New names in the UFO space Pippa and Harald Malmgren

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Recently there have been some high profile threads relating to 2 new? names in Ufology

Harald Malmgren and his daughter Pippa Malmgren


Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1ewrvu9/harald_malmgrens_daughter_former_advisor_to_gw/?ref=share&ref_source=link



Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1ewff6x/harald_malmgren_60_years_ago_i_was_provided/?ref=share&ref_source=link


These are presented as seemingly new credible people coming forward independently.

However some googling reveals links to some familiar names

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/drpi...-york-city-activity-7200516945115250688-76AB/

External Quote:
Karl Nell gave a truly historic speech. For those not paying attention to this strange and consequential topic, its an easy way to catch up. Note that Congress is starting another wave of legislation on all this. So, before you say "that's ridiculous", take the advice of Rear Admiral Gallaudet..
Seems maybe at the SALT conference, from the comments, linked posts.

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Perhaps there are other links I have not found yet.
 
I don't understand how these people are linked. Could you please explain that a bit more?
Pippa Malgrem is presented as a person with credentials who knows things from people involved in programs, non of the people are named, apart from Grusch.

The framing as such as she is a new person coming forward as a reputable person maybe with access to UFO programs as an advisor to Bush but in reality she it seems she has just been convinced that something is going on by the "usual people we all know about" ie Invisible College and hangers on.

This is the substack article that is screenshotted in the Reddit post (which includes a paywalled section on "her thoughts")

https://drpippa.substack.com/p/disclosure-of-anomalous-phenomena

The linked in post contains this, Gallaudet and Nell and their second/third hand claims have already been discussed here

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The framing as such as she is a new person coming forward as a reputable person maybe with access to UFO programs as an advisor to Bush but in reality she it seems she has just been convinced that something is going on by the "usual people we all know about" ie Invisible College and hangers on.

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The linked in post contains this, Gallaudet and Nell and their second/third hand claims have already been discussed here
The fun thing is that these names do already come up a lot on Metabunk.

Tim Gallaudet is a founding member of Ryan Graves' Americans for Safe Aerospace (which is lobbying for disclosure, too); Graves testified with Fravor and Grusch at the House Oversight Committee hearing last year.

Karl Nell is described as a "retired Army Colonel who worked with Grusch on the UAP Task Force", see https://www.metabunk.org/threads/da...d-craft-and-bodies-of-non-human-origin.12977/ , and who helped found The UAP Disclosure Fund with Louis Elizondo and others, see https://www.metabunk.org/threads/uaps-bigelow-and-the-invisible-college.11850/post-316835 .

That's likely the group that's indirectly been accused by the AARO Historical Report to fuel a circular process of secondhand claims that never lead anywhere but back to these guys.

There's no reason to assume Malmgren's claims are going to be any different; the more so since they should've already interviewed with AARO last year if they were going to blow the whistle on anything they have evidence of.
 
The fun thing is that these names do already come up a lot on Metabunk.

Tim Gallaudet is a founding member of Ryan Graves' Americans for Safe Aerospace (which is lobbying for disclosure, too); Graves testified with Fravor and Grusch at the House Oversight Committee hearing last year.

Karl Nell is described as a "retired Army Colonel who worked with Grusch on the UAP Task Force", see https://www.metabunk.org/threads/da...d-craft-and-bodies-of-non-human-origin.12977/ , and who helped found The UAP Disclosure Fund with Louis Elizondo and others, see https://www.metabunk.org/threads/uaps-bigelow-and-the-invisible-college.11850/post-316835 .

That's likely the group that's indirectly been accused by the AARO Historical Report to fuel a circular process of secondhand claims that never lead anywhere but back to these guys.

There's no reason to assume Malmgren's claims are going to be any different; the more so since they should've already interviewed with AARO last year if they were going to blow the whistle on anything they have evidence of.
Yes I know, the new names the a Malmgrens, the old names are Nell and Galladulet as I have already stated.
 

