New names in the UFO space Pippa and Harald Malmgren

[jarlrmai]

Recently there have been some high profile threads relating to 2 new? names in Ufology

Harald Malmgren and his daughter Pippa Malmgren


Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1ewrvu9/harald_malmgrens_daughter_former_advisor_to_gw/?ref=share&ref_source=link



Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1ewff6x/harald_malmgren_60_years_ago_i_was_provided/?ref=share&ref_source=link


These are presented as seemingly new credible people coming forward independently.

However some googling reveals links to some familiar names

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/drpi...-york-city-activity-7200516945115250688-76AB/

Karl Nell gave a truly historic speech. For those not paying attention to this strange and consequential topic, its an easy way to catch up. Note that Congress is starting another wave of legislation on all this. So, before you say "that's ridiculous", take the advice of Rear Admiral Gallaudet..

Seems maybe at the SALT conference, from the comments, linked posts.

Perhaps there are other links I have not found yet.

 

[tjskep]

i wonder why they didnt come out to the big hearing to back up what grusch and others were saying

 

[Mendel]

However some googling reveals links to some familiar names

I don't understand how these people are linked. Could you please explain that a bit more?

 

[jarlrmai]

I don't understand how these people are linked. Could you please explain that a bit more?

Pippa Malgrem is presented as a person with credentials who knows things from people involved in programs, non of the people are named, apart from Grusch.

The framing as such as she is a new person coming forward as a reputable person maybe with access to UFO programs as an advisor to Bush but in reality she it seems she has just been convinced that something is going on by the "usual people we all know about" ie Invisible College and hangers on.

This is the substack article that is screenshotted in the Reddit post (which includes a paywalled section on "her thoughts")

https://drpippa.substack.com/p/disclosure-of-anomalous-phenomena

The linked in post contains this, Gallaudet and Nell and their second/third hand claims have already been discussed here

 

[Mendel]

The framing as such as she is a new person coming forward as a reputable person maybe with access to UFO programs as an advisor to Bush but in reality she it seems she has just been convinced that something is going on by the "usual people we all know about" ie Invisible College and hangers on.

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The linked in post contains this, Gallaudet and Nell and their second/third hand claims have already been discussed here

The fun thing is that these names do already come up a lot on Metabunk.

Tim Gallaudet is a founding member of Ryan Graves' Americans for Safe Aerospace (which is lobbying for disclosure, too); Graves testified with Fravor and Grusch at the House Oversight Committee hearing last year.

Karl Nell is described as a "retired Army Colonel who worked with Grusch on the UAP Task Force", see https://www.metabunk.org/threads/da...d-craft-and-bodies-of-non-human-origin.12977/ , and who helped found The UAP Disclosure Fund with Louis Elizondo and others, see https://www.metabunk.org/threads/uaps-bigelow-and-the-invisible-college.11850/post-316835 .

That's likely the group that's indirectly been accused by the AARO Historical Report to fuel a circular process of secondhand claims that never lead anywhere but back to these guys.

There's no reason to assume Malmgren's claims are going to be any different; the more so since they should've already interviewed with AARO last year if they were going to blow the whistle on anything they have evidence of.

 

[taurusclover21]

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Perhaps there are other links I have not found yet.

Can you reply with the link to that Tweet? I searched for it but couldn't find it. Furthermore, his account/profile description has changed since that image was captured.

 

[jarlrmai]

The fun thing is that these names do already come up a lot on Metabunk.

Tim Gallaudet is a founding member of Ryan Graves' Americans for Safe Aerospace (which is lobbying for disclosure, too); Graves testified with Fravor and Grusch at the House Oversight Committee hearing last year.

Karl Nell is described as a "retired Army Colonel who worked with Grusch on the UAP Task Force", see https://www.metabunk.org/threads/da...d-craft-and-bodies-of-non-human-origin.12977/ , and who helped found The UAP Disclosure Fund with Louis Elizondo and others, see https://www.metabunk.org/threads/uaps-bigelow-and-the-invisible-college.11850/post-316835 .

That's likely the group that's indirectly been accused by the AARO Historical Report to fuel a circular process of secondhand claims that never lead anywhere but back to these guys.

There's no reason to assume Malmgren's claims are going to be any different; the more so since they should've already interviewed with AARO last year if they were going to blow the whistle on anything they have evidence of.

Yes I know, the new names the a Malmgrens, the old names are Nell and Galladulet as I have already stated.

 

[jarlrmai]

Can you reply with the link to that Tweet? I searched for it but couldn't find it. Furthermore, his account/profile description has changed since that image was captured.

Which tweet?

This one?


Source: https://x.com/Halsrethink/status/1825658208175702074

 

[knobby]

Harald appears to be walking back from any claims that he knows anything about UAPs.

I never directly worked on UAPs, nor indirectly used such research in my own work. Therefore, I cannot be treated as a source of confirmation of UAP info.

Source: https://twitter.com/Halsrethink/status/1825678350855090438

 

[jarlrmai]

So perhaps he can explain what exactly he meant by "otherworld technologies"

 

[Tezcatlipoca]

Which tweet?

This one?


