey can - they can be pulverised into small wreckage.
 
The issue isn't whether the units survived and were still capable of "complete data recovery" (the parameters you've quoted), but, rather, the idea that NO PART of any ONE of the four units was ever recovered, as the laughable 9/11 Commission Report claims. They hand picked through much of the rubble and were able to find minute pieces of human tissue and bone (which have far, far less resistance to such stresses and conditions), but couldn't find any remnants of either one of the recorders? In any other instance, recovery of the recorders would be a top priority. But, since no government agency ever had any interest or intent to conduct a real investigation of 9/11, I guess finding the boxes wasn't that important.

And you DON'T want to compare the WTC crashes to the Pentagon one! That story is even MORE unimaginable.

They weren't searching for specific parts of any specific bodies, which would have been more akin to searching for the boxes. Compare the volume of some 3,000 bodies to the volume of the two boxes. It was considerably more likely that they would find random body bits.

PS: Why aren't you questioning why they didn't find remains of EACH ONE of the many people who died in the collapse? After all, their DNA HAD to be in the rubble, right?
 
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Exactly. A 110 storey building fell around them. Most of that 110 stories was below the impact zone (i.e. the location of the boxes before the collapse). Therefore the boxes fell onto roughly 2/3 of the building. Only the top 10 or 20 floors fell on the boxes. While I admit this is a significant amount of weight, how does it compare to the forces of slamming into a mountain or the ground at full speed?

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Indeed. How does it compare?

Consider a can of soda thrown against a anvil. Then consider an anvil dropped from 1000 feet onto a can of soda.

How do they compare? Do the math.
 
They weren't searching for specific parts of any specific bodies, which would have been more akin to searching for the boxes. Compare the volume of some 3,000 bodies to the volume of the thttp://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-9-11-aircraft-black-boxes-werent-recovered.2114/page-4wo boxes. It was considerably more likely that they would find random body bits.

PS: Why aren't you questioning why they didn't find remains of EACH ONE of the many people who died in the collapse? After all, their DNA HAD to be in the rubble, right?
You're not seriously trying to compare one of the most fragile items on the planet to one of the most resilient, are you? The two are so radically different, it's not even the same as comparing apples and oranges.

Let's see, using the the data Mick provided, a data recorder is designed to withstand and still be functional after exposure to temperatures of 1100*C (2012*F) for 30 minutes. How long will human tissue last at that temp.? Well, crematoriums operate at about that temperature (760-1150*C/1400-2100*F), although the cremation process takes considerably longer (90-120 minutes).

Now, NIST estimates that the fires in the towers reached as high as 1000*C (1800*F), which is comparable to a crematorium oven, but within the survivability range of the recorders. Therefore, it is likely, and logical to conclude, that the recorders would have survived the initial impact and resulting fire in tact and still readable, but that many of the victims' bodies were mostly incinerated, especially those nearest the crash (primarily the aircraft passengers and anyone in the building in the immediate impact zone).

The "volume of some 3000 bodies" is irrelevant and a non sequitur and does not warrant consideration in this discussion.

Conclusion: Many bodies would have likely been burned in the fire to the extent that little, if anything, remained. The fact that no trace of these people was found is not an unexpected result. DNA, being microscopic, would require much more than even a meticulous examination of the debris to discover. There may well have been some identifiable DNA in the debris, but it would take laboratory testing and examination to locate. Since no such investigation was ever done, it is illogical to assume any DNA would have been found.

"Random body bits" of many of the victims were found. However, it is NOT "considerably more likely" that such remains of all the victims would be found. In fact, it is quite the opposite and highly unlikely. BUT, the more human remains one finds, the more one would expect to find the much more resilient data recorders.
 
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Indeed. How does it compare?

Consider a can of soda thrown against a anvil. Then consider an anvil dropped from 1000 feet onto a can of soda.

