Mysterious disappearance of UFO-linked Air Force general sparks search

[Montauk]

I knew a person (now passed), who knew General Craigie (director of Wright-Patterson laboratories around Roswell time); he told her as child UFOs were real.

…and you expect us to believe this with no evidence? Also, what does this have to do with the topic at hand?

 

[John J.]

His wife debunked this rumor on Facebook recently.

So what was the Silver Alert based on?

 

[Rick Robson]

…and you expect us to believe this with no evidence? Also, what does this have to do with the topic at hand?

At least he brought up some informative posts about the thread's topic. Do you have something informative to share?
But of course, evidence is rather what we actually need at this point for that matter.

 

[JMartJr]

His wife debunked this rumor on Facebook recently.

Sourcing that would be helpful.

But they've been conducting an extraordinarily extensive search. People are searching on horseback, with dogs, helicopters, drones, local FBI, search and rescue, police and sheriffs department, and Air Force Special Investigations.

Is that an extensive search of the area he went missing in New Mexico, or an extensive nationwide search? If the former, should the title of this thread be amended, @Mick West

 

[Rick Robson]

Sourcing that would be helpful.

I don't use Facebook, but if you want the exact URL, it should be a post on this account: https://www.facebook.com/susanmccasland.wilkerson

Does somebody here has Facebook account?
I don't use it either, and I see that without an account it's impossible to look for that Susan's message.

 

[Ron Soye]

Does somebody here has Facebook account?
I don't use it either, and I see that without an account it's impossible to look for that Susan's message.

I managed to find a direct link to the post from here, and I've archived it:


Source: https://www.facebook.com/susanmccasland.wilkerson/posts/pfbid02XvjqGWmk4RfFLhNyDfHDNSt7jzqPEtuWBtpEaJbaQAeeMBrAVKgdPdqChCeuPFWPl
(megalodon.jp)

 

[deirdre]

Does somebody here has Facebook account?
I don't use it either, and I see that without an account it's impossible to look for that Susan's message.

i can see it. but a screenshot was posted so ... what do you need? it is the same words as what was posted here.

 

[NorCal Dave]

Including the speculation that he had mental issues, or that he got lost on a hike. Neither of which are a good fit to the evidence we do have.

Actually, prior to the statement from his wife, the idea of some sort of cognitive impairment was reasoned speculation giving New Mexico's guidelines for declaring a Silver Alert:

HB197 relaxes the criteria for the alerts so that the reporting party only needs to indicate they believe the missing person shows signs or symptoms of Alzheimer's disease or other forms of dementia, cognitive decline or impairment, regardless of age.

One could easily conclude that, per the guidelines, a reporting party believed the missing person (McCasland) suffered from Alzheimer's, dementia, cognitive decline or impairment. That is supposed to be the criteria for declaring a Silver Alert, which was declared.

Now his wife has released a statement indicating a Silver Alert may have been issued despite being a bit different from the official state guidelines:

The initial Silver Alert from BCSO mentioned medical conditions, which some have taken to mean Alzheimer's. Neil is at some risk, but not from dementia. He was not confused and disoriented,

There is some sort of "risk" related to "medical conditions" but not "dementia". I would assume the use of the word "dementia" is a catch-all for various cognitive issues. So, it would appear Ms. McCasland was able to have the local Sheriff's office issue a Silver Alert that didn't quite align with state criteria. Nothing nefarious or conspiratorial about this. I would think she reports him missing with some sort of "risk" presumably medical, and the BC Sheriff decided to use his authority to issue a Silver Alert, a bit out of normal guidelines, for a local concerned citizen.

The same statement also confirms what I had suspected about the DeLong email(s) to Podesta:

It is true that Neil had a brief association with the UFO community through Tom DeLonge, former frontman for Blink-182 and founder of the organization To The Stars. Neil worked with Tom for a bit shortly after his Air Force retirement as an unpaid (Neil's choice) consultant on military and technical/scientific matters to lend verisimilitude to Tom's fiction book and media activities. After the Russians hacked John Podesta's emails (see Neil's Wikipedia page), there was less contact with Tom and the community pushing for release of UFO information.

McCasland did a bit of unpaid consultant work for DeLong. More specifically, for DeLong's "fiction book and media activities". Fiction.

That might not be true, he might not actually have key UFO information, but even the perception is enough to put him at risk of being a target.

Now if you're suggesting something like Edgar Welch's response to Pizzagate, where a somewhat unstable individual takes it upon themselves to engage in a conspiracy theory, I could see where that might be a concern:

Edgar Maddison Welch, a 28-year-old man from Salisbury, North Carolina, arrived at Comet Ping Pong and fired three shots from an AR-15-style rifle that struck the restaurant's walls, a desk and a door on December 4, 2016.[45]​[46]​[47]​ Welch later told police that he had planned to "self-investigate" the conspiacy theory.[48]​

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizzagate_conspiracy_theory

Given that Pizzagate was a rather niche conspiracy compared to the overwhelming media pushed idea that the US is hiding crashed UFOs and aliens, I would not be surprised if some UFO person decided to go straight to the source and try to question or harass someone they believed was hiding the UFO secrets.