Something I always find funny in these cases. He must be 100% accurate about everything else, but, he inaccurately calls "Bissel" "Deputy Director for Special Ops" - this is not a title he had, he was the Deputy Director For Plans. It's also Bissell not Bissel. Also not sure where he got the Los Alamos part from, Bissell never did anything there. He also did not necessarily "run Area 51" in its current iteration, the initial CIA site and the later Air Force installation are correlated but uh, also distinct.

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https://www.eisenhowerlibrary.gov/s.../pdf/bissell-richard-m-jr-papers/appendix.pdf
 
This Bissell?:
"Mr. Bissell turned his love of building model airplanes into a career when he joined Lockheed Aircraft Company upon graduation. Bissell was assigned to work in the Lockheed Advanced Development Project, known as the ?Skunkworks,? as a designer in 1954. His first project was the U-2. Later, Bissell and his group reengineered the U-2 and this new plane, known as the U-2R, was able to carry more fuel and reach a higher altitude than the original. Bissell also designed and built the JetStar, which was a 10-passenger personnel transport for the Air Force and was later used as a Presidential plane."

http://www.agrc.umd.edu/news/news_story.php?id=3742
 
This Bissell?:
"Mr. Bissell turned his love of building model airplanes into a career when he joined Lockheed Aircraft Company upon graduation. Bissell was assigned to work in the Lockheed Advanced Development Project, known as the ?Skunkworks,? as a designer in 1954. His first project was the U-2. Later, Bissell and his group reengineered the U-2 and this new plane, known as the U-2R, was able to carry more fuel and reach a higher altitude than the original. Bissell also designed and built the JetStar, which was a 10-passenger personnel transport for the Air Force and was later used as a Presidential plane."

http://www.agrc.umd.edu/news/news_story.php?id=3742
Yeah, this is the Bissell he is speaking about.
 
Something I always find funny in these cases. He must be 100% accurate about everything else, but, he inaccurately calls "Bissel" "Deputy Director for Special Ops" - this is not a title he had, he was the Deputy Director For Plans. It's also Bissell not Bissel. Also not sure where he got the Los Alamos part from, Bissell never did anything there. He also did not necessarily "run Area 51" in its current iteration, the initial CIA site and the later Air Force installation are correlated but uh, also distinct.

As I understand it, the Deputy Directorate of Plans and the Directorate of Operations were the same position under different name/eras.

The Directorate of Operations (DO), less formally called the Clandestine Service,[2] is a component of the US Central Intelligence Agency.[2] It was known as the Directorate of Plans from 1951 to 1973; as the Directorate of Operations from 1973 to 2005; and as the National Clandestine Service (NCS) from 2005 to 2015.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directorate_of_Operations_(CIA)

I am not sure if Deputy Director for Special Ops was an official title, but the DDP/DO supervised/directed both the Office of Special Operations and the Office of Policy Coordination.

I think that Malmgren calling him Deputy Director for Special Ops might actually give him more credibility, because it suggests he is likely going off of memory rather than fabrication. And it seems like an easy mistake for Malmgren given he interacted with the people at these levels in the CIA over a long period and the titles and organization have changed. It is also conceivable that Bissell was presented informally as the Director for Special Ops at times, since he was the director of special ops, even if it wasn't his official title.
 
As I understand it, the Deputy Directorate of Plans and the Directorate of Operations were the same position under different name/eras.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directorate_of_Operations_(CIA)

I am not sure if Deputy Director for Special Ops was an official title, but the DDP/DO supervised/directed both the Office of Special Operations and the Office of Policy Coordination.

I think that Malmgren calling him Deputy Director for Special Ops might actually give him more credibility, because it suggests he is likely going off of memory rather than fabrication. And it seems like an easy mistake for Malmgren given he interacted with the people at these levels in the CIA over a long period and the titles and organization have changed. It is also conceivable that Bissell was presented informally as the Director for Special Ops at times, since he was the director of special ops, even if it wasn't his official title.
This was an old naming convention resultant of the OSS. Back in the early days of the CIA, the Office of Policy Coordination handled what is largely now called "Covert Action" and "Covert Influence", while the "Office of Special Operations" handled intelligence collection. This no longer exists, and the full DO is oriented towards Collection outside of a continuum of special functionaries that now handle COVAC and COVIN (it's now called the Special Activities Center, though had different names throughout the cold war, like the Covert Action Staff, etc).
Historically this "integration" happened fully in August 1952, as of then, OPC and OSO ceased to exist as separate functions. So, by the time Bissell became DDP in 1958, OSO & OPC no longer existed, and the term "Special Operations" was no longer used in that context (and ironically had shifted back to referencing what OPC did aligned to how the mil used the term "special operations").
There was no "Deputy Director for Special Operations" with the OSO.