How do they compare? Do the math.
Have you conducted this experiment or can you provide reference to someone who has? Your inference is that there would be NOTHING of the soda can identifiable as such after having an anvil dropped on it from 1000'. While I do not agree that a thin, aluminum soda can is an adequate analog for a CVR, that point is irrelevant. The question is, would such an action result in the complete obliteration of the can? Of course, part of the equation would deal with the surface beneath the can. Rock? Concrete? Steel? Earth? If rock, what kind? Different rocks have different characteristics. If concrete, how thick? Is it reinforced, or just a slab of plain concrete? If steel, again, what kind? There are different kinds of steel with different properties and characteristics. Even if the can was on top of another anvil, the question then becomes, what is it on?

Regardless of the surface, there would be some energy absorption by that surface. How much and how it would be dispersed depends on the surface, thus the reason I asked.

In any case, I would wager that there would, indeed, be identifiable remnants. Now, should we submit this to Mythbusters, or do you already have verifiable results?

And, again, this in no way compares to the issue at hand as, again, the two materials are not analogous to each other.
 
You're not seriously trying to compare one of the most fragile items on the planet to one of the most resilient, are you? The two are so radically different, it's not even the same as comparing apples and oranges.

Let's see, using the the data Mick provided, a data recorder is designed to withstand and still be functional after exposure to temperatures of 1100*C (2012*F) for 30 minutes. How long will human tissue last at that temp.? Well, crematoriums operate at about that temperature (760-1150*C/1400-2100*F), although the cremation process takes considerably longer (90-120 minutes).

Now, NIST estimates that the fires in the towers reached as high as 1000*C (1800*F), which is comparable to a crematorium oven, but within the survivability range of the recorders. Therefore, it is likely, and logical to conclude, that the recorders would have survived the initial impact and resulting fire in tact and still readable, but that many of the victims' bodies were mostly incinerated, especially those nearest the crash (primarily the aircraft passengers and anyone in the building in the immediate impact zone).

The "volume of some 3000 bodies" is irrelevant and a non sequitur and does not warrant consideration in this discussion.

Conclusion: Many bodies would have likely been burned in the fire to the extent that little, if anything, remained. The fact that no trace of these people was found is not an unexpected result. DNA, being microscopic, would require much more than even a meticulous examination of the debris to discover. There may well have been some identifiable DNA in the debris, but it would take laboratory testing and examination to locate. Since no such investigation was ever done, it is illogical to assume any DNA would have been found.

"Random body bits" of many of the victims were found. However, it is NOT "considerably more likely" that such remains of all the victims would be found. In fact, it is quite the opposite and highly unlikely. BUT, the more human remains one finds, the more one would expect to find the much more resilient data recorders.

Umm... I didn't say it was considerably more likely that remains of *ALL* the victims would be found, now did I? No, I didn't say that and that was the point. They DIDN'T find any remains of quite a number of the people killed in the collapse.

Quote you: "...were able to find minute pieces of human tissue and bone..." How is it at all remarkable that they were able to find such things? You seem to feel that NONE of the Human remains should have been found since the boxes weren't found. I don't see the logic in that position.

You clearly seem to think that the boxes where actually found, but were then spirited away. What is it that you think the boxes would have shown that isn't known via other sources?
 
Therefore, it is likely, and logical to conclude, that the recorders would have survived the initial impact and resulting fire in tact and still readable,

And? You seem to be avoiding the greatest portion of the stress the boxes were subjected to- the collapse.

Conclusion: Many bodies would have likely been burned in the fire to the extent that little, if anything, remained.

What? There were lots of people who weren't in the plane crash zones.

The fact that no trace of these people was found is not an unexpected result.

With whom are you arguing about this and why?

DNA, being microscopic, would require much more than even a meticulous examination of the debris to discover. There may well have been some identifiable DNA in the debris, but it would take laboratory testing and examination to locate. Since no such investigation was ever done, it is illogical to assume any DNA would have been found.