Even if there were no UFO secrets.

 

[Ron Soye]

i can see it. but a screenshot was posted so ... what do you need? it is the same words as what was posted here.

Screenshots and text can be manipulated. Archive absolutely everything. But I found it here (now archived on megalodon.jp).

 

[Mendel]

So, it would appear Ms. McCasland was able to have the local Sheriff's office issue a Silver Alert that didn't quite align with state criteria. Nothing nefarious or conspiratorial about this. I would think she reports him missing with some sort of "risk" presumably medical, and the BC Sheriff decided to use his authority to issue a Silver Alert, a bit out of normal guidelines, for a local concerned citizen.

If a senior citizen is missing in New Mexico without water, by the time the search starts he's sure to be "impaired", fulfilling the criteria.

 

[Ann K]

Does somebody here has Facebook account?

The Facebook page was quoted in @Ron Soye 's post, https://www.metabunk.org/threads/my...al-sparks-nationwide-search.14774/post-364822
There is no new information as of today.

 

[Rick Robson]

i can see it. but a screenshot was posted so ... what do you need? it is the same words as what was posted here.

I don't need anything here but, in case you didn't noticed, I quoted the reason for my question: "Sourcing that would be helpful."

 

[owntheissue]

Here's a statement from his wife:

r/UFOs: New update on Neil McCasland's disappearance, message from his wife: "Neil worked with Tom after his Air Force retirement as an unpaid (Neil's choice) consultant on military and technical/scientific matters...Neil does not have any special knowledge about the ET bodies and debris from the Roswell"
View attachment 88990


I don't use Facebook, but if you want the exact URL, it should be a post on this account: https://www.facebook.com/susanmccasland.wilkerson/

"Though at this point with absolutely no sign of him, maybe the best hypothesis is that aliens beamed him up to the mothership. However, no sightings of a mothership hovering above the Sandia Mountains have been reported."

Strange comment from a well educated spouse whose husband has been missing for 7 days without his phone or watch.
Given the circumstances (ignoring the fact that as a former DSP OUSDAT SAPOC- McCasland is a FORINTEL snag target) - most people would be worried enough to not make a (bad) UFO joke.

Mrs McCaslands comments about not being relevant any more seem a bit of a stretch as unless she has received exactly the same TS/SCI briefings as Mr McCasland (highly unlikely) - she almost certainly doesn't know what he knows.

 

[Rick Robson]

Strange comment from a well educated spouse whose husband has been missing for 7 days without his phone or watch

Judging by the information gathered so far, there's no definitive proof he didn't take his phone or watch with him.

 

[Mendel]

Judging by the information gathered so far, there's no definitive proof he didn't take his phone or watch with him.

They'd have tracked it if he did.

 

[Rick Robson]

"Though at this point with absolutely no sign of him, maybe the best hypothesis is that aliens beamed him up to the mothership. However, no sightings of a mothership hovering above the Sandia Mountains have been reported."

Strange comment from a well educated spouse whose husband has been missing for 7 days without his phone or watch.

I disagree, according to my interpretation, on that comment she implied it was a hypothesis raised by people from the UFO community.

 

[Mendel]

"Though at this point with absolutely no sign of him, maybe the best hypothesis is that aliens beamed him up to the mothership. However, no sightings of a mothership hovering above the Sandia Mountains have been reported."

Strange comment from a well educated spouse whose husband has been missing for 7 days without his phone or watch.
Given the circumstances (ignoring the fact that as a former DSP OUSDAT SAPOC- McCasland is a FORINTEL snag target) - most people would be worried enough to not make a (bad) UFO joke.

Mrs McCaslands comments about not being relevant any more seem a bit of a stretch as unless she has received exactly the same TS/SCI briefings as Mr McCasland (highly unlikely) - she almost certainly doesn't know what he knows.

Clearly Mrs McCasland had help wording this statement.

Also, clearly there has been no ransom demand.
Which means the outlook is bleak, and some gallows humor from the probable widow is absolutely fine, because looking at the situation realistically, there's not much hope.

She's going to know a lot about what he knows, some of the people who support her probably know exactly, but the statement is also aimed at the possibility that he was kidnapped with the aim of extracting information, and it's supposed to make the potential kidnappers give up the endeavour.
The UFO bit might actually be designed to reinforce that.

tl;dr don't second-guess what is clearly a thoughtfully prepared statement

 

[Ravi]

@Mendel

Good points (@ tl;dr), but I also see that you do the same as well:

Clearly Mrs McCasland had help wording this statement.