Source: https://x.com/Halsrethink/status/1825658208175702074

Something I always find funny in these cases. He must be 100% accurate about everything else, but, he inaccurately calls "Bissel" "Deputy Director for Special Ops" - this is not a title he had, he was the Deputy Director For Plans. It's also Bissell not Bissel. Also not sure where he got the Los Alamos part from, Bissell never did anything there. He also did not necessarily "run Area 51" in its current iteration, the initial CIA site and the later Air Force installation are correlated but uh, also distinct.

https://www.eisenhowerlibrary.gov/s.../pdf/bissell-richard-m-jr-papers/appendix.pdf

 

[Todd Feinman]

This Bissell?:
"Mr. Bissell turned his love of building model airplanes into a career when he joined Lockheed Aircraft Company upon graduation. Bissell was assigned to work in the Lockheed Advanced Development Project, known as the ?Skunkworks,? as a designer in 1954. His first project was the U-2. Later, Bissell and his group reengineered the U-2 and this new plane, known as the U-2R, was able to carry more fuel and reach a higher altitude than the original. Bissell also designed and built the JetStar, which was a 10-passenger personnel transport for the Air Force and was later used as a Presidential plane."

http://www.agrc.umd.edu/news/news_story.php?id=3742

 

[Tezcatlipoca]

This Bissell?:
"Mr. Bissell turned his love of building model airplanes into a career when he joined Lockheed Aircraft Company upon graduation. Bissell was assigned to work in the Lockheed Advanced Development Project, known as the ?Skunkworks,? as a designer in 1954. His first project was the U-2. Later, Bissell and his group reengineered the U-2 and this new plane, known as the U-2R, was able to carry more fuel and reach a higher altitude than the original. Bissell also designed and built the JetStar, which was a 10-passenger personnel transport for the Air Force and was later used as a Presidential plane."

http://www.agrc.umd.edu/news/news_story.php?id=3742

Yeah, this is the Bissell he is speaking about.

 

[taurusclover21]

Which tweet?

The one referenced in my reply.

https://www.metabunk.org/attachments/1724160818752-png.70928/

 

[Mendel]

The one referenced in my reply.

https://www.metabunk.org/attachments/1724160818752-png.70928/

it's not a tweet, it's a comment on linkedin, follow the link given in the OP to find it

 

[beku-mant]

Something I always find funny in these cases. He must be 100% accurate about everything else, but, he inaccurately calls "Bissel" "Deputy Director for Special Ops" - this is not a title he had, he was the Deputy Director For Plans. It's also Bissell not Bissel. Also not sure where he got the Los Alamos part from, Bissell never did anything there. He also did not necessarily "run Area 51" in its current iteration, the initial CIA site and the later Air Force installation are correlated but uh, also distinct.

As I understand it, the Deputy Directorate of Plans and the Directorate of Operations were the same position under different name/eras.

The Directorate of Operations (DO), less formally called the Clandestine Service,[2]​ is a component of the US Central Intelligence Agency.[2]​ It was known as the Directorate of Plans from 1951 to 1973; as the Directorate of Operations from 1973 to 2005; and as the National Clandestine Service (NCS) from 2005 to 2015.[3]​

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directorate_of_Operations_(CIA)

I am not sure if Deputy Director for Special Ops was an official title, but the DDP/DO supervised/directed both the Office of Special Operations and the Office of Policy Coordination.

I think that Malmgren calling him Deputy Director for Special Ops might actually give him more credibility, because it suggests he is likely going off of memory rather than fabrication. And it seems like an easy mistake for Malmgren given he interacted with the people at these levels in the CIA over a long period and the titles and organization have changed. It is also conceivable that Bissell was presented informally as the Director for Special Ops at times, since he was the director of special ops, even if it wasn't his official title.

 

[Tezcatlipoca]

As I understand it, the Deputy Directorate of Plans and the Directorate of Operations were the same position under different name/eras.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directorate_of_Operations_(CIA)

I am not sure if Deputy Director for Special Ops was an official title, but the DDP/DO supervised/directed both the Office of Special Operations and the Office of Policy Coordination.

I think that Malmgren calling him Deputy Director for Special Ops might actually give him more credibility, because it suggests he is likely going off of memory rather than fabrication. And it seems like an easy mistake for Malmgren given he interacted with the people at these levels in the CIA over a long period and the titles and organization have changed. It is also conceivable that Bissell was presented informally as the Director for Special Ops at times, since he was the director of special ops, even if it wasn't his official title.

This was an old naming convention resultant of the OSS. Back in the early days of the CIA, the Office of Policy Coordination handled what is largely now called "Covert Action" and "Covert Influence", while the "Office of Special Operations" handled intelligence collection. This no longer exists, and the full DO is oriented towards Collection outside of a continuum of special functionaries that now handle COVAC and COVIN (it's now called the Special Activities Center, though had different names throughout the cold war, like the Covert Action Staff, etc).
Historically this "integration" happened fully in August 1952, as of then, OPC and OSO ceased to exist as separate functions. So, by the time Bissell became DDP in 1958, OSO & OPC no longer existed, and the term "Special Operations" was no longer used in that context (and ironically had shifted back to referencing what OPC did aligned to how the mil used the term "special operations").
There was no "Deputy Director for Special Operations" with the OSO.

Outside of the issue with that title reference and the term issue, before 1958 (more than 5 years past being cemented) Bissell was a Special Assistant to the DCI and ran the Development Projects Staff. He wasn't involved with either OSO or OPC.