Umm... if they found body bits, they found DNA, hmm? Apparently you are asserting, for some reason, that they didn't do DNA analysis on the Human remains? I believe they did.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/bodies.html

The number of people believed to have been killed in the World Trade Center attack hovers around 2,780, three years after the attack. 1 2 No trace has been identified for about half the victims, despite the use of advanced DNA techniques to identify individuals. Six weeks after the attack only 425 people had been identified. 3 A year after the attack, only half of the victims had been identified. 19,906 remains were recovered from Ground Zero, 4,735 of which were identified. Up to 200 remains were linked to a single person. 4 Of the 1,401 people identified, 673 of the IDs were based on DNA alone. Only 293 intact bodies were found. Only twelve could be identified by sight. 5
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The issue at hand isn't whether or not human tissue would survive the crash/fire and/or collapse. It is whether or not the hardened steel casing, and the memory unit within it, of the only part of an aircraft engineered to survive a crash intact would, logically, be completely obliterated in the collapse.

The initial crash and resulting fire were well within the units' design parameters and it is reasonable to conclude that, had the buildings not collapsed, all four recorders would have been recovered and readable.

As I've stated before, the wild card in the equation is the collapse of the buildings and what effect such action would have on the boxes. The first thing to realize is that the boxes did not have 110 stories of building fall on them. The north tower was hit the highest up and, although hit first, was the last to collapse. The significance of this? Being the highest up, the location of the AA11 recorders before collapse would have been, at the lowest, about the 93rd floor with only about 17 of the 110 floors above them. Therefore, only about 17 floors fell on them, not the over exaggerated 110.

Second, the north tower fell last, meaning any debris from the already collapsed south tower would not have impacted the AA11 recorders as they would have fallen on it (the south tower). Thus the "most survivable" recorders would have been AA11's.

Now, considering that steel does not simply "pulverize" or "vaporize", and that no other steel in the buildings did (including the steel subjected to the MOST crushing stress, that from the lowest floors), it is logical to conclude that the black boxes did not, or would not, either.

Thus, what are we left with?
  • All four recorders must have been in the rubble piles, somewhere.
  • The two from AA11 should have been the closest to the top of the piles, and, although heavily damaged, the most likely to be discovered.
  • The forces of the collapsing building were insufficient to "pulverize" steel, therefore the units did not disintegrate into hundreds of unidentifiable pieces.
 
The issue at hand isn't whether or not human tissue would survive the crash/fire and/or collapse. It is whether or not the hardened steel casing, and the memory unit within it, of the only part of an aircraft engineered to survive a crash intact would, logically, be completely obliterated in the collapse.

The initial crash and resulting fire were well within the units' design parameters and it is reasonable to conclude that, had the buildings not collapsed, all four recorders would have been recovered and readable.

As I've stated before, the wild card in the equation is the collapse of the buildings and what effect such action would have on the boxes. The first thing to realize is that the boxes did not have 110 stories of building fall on them. The north tower was hit the highest up and, although hit first, was the last to collapse. The significance of this? Being the highest up, the location of the AA11 recorders before collapse would have been, at the lowest, about the 93rd floor with only about 17 of the 110 floors above them. Therefore, only about 17 floors fell on them, not the over exaggerated 110.

Second, the north tower fell last, meaning any debris from the already collapsed south tower would not have impacted the AA11 recorders as they would have fallen on it (the south tower). Thus the "most survivable" recorders would have been AA11's.

Now, considering that steel does not simply "pulverize" or "vaporize", and that no other steel in the buildings did (including the steel subjected to the MOST crushing stress, that from the lowest floors), it is logical to conclude that the black boxes did not, or would not, either.

Thus, what are we left with?
  • All four recorders must have been in the rubble piles, somewhere.
  • The two from AA11 should have been the closest to the top of the piles, and, although heavily damaged, the most likely to be discovered.
  • The forces of the collapsing building were insufficient to "pulverize" steel, therefore the units did not disintegrate into hundreds of unidentifiable pieces.

So, what is the weight of approx 17 floors of those buildings? What is the kinetic energy involved in them falling approx 1000 ft? Not enough to obliterate the boxes? Really?

PS: You seem to be suggesting some alternative explanation. What is it?
 
The issue at hand isn't whether or not human tissue would survive the crash/fire and/or collapse. It is whether or not the hardened steel casing, and the memory unit within it, of the only part of an aircraft engineered to survive a crash intact would, logically, be completely obliterated in the collapse./quote]

I don't think anyone was suggesting "completely obliterated", more along the lines of "reduced to some generic bits of steel".

