What could Dāv Kaufman's UFO be? [Likely Solved - lights on the horizon]

[flarkey]

Why did you use a target height of 150ft?

It was a rough guess of the height of the buildings at the mine.

 

[fizzBuzz]

It seems this facility is very close to the horizon from the observation point, or just below and we're seeing refracted lights. But it looks like we have a likely explanation.

 

[jarlrmai]

Wow. Broken Arrow was an old TV show I watched as a kid. You never know what my stutter will bring up.

Broken Arrow is the code name used for a missing nuclear weapon or accidental nuclear explosion by the US military as well and there was a John Woo movie based on that premise with the same name.

 

[Z.W. Wolf]

I was at work all day thinking about this, and I was going to come here and say I was leaning toward a localized cluster of ground lights. But I'm way behind the times.

What I was thinking about was this video. Very similar appearance.
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/as...with-several-orb-like-uaps.14680/#post-360236

I've previously speculated that the strange lights in this video are lights on a distant ship, below the horizon, made visible by an atmospheric refraction effect.



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....disappeared before like one by one. The lights went off and now they're back on.

And they're just like hanging out, out there and that is pretty freaking big.

That makes me suspect the lights are over the horizon and are visible only when the conditions are just right.



At this point the lights fade out. Then at 3:55 they come back again. Probably because there's stronger or weaker refraction, depending on the changing conditions.

They're getting like closer and there's more of them.

Witness perceives increase in apparent brightness and apparent size as movement along his line of sight. Getting closer.

 

[Z.W. Wolf]

Broken Arrow is the code name used for a missing nuclear weapon or accidental nuclear explosion by the US military as well and there was a John Woo movie based on that premise with the same name.

All true. But this is what I saw all those times as a kid.

 

[Ann K]

But this is what I saw all those times as a kid.

Damn, ZW, you're nearly as old as I am! That was my little sister's favorite show.

 

[Mick West]

Sitrec is being a pain, slows my computer right down and wont let me get the camera low enough 0ft AGL is still ~10 feet up or so

@Mick West not sure if you are working on anything?

Sorry, yes, lots of new things going in. Can you share the sitch that is slow for you?

 

[Jay Y]

Broken Arrow is the code name used for a missing nuclear weapon or accidental nuclear explosion by the US military as well and there was a John Woo movie based on that premise with the same name.

Source: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b1Z1uRZP0no

 

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There's a faint but visible in several portions light here that maintains distance and level with the main light cluster, which would seem to support a fixed location

The nighttime satellite imagery confirms the mine is very bright. Here's the clearest image during the timeframe of Dav's trip.

A few nights before, light cloud cover accentuates the brightness even more:

https://worldview.earthdata.nasa.gov/?v=140.38177527283088,-33.13458549375089,141.82036342047493,-30.736938581010843&l=Reference_Labels_15m,Reference_Features_15m(hidden),Coastlines_15m(hidden),VIIRS_NOAA21_DayNightBand,OCI_PACE_True_Color(hidden),VIIRS_NOAA21_CorrectedReflectance_TrueColor(hidden),VIIRS_NOAA20_CorrectedReflectance_TrueColor(hidden),VIIRS_SNPP_CorrectedReflectance_TrueColor(hidden),MODIS_Aqua_CorrectedReflectance_TrueColor(hidden),MODIS_Terra_CorrectedReflectance_TrueColor&lg=true&s=140.6654,-31.7435&t=2026-03-23-T01:09:55Z

*edit: the city of Broken Hill to the south-east has a population of ~17,500. So the light pollution from the mine is certainly significant.

 

[MapperGuy]

could this be the location? This is facing West.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/enLPH4dpY8LtDx5Z8
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I think this location would fit.
The road in the lower night picture LOOKS like it is horizontal, but is actually sloping down, as you can see in the upper picture.
But the viewer at night cannot see where the HORIZON actually is because it is far away and the air is hazy/dusty.
So they estimate the horizon by where the road vanishes in the darkness.

Having lived in very flat areas the lights in the video look exactly like what I would expect a town/factory/building group seen at a great distance would look like at night in an area otherwise devoid of lights.
Through air that is not still but varies in density because of temperature differences.

Near a city like Tucson Arizona, where the lights go forever in every direction it is easy to see "horizontal" at night.
But out away from cities, where they are vast areas with no lights at all at night, isolated clusters of lights are hard to judge.

 

[Trailblazer]

could this be the location? This is facing West.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/enLPH4dpY8LtDx5Z8

Looks exactly right - even this branch on the right just next to the marker pole is still present.

 

[Alytha]

Thank you very much for looking into this, all of you!
(and for correcting my spelling )

I've commented on the video accordingly, let's see what they say.
I really like Bob Bledsoe, I've learned a ton about snakes from him, but he's a bit too credulous on weird stuff... I try just to enjoy the podcast as storytelling.
(His episode on Men in Black is good fun though, even for a skeptic)

 

[fizzBuzz]

Looks exactly right - even this branch on the right just next to the marker pole is still present.

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It only took like 10 minutes maybe to find this location. If anyone is interested, this was my method:

1. Zoomed into the town of Silverton
2. After panning around for a few seconds I realized there is only one paved road in that area (this is was the biggest clue)
3. Next were the lines on the road. I noticed that the one paved road had two outer white lines on the East side of Silverton. But on the West side, the outer white lines were not present.
4. Dropped into street view on the West side of Silverton and started biking West.
5. The first thing I was looking for was the stepped terrain. You'll notice on the right side of the road the terrain goes up and on the left side of the road, the terrain goes down. As I was biking I noticed this was a rare occurrence in that area.
6. My second queue was the combination of the mile markers and the one lone tree you see on the left side of the road.
7. Found this spot and I verified with things like the branches next to the mile marker, the bush to the far right of the image, the tilt of the right side mile marker, and in my image you'll notice a couple trees in the background behind the right side mile marker - in the original image, you can very faintly see a couple trees behind that mile marker.

 

[jarlrmai]

Thank you very much for looking into this, all of you!
(and for correcting my spelling )

I've commented on the video accordingly, let's see what they say.
I really like Bob Bledsoe, I've learned a ton about snakes from him, but he's a bit too credulous on weird stuff... I try just to enjoy the podcast as storytelling.
(His episode on Men in Black is good fun though, even for a skeptic)

This comment would indicate Bob might not be convinced..

Of course leaving out the interesting part seems a very odd choice..

Also what is it with UFOs and the name Bob (and Bledsoe as well...)