Outside of the issue with that title reference and the term issue, before 1958 (more than 5 years past being cemented) Bissell was a Special Assistant to the DCI and ran the Development Projects Staff. He wasn't involved with either OSO or OPC.
 
There's a big new kerfuffle regarding the editing and proposal for deletion of Harald Malmgren's wiki page after his interview with Jesse Michaels and subsequent death. I haven't listened to the entire interview.


Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09KP8XVf5nY&ab_channel=JesseMichels


The edit history on this page is interesting. Most of r/UFOs is convinced that there's an edit war backed by Guerilla Skeptics, but it appears that it's pretty much down to 1 person making the edits and adding it to the Articles for Deletion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Harald_Malmgren
One interesting point to note is that it appears to me that Harald Malmgren pretty much wrote his own wiki page about 2 months after it was started as a stub.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/184.53.17.26

Check out April 3rd and 4th of 2015 for edits by an anonymous IP and then user Hmalmgren:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Harald_Malmgren&action=history&dir=prev


Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1k7iyi7/stop_funding_wikipedia_until_christopher_mellons/


Fun stuff.
 
I haven't listened to the entire interview.

No doubt! 4 hours? What's with these UFO shows, there always 1, 2, 3 hours long. I'm not a TikTok or Reels fan, but they couldn't do a bit of editing. I'll check it out while out in the shop and hear about what he touched.
 
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There's a big new kerfuffle regarding the editing and proposal for deletion of Harald Malmgren's wiki page after his interview with Jesse Michaels and subsequent death. I haven't listened to the entire interview.
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Fun stuff.
I skimmed the transcript and watched parts of the video.

Malmgren, who was 89, didn't seem entirely coherent and at best was pretty hand-wavy about a lot of his claims and the interviewer did not try to pin him down. Lots of blurred lines about what he "knew" and what he was actually personally involved in; interjections from the interviewer and Malmgren's daughter; and what the daughter told Michels offscreen about what her father told her on his deathbed.

There are odd claims here and there about the Knights of Malta and the Knights Templar, that story about the Vatican holding onto a downed UFO, transistors and lasers coming from alien tech, JFK being killed over UFOs, nuclear tests being designed solely to bring down UFOs based on advice from the alien survivor of the Roswell crash in 1947... it's a bit much. The Mafia's in there, too, along with Majestic 12.
 
I can't find any evidence for the claim that the Harold Malgren article was recently proposed for deletion. The Articles For Deletion (AFD) page shows the last time it was nominated for deletion was in 2015, and the vote was to keep the article.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Harald_Malmgren

In contrast, the AFD for the Christopher Mellon article shows the recent nomination and vote to delete.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Christopher_Mellon

I have to wonder if the screenshots people are sharing of the alleged recent proposal to delete the Harald Malmgren article are faked or screenshots from wayback machine from 2015.


Regarding the claims of handling crash material and seeing video of an alien from the Roswell crash, even assuming Mr. Malmgren was lucid and actually told Pippa about these, we have seen multiple times in the past where people were given scraps of trash and told they are pieces from a crashed alien ship, and an instance of Hal Puthoff, Kit Green and Eric Davis allegedly telling Robert Bigelow in a memo that the Alien Autopsy video hoax (or being extremely charitable, "recreation") was real footage. So the claims would need to be authenticated beyond just appeal to Mr. Malmgren's credentials.
 
I can't find any evidence for the claim that the Harold Malgren article was recently proposed for deletion. The Articles For Deletion (AFD) page shows the last time it was nominated for deletion was in 2015, and the vote was to keep the article.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Harald_Malmgren
This inaccurate, it was nominated for deletion again, but it has a separate AfD page for the second nomination. The vote was keep.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Harald_Malmgren_(2nd_nomination)
 
The framing as such as she is a new person coming forward as a reputable person maybe with access to UFO programs as an advisor to Bush but in reality she it seems she has just been convinced that something is going on by the "usual people we all know about" ie Invisible College and hangers on.