Even if it were on the 109th floor, after the initial impact and intense fires, it's still got to content with hundreds of tons of steel hitting it at 100 mph. Basically a hyperkinetic gigantic shredder.
 
Thus, what are we left with?
  • All four recorders must have been in the rubble piles, somewhere.
  • The two from AA11 should have been the closest to the top of the piles, and, although heavily damaged, the most likely to be discovered.
  • The forces of the collapsing building were insufficient to "pulverize" steel, therefore the units did not disintegrate into hundreds of unidentifiable pieces.

1/ Yep.
2/ conditional yep - if they were intact, which has not been established at all except by your assertions that they must have been.
3/ Rubbish - an assertion proved only entirely to your own pre-conceived conclusion. Unless you have the units intact you cannot make that determination - each floor of the WTC is hundreds or thousands of tons or material, as the building collapses everything gets mixed with an enormous amount of kinetic energy and mass - the lower floors do not have to fall "on top" in order to grind up whatever is falling among them.
 
3/ Rubbish - an assertion proved only entirely to your own pre-conceived conclusion.

You mean as opposed to your pre-conceived conclusion that it is possible to pulverize steel? Again, why did none of the other steel in the buildings get pulverized? Wasn't it subjected to the same and, perhaps, more crushing stress?

...in order to grind up whatever is falling among them.

You make it sound like it is possible to grind up hardened steel like the corn for a tortilla.
 
You mean as opposed to your pre-conceived conclusion that it is possible to pulverize steel? Again, why did none of the other steel in the buildings get pulverized? Wasn't it subjected to the same and, perhaps, more crushing stress?



You make it sound like it is possible to grind up hardened steel like the corn for a tortilla.

Here is a picture of the debris from 9/11 at Freshkills. Looks like a lot.



http://www.silive.com/september-11/index.ssf/2011/08/in_documentary_first_responder.html
 
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It is certainly possible to pulverize the sort of steel that "black boxes" are made off - it is only thick-ish stainless steel (1/4" or so) and, IIRC at that time, stainless film for the recording medium.

Complaining that some steel wasn't pulverised so therefore none can be is like saying that some parts of bodies were not ripped apart therefore none were - it is just trolling.

And it is certainly possible to grind steel - the black boxes are NOT "hardened" - they are (again) made from relatively thick stainless steel - but "realtively thick" means of the order of 1/4 inch.

And falling among hundreds of thousands of tons of all types of debris is not how you grind corn.

Yes I do have a preconceived idea that steel can be pulverized - it comes from working in foundries, engine reconditioners, and an airframe and engines aircraft mechanic since 1976, having studied materials at Uni and as part of my trade training, and having many times ground and pulverized steels of various types.
 
You mean as opposed to your pre-conceived conclusion that it is possible to pulverize steel? Again, why did none of the other steel in the buildings get pulverized? Wasn't it subjected to the same and, perhaps, more crushing stress?

I'd think a steel beam used to hold up a building would be of more SUBSTANCE than a flight recorder, wouldn't you? Wouldn't that be like comparing a 4 x 4 to a wooden shim?
 
It is a trade profession for which I completed a 10,000 hour apprenticeship and have Trade Certificate. If you are really an avionics tech then you will know that Avioncs has 3 sub disciplines of instruments, electrics and radio. Similarly mechanical techs have 2 sub-disciplines of airframes and engines - it was the norm where I come from (New Zealand) that avionics techs were trained in all 3 of theirs, and mechanical techs in both of theirs.

This system was common across the commonwealth but is now being replaced by EASA-like qualifications.

Such a lack of basic knowledge....:confused::eek::rolleyes:o_O
 
Sorry, in the U.S. we have either an "Airframe" ("A") or a "Powerplant" ("P") license, or both ("A&P").

And I wouldn't call unfamiliarity with foreign lingo a lack of basic knowledge.
 
So you don't recognize "airframe and engine" as being the same as "airframe and powerplant"?......interesting...
 