Also, clearly there has been no ransom demand.

Two guesses!

 

[Mendel]

@Mendel

Good points (@ tl;dr), but I also see that you do the same as well:

Two guesses!

When I do it, they're reasonable inferences.

We know Mrs McCasland has been in contact with the police, and if kidnapping is a consideration at all, they're going to be involved with the public messaging.

I also think the messaging would be different if it was a confirmed kidnapping.

 

[John J.]

[Mrs McCasland's statement] "Though at this point with absolutely no sign of him, maybe the best hypothesis is that aliens beamed him up to the mothership. However, no sightings of a mothership hovering above the Sandia Mountains have been reported."

Strange comment from a well educated spouse whose husband has been missing for 7 days...

It's sometimes hard to judge intent/ nuance from text alone, and I'm not sure how we're meant to take Mrs. McCasland's remark.

Maybe it conveys thinly-veiled exasperation at some of the theories about her husband's disappearance, expressed with politely gentle sarcasm.
(Same with the preceding reference to alien bodies and Roswell debris).

 

[Rick Robson]

When I do it, they're reasonable inferences.

We know Mrs McCasland has been in contact with the police, and if kidnapping is a consideration at all, they're going to be involved with the public messaging.

I also think the messaging would be different if it was a confirmed kidnapping.

Everybody here hopes this is not the case.
But the only thing we can certainly discount at this point is the dementia claim.

 

[owntheissue]

Clearly Mrs McCasland had help wording this statement.

Also, clearly there has been no ransom demand.
Which means the outlook is bleak, and some gallows humor from the probable widow is absolutely fine, because looking at the situation realistically, there's not much hope.

She's going to know a lot about what he knows, some of the people who support her probably know exactly, but the statement is also aimed at the possibility that he was kidnapped with the aim of extracting information, and it's supposed to make the potential kidnappers give up the endeavour.
The UFO bit might actually be designed to reinforce that.

tl;dr don't second-guess what is clearly a thoughtfully prepared statement

LOL thanks for the second guesses friend.
TS/SCI briefings are not extended to spouses - even if they are eligible for TS/SCI clearance. Compartmentalisation is a bit like that.

"Some Gallows Humour" is a frighteningly brutal assesment by the way.
You must know some real comedians.

 

[Mendel]

TS/SCI briefings are not extended to spouses

and they don't need to be

 

[Gary C]

Humans are known to occasionally, talk out of school.
Of safely recovered missing persons, 70-80% were recovered within the first 48-72 hours according to Gemini. Gallows humor may be all the wife has at this point.

 

[owntheissue]

and they don't need to be

Well could you at least explain what you meant by "She's going to know a lot about what he knows".

CI training is very specific on the dangers posed to the receiving party by the illegal sharing of information.

I hear you @ Gary C but McCasland is not just anyone - he's someone who must have passed lots of polygraphs over a long period.

 

[Ann K]

Everybody here hopes this is not the case.
But the only thing we can certainly discount at this point is the dementia claim.

Well ...no, we can't. As was pointed out earlier in this thread, a person, ANY person, can be "one stroke away".

 

[Rick Robson]

Well ...no, we can't. As was pointed out earlier in this thread, a person, ANY person, can be "one stroke away".

Well I backed my objection to that claim (as "one stroke away" arguably having a plausible probability) -- with an evidence against it.
The best evidence though being obviously his wife statement against those dementia claims.

 

[deirdre]

I don't need anything here but, in case you didn't noticed, I quoted the reason for my question: "Sourcing that would be helpful."

i was confused what "sourcing that" meant as we had a source. my question "what do you need?" , i was asking if you'd like me to tell you a timestamp on the post or read through some comments for you. i didnt mean "what more do you need than a screenshot".

 

[NoParty]

...the only thing we can certainly discount at this point is the dementia claim.

Discount, absolutely...though I don't think that it takes it entirely off the table.

There are multiple reasons that her assertion might not be correct:
She may not be comfortable saying in public that he's not all there, mentally. This sort of thing has some stigma, more so to her generation.

She also could be a bit in denial about it: Just as some (most?) people are reluctant to accept they they are slipping,
a spouse might not perceive that their loved one is in significant mental decline, either because it's an unwanted reality,
or, just seeing each other every day, the slow decline isn't noticed. Even a decline in her reasoning could contribute.
I take her at her word (though I too thought her 'joke' was odd) but I don't assume that she's completely correct...

 

[deirdre]

Humans are known to occasionally, talk out of school.
Of safely recovered missing persons, 70-80% were recovered within the first 48-72 hours according to Gemini. Gallows humor may be all the wife has at this point.

its not gallows humor. she's unamused at all the conspiracy theories and misinformation when her real life husband is missing.