Agreed and would guess the same applies to her father who admits the part about him touching UAP material is entirely based upon Bissell's assertions.

Assertions which seem very outlandish given any alleged objects/materials observed/returning to Earth during the tests were most likely remnanats from instrumentation pods released during ascent as per the Project Officer's Report (graphics on page 96/97 PDF web viewer shows sequence.)
 
Douglas Dean Johnson just published an extremely well documented and researched article examining some of Harald Malmgren's claims in light of FOIA documents received by Johnson.

The article covers ten of Malmgren's claims regarding his alleged roles and associations in government using primary sources such as Malmgren's own contemporary job applications, FBI reports, etc, and finds all of the claims to be either contradicted or unsupported by primary sources.

The article is quite long and comprehensive, so I will only quote the opening summary.

https://douglasjohnson.ghost.io/harald-malmgren-history-vs-fantasy/

External Quote:
On small paving stones of truth, the late Harald B. Malmgren (1935-2025) built lofty towers of grandiose fantasy.

In a journalistic investigation so far extending more than four months, I gathered numerous documents that discredit stories that Malmgren told in 2024-25– stories that have been widely circulated on YouTube, X, reddit and other social-media platforms, newspaper tabloids, UFO-oriented blogs, and NewsNation, a national news and opinion network owned by Nexstar Media Group.

Detailed FBI files declassified in May 2025 in response to my Freedom of Information Act requests contain incontrovertible evidence that Malmgren fabricated some of his principal 2024-25 claims about the jobs and authorities he held, and the activities he engaged in, during 1962-64. For example: the FBI files prove that Malmgren never held a security clearance from the Atomic Energy Commission, as he repeatedly claimed in posts on X and in interviews– a key component of his 2024-25 UFO-adventure tales.

Federal job applications and job histories signed and certified by Malmgren himself in 1963, 1964, 1967, and 1970 are among the other documents I obtained that provide compelling evidence that some of the widely circulated Malmgren stories were fabrications.

In his 2024-2025 stories, Malmgren claimed that in 1962 he was personally recruited by National Security Advisor McGeorge Bundy, was immediately made a key personal aide ("whiz kid") to Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara and McNamara's personal liaison to the National Security Council. Malmgren said that as McNamara's personal agent, he directly faced off against USAF Chief of Staff General Curtis LeMay at a critical moment of the Cuban Missile Crisis, an exchange that Malmgren promoters insist prevented a nuclear catastrophe. Malmgren said that he held a "Q" clearance from the Atomic Energy Commission (AEC), and that thus empowered, he personally investigated for President Kennedy a UFO knocked down by a U.S. nuclear test in October, 1962 and recovered in part by the AEC. [1][2]

All of those claims were fiction.

By the time of Malmgren's death on February 13, 2025, at the age of 89, Malmgren and his promoters had drawn a picture of an extraordinary individual who had been instrumental in multiple matters of world-shaking consequence over a span of generations. A long post on X by Jesse Michels, creator of the American Alchemy YouTube channel, posted April 22, 2025, distilled many elements of that narrative; I have reproduced that post in its entirely near the end of this article, as part of APPENDIX B. In it, Michels asserted, "Harald is a hero who saved the world (and more than once)."

Well, no, Harald didn't save the world--no, not even once. He did once do his part to save the Japanese whaling industry, for $100,000/year– but I digress.

In the real world, Harald Malmgren was a very much less consequential figure than he led Michels and some others to believe. A half-century ago, Malmgren was for a time a very significant player in one particular sphere of federal public policy: trade policy. After that, for decades he was a successful consultant and lobbyist, dealing with trade and other international economic issues. He also was associated during different periods with various think tanks, institutes, councils, and government advisory committees. He was a professor or lecturer at several universities, dealing with the same subjects.