So you don't recognize "airframe and engine" as being the same as "airframe and powerplant"?......interesting...

I never said I didn't recognize them as being the same, I just didn't recognize it period. I suspected they were the same but, because the phrase isn't used here in the U.S., I had never heard it before.

I apologize that, since I am from America, I speak American. I don't speak Brittish, New Zealand, Australian, etc. Even though they are all "English", they all have differences. The big piece of metal that covers the engine of my car is a "hood", not a "bonnet" and the space in the back is a "trunk" not a "boot". A boot is something worn on the feet and a bonnet is an old fashioned ladies hat.
 
I never said I didn't recognize them as being the same, I just didn't recognize it period. I suspected they were the same but, because the phrase isn't used here in the U.S., I had never heard it before.

I apologize that, since I am from America, I speak American. I don't speak Brittish, New Zealand, Australian, etc. Even though they are all "English", they all have differences. The big piece of metal that covers the engine of my car is a "hood", not a "bonnet" and the space in the back is a "trunk" not a "boot". A boot is something worn on the feet and a bonnet is an old fashioned ladies hat.

And don't even get me started on FOOTBALL! :)
 
I never said I didn't recognize them as being the same, I just didn't recognize it period. I suspected they were the same but, because the phrase isn't used here in the U.S., I had never heard it before.

I apologize that, since I am from America, I speak American. I don't speak Brittish, New Zealand, Australian, etc. Even though they are all "English", they all have differences. The big piece of metal that covers the engine of my car is a "hood", not a "bonnet" and the space in the back is a "trunk" not a "boot". A boot is something worn on the feet and a bonnet is an old fashioned ladies hat.

You clearly understand that people do use different terms for some things and are aware of many of them without prompting.....but you didn't recognise (note the "s" not "z") that an "airframe and engine" tech is not similar to an "airframe and engine" one in an area that one would think from your nom-de-plum is close to your expertise.....
 
Black box pinging reported to Governor Pataki on 18 SEP 2001, by the NYSEMO Director Ed Jacoby.

In decreasing order of probability:
  1. They heard a signal, but it was not the black box
  2. They did not heard a signal, and the summary is a mistake
  3. They heard a signal, but the black box was never found
  4. They heard a signal, found the black box, but someone decided later it would be better to pretend they had no
Given the vast amount of equipment, at the site and nearby, it's most likely just to be a false signal.
 
They just recovered this past year the landing gear of one of the planes a few blocks away.
Are you suggesting that was planted? No video shows it going there but considering the speed involved
you wouldn't necessarily see an object that small being thrown clear. I guess it is always possible it made it
there when the buildings collapsed.

Ultimately Atta's passport is unimportant.
There is video surveillance of him going through security at the airport.
Why plant something that might arouse suspicion when you already have a smoking gun?

Edit - obviously the black boxes were crushed and burned in the fire/collapse.
Concerning the landing gear you mentioned; you failed to mention that it was found wedged between buildings with a piece of rope tied around it, just as if it were "planted". The best explanation officials have for the rope is that someone must have found it earlier, tried to remove it, forgot to tell anyone. LMAO. Completely as absurd as the passport. Impossible? No. Unlikely? Yes.
 
In decreasing order of probability:
  1. They heard a signal, but it was not the black box
  2. They did not heard a signal, and the summary is a mistake
  3. They heard a signal, but the black box was never found
  4. They heard a signal, found the black box, but someone decided later it would be better to pretend they had no
Given the vast amount of equipment, at the site and nearby, it's most likely just to be a false signal.
And Mick. What is your particular expertise in regards to RF frequencies used for such devices? You do realize, that the "ping" used on these boxes would only be found on a very specific frequency and that other "equipment" manufacturers would not use those frequencies. Anyone looking for a black box is looking at a very narrow frequency band. I know a little as I am a licensed Ham and I can tell you your conclusion is without merit.
 
Concerning the landing gear you mentioned; you failed to mention that it was found wedged between buildings with a piece of rope tied around it, just as if it were "planted". The best explanation officials have for the rope is that someone must have found it earlier, tried to remove it, forgot to tell anyone. LMAO. Completely as absurd as the passport. Impossible? No. Unlikely? Yes.