And that is pretty much it. Malmgren was really not a "senior advisor" or any kind of advisor to any U.S. presidents, except on trade policy to Presidents Nixon and Ford. He was never an advisor or aide to President Kennedy. He was not a roving super-statesman or secret-mission ambassador, not a behind-the-scenes intergenerational power broker. He was not influential in the development of ballistic missile defense plans, nor an expert on nuclear strategy– indeed, his serious involvement in defense-related issues, as such, was fairly marginal and short-lived. He did not demonstrate (or, until recently, claim) any special training or competence in any field of science or engineering.

There are weighty reasons to be extremely skeptical of Malmgren's 2024-2025 representations that he had a close relationship with, and received extensive shocking revelations from, Richard Bissell, Jr., a famous figure in the history of the CIA.

Malmgren's explicit claim to have become a member of the Kennedy Family "inner circle" through a close association with President Kennedy's brother-in-law, Sargent Shriver, was contradicted in communications to me from Shriver's son, Mark Kennedy Shriver; from the executive director of Shriver's foundation, Dr. Lucy di Rosa; and from Shriver's biography, Scott Stossel. And for the most part, this was the pattern I found wherever I went to check the more interesting Malmgren claims: Harald who?

Overall, it is a curious tale, for Harald Malmgren was generally regarded as a highly intelligent man– albeit also often perceived as egotistical and abrasive– and he had some substantial accomplishments in his chosen field (international economics, trade policy). Many men in their later years would have looked back on those genuine accomplishments with satisfaction. But for whatever reason, for Harald Malmgren his true history apparently was much less than what he felt he deserved to be remembered for. Some years ago he began to make up an alternative, much more exciting version of his life– stories in which he played a vastly more important role in world affairs than the mundane, respectable reality. Over time and with encouragement, those stories multiplied, and they grew ever more self-glorifying. With each new revelation, enthusiasts encouraged him to tell more. He proved more than willing to oblige.
Source: https://douglasjohnson.ghost.io/harald-malmgren-history-vs-fantasy/

Mr. Johnson is also working on three related articles discussing specific claims in even more detail (one of which appears to have been already published since I read the article last night, and which I have not read yet).

External Quote:
I plan to publish at least three additional articles related to the article that you are reading; each will be live-linked below when published:

-- Bluegill Triple Prime: Did a nuclear test knock down a nonhuman craft in 1962? The theory that the Bluegill Triple Prime nuclear test of October 26, 1962 knocked down a nonhuman craft was developed and publicized a couple of years before Malmgren attached himself to it (and later to some other UFO stories). But did the 1962 UFO event itself really happen? This article is an in-depth look at that question, incorporating some documents that I think have never previously been presented in association with the case. Published May 21, 2025.

-- Harald Malmgren saves the world: a fantasy set during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Since at least 2018, Malmgren told various versions of an ahistorical story in which, as the personal aide of Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara, Malmgren faced down USAF Chief of Staff Curtis LeMay at the height of the Cuban Missile Crisis, in the presence of top military generals, and (his admirers say) saved the world from nuclear war. This article will make the case that nothing resembling this episode ever occurred.

-- Harald Malmgren: White House UFO investigator? This article will take a closer look at Harald Malmgren's claims that as a key McNamara-White House-JFK aide, he investigated the knockdown and recovery of a nonhuman craft in 1962, that he touched pieces of it while visiting Atomic Energy Commission regional director Lawrence Preston Gise at Los Alamos, that the alien stuff spoke to him in his mind, and so forth.
Source: https://douglasjohnson.ghost.io/harald-malmgren-history-vs-fantasy/
 
On June 9, 2025, I published a second investigative report pertaining to the late Harald Malmgren, this one scrutinizing specifically his "war room story." This story involves Malmgren, purportedly as the 27-year-old personal agent of Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara, participating in a meeting involving members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in a Pentagon "war room," at the point of resolution of the Cuban Missile Crisis in October 1962, and personally foiling a scheme by General Curtis LeMay to launch a punitive nuclear strike on Moscow and/or other strategic sites in the Soviet Union. I posted a summary of my new 12,000-word article in the People sub-forum thread on Harald Malmgren:
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/ha...documented-prosaic-history.14234/#post-346430
 
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