And the "conspiracy" explanation for the rope would be? Why would you need a rope to "plant" it there?
 
And Mick. What is your particular expertise in regards to RF frequencies used for such devices? You do realize, that the "ping" used on these boxes would only be found on a very specific frequency and that other "equipment" manufacturers would not use those frequencies. Anyone looking for a black box is looking at a very narrow frequency band. I know a little as I am a licensed Ham and I can tell you your conclusion is without merit.

Can you provide evidence to support your claim?
 
Concerning the landing gear you mentioned; you failed to mention that it was found wedged between buildings with a piece of rope tied around it, just as if it were "planted". The best explanation officials have for the rope is that someone must have found it earlier, tried to remove it, forgot to tell anyone. LMAO. Completely as absurd as the passport. Impossible? No. Unlikely? Yes.

It wasn't landing gear....and it took over 2 hours to remove it...how long would it have taken conspirators to "plant" it?

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/co...r-found-by-planned-islamic-center-in-ny.1471/
 
You do realize, that the "ping" used on these boxes would only be found on a very specific frequency and that other "equipment" manufacturers would not use those frequencies. Anyone looking for a black box is looking at a very narrow frequency band. I know a little as I am a licensed Ham and I can tell you your conclusion is without merit.

The airwaves are full of stray emissions. As a licensed ham you should be aware of RFI.

You're suggestion that only cockpit voice recorders ever transmit at 37.5 kHz is simply not realistic. Poorly designed, unfiltered, or defective radio equipment can cause harmonic interference and splatter.
 
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And the "conspiracy" explanation for the rope would be? Why would you need a rope to "plant" it there?

Let me say first that I think the whole "conspiracy" term has been bandied about way too much. The word now immediately conjures negative connotations. A citizen should be able to question their government without instantly being labeled a "kook". We, on this site, should be able to engage in fact driven argument without labels and stereotypes. I joined this site because I am interested in a variety of issues and enjoy exploring various explanations for historical and current events and in general the discussions here seemed reasoned and respectful. In the late 60s and 70s many people, myself included began to question our involvement in Vietnam. We pointed to evidence, flimsy as it was, that the President was part of a conspiracy regarding the break in at the Watergate. And yes, we were "kooks", we were "conspiracy theorists". But we were right. So before we write off an explanation for an event that runs counter to the "official story", let's look at history which has shown time and time again that the official story is often incorrect. For the record, I do not embrace the proposition that 911 was a false flag nor do I accept the official story, which has already been conclusively shown to be inaccurate. There is no disagreement that at least some of the statements made by GWB and/or others in his administration were false. There is strong evidence to suggest that a cover up of some sort occurred. Able-Danger conclusively proves that the intelligence community had prior knowledge of the hijackers, a claim denied by the Bush admin. Now, we know politicians will cover their butts. Right now we don't know if they were covering incompetence or something more nefarious, but there is NO questions they were covering SOMETHING. Which begs the question, "What were they hiding!" The question remains open but there is a lot of material concerning the Bushes, the Saudis, and the intelligence communities as well as trillions of dollars "missing" from the Pentagons budget.
Anyway, as to the rope; I think the question "Why would you need a rope to lower it down" is self evident. I'm not saying the rope in anyway says, "conspiracy!" What I'm saying is that in any crime scene, all evidence pertaining to the crime and found at the site must be explained as best as possible. The onus to explain the rope is not on us, the citizenry, it is on the professional investigators. I make no inference other than to say that the official explanation seems far fetched. Period. If you want to draw some other conclusion, feel free. I just think it's really odd that if someone had found the piece earlier and tried to retrieve it, that they didn't tell anyone. After all this was a HUGE piece of wreckage wedged between two buildings. Wouldn't you at least let the buildings owner know?
The airwaves are full of stray emissions. As a licensed ham you should be aware of RFI.

You're suggestion that only cockpit voice recorders ever transmit at 37.5 kHz is simply not realistic. Poorly designed or defective radio equipment can cause harmonic interferance and splatter.
 
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