Russia and Ukraine Current Events

old news, but i was wondering about that dam
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MOSCOW, Feb 26 (Reuters) - Russian troops have destroyed a concrete dam built in Ukraine's Kherson Region in 2014 to cut off water to Crimea, the RIA news agency quoted the governor of Russian-annexed Crimea Sergei Aksyonov as saying on Saturday.

Ukraine cut off the fresh water supply to Crimea by damming a canal that had supplied 85% of the peninsula's needs before Moscow annexed Crimea in 2014.
 
evidence: a bullet hole in a gas tank, probably.

Sorry, but this is indistinguishable from propaganda.

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WASHINGTON — Plagued by poor morale as well as fuel and food shortages, some Russian troops in Ukraine have surrendered en masse or sabotaged their own vehicles to avoid fighting, a senior Pentagon official said on Tuesday.

Some entire Russian units have laid down their arms without a fight after confronting a surprisingly stiff Ukrainian defense, the official said. A significant number of the Russian troops are young conscripts who are poorly trained and ill-prepared for the all-out assault. And in some cases, Russian troops have deliberately punched holes in their vehicles’ gas tanks, presumably to avoid combat, the official said.

The Pentagon official declined to say how the military made these assessments — presumably a mosaic of intelligence including statements from captured Russian soldiers and communications intercepts — or how widespread these setbacks may be across the sprawling battlefield. The official spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss operational developments.

link to full transcript of what he said:
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And of course, we're seeing that on the ground, the fairly slow and stodgy progress that they have made. And you guys are seeing it for yourselves on the ground, where, you know, units are surrendering, sometimes without a fight, and they've got -- you know, a lot of these soldiers are conscripts, never been in combat before. Some of them, we believe, weren't even told they were going to be in combat.


and
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Q: And what -- you said "running out of gas." There's also been reports that Russian troops are punching holes in their own gas tanks and -- to deliberately run out of gas. Can you confirm that?

SENIOR DEFENSE OFFICIAL: We can't confirm it definitively. We've seen those reports. No reason to doubt those reports, but can't independently verify them.


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And we also believe that a part of the stall could be -- and I emphasize the word "could" -- could be a result of their own self-determined sort of pause in operations, that they are possibly regrouping, rethinking, reevaluating, that that could be part of it.
 
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old news, but i was wondering about that dam
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Ukraine cut off the fresh water supply to Crimea by damming a canal that had supplied 85% of the peninsula's needs before Moscow annexed Crimea in 2014.
Russia complained about it to the European Court of Human Rights last year (application 36958/21, see https://www.echr.coe.int/Pages/home.aspx?p=caselaw/interstate&c= ).
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They also complain about the water supply to Crimea at the Northern Crimean Canal being switched off [...]

In the context of the application, the Russian Government submitted an urgent request under Rule 39 (interim measures) of the Rules of Court to indicate to the Ukrainian Government:

– to stop restrictions on the rights of Russian-speaking persons notably as concerns access to use of their mother tongue in schools, the media and the Internet; and,

– to order the Ukrainian authorities to suspend the blockade of the North Crimean Canal.

The Court decided to reject the request under Rule 39 of the Rules of Court since it did not involve a serious risk of irreparable harm of a core right under the European Convention on Human Rights.
 
evidence: a bullet hole in a gas tank, probably.

Sorry, but this is indistinguishable from propaganda.

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WASHINGTON — Plagued by poor morale as well as fuel and food shortages, some Russian troops in Ukraine have surrendered en masse or sabotaged their own vehicles to avoid fighting, a senior Pentagon official said on Tuesday.

Some entire Russian units have laid down their arms without a fight after confronting a surprisingly stiff Ukrainian defense, the official said. A significant number of the Russian troops are young conscripts who are poorly trained and ill-prepared for the all-out assault. And in some cases, Russian troops have deliberately punched holes in their vehicles’ gas tanks, presumably to avoid combat, the official said.

The Pentagon official declined to say how the military made these assessments — presumably a mosaic of intelligence including statements from captured Russian soldiers and communications intercepts — or how widespread these setbacks may be across the sprawling battlefield. The official spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss operational developments.
Which part is propaganda?
 
Which part is propaganda?
I'm not saying it is propaganda, I'm saying I can't tell if it's propaganda or not.
"Russian morale is low" is one piece of propaganda that's particularly obvious: it's easy to claim, possible to show on TV anecdotally, but is it true in general?

Same with the gas tank story: even if someone had found an abandoned vehicle with a hole in the tank, how can you tell that it wasn't a Ukranian who put it there? Obviously, in terms of PsyOps, claiming that Russians abandon their vehicles is a good idea either way. (Wouldn't it be easier and less dangerous to slash the tires?)
 
Kyiv web cams appear to be operating

DIRECTO KIEV | Plaza de la Independencia | Ucrania Rusia

1,490 watching now
Started streaming on Mar 3, 2022



Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex5HS_63Hb4


https://www.skylinewebcams.com/en/webcam/ukraine/kyiv-city-council/kyiv/maidan-square.html



https://www.skylinewebcams.com/en/webcam/ukraine/kyiv-city-council/kyiv/ukraine-conflict.html

This webcam in Ukraine overlooks the mesmerizing Maidan Square, in Kyiv (Київ), one of the most famous cities in Eastern Europe.
Walking along the streets of the Ukrainian capital, tourists can observe many architectural styles: Soviet buildings rise next to Orthodox cathedrals and imperial palaces, silhouetting the city’s unique skyline
 
Which part is propaganda?
this part
" And in some cases, Russian troops have deliberately punched holes in their vehicles’ gas tanks, presumably to avoid combat, the official said."

the official did not say that. (see post 162 above)


speaking of which, our media has been reporting the Russian troups running out of food on like day 3 of the invasion. Is that normal for armies to run out of food 3 days in? <not being snarky, it's a serious question since you seem to know military stuff better than i.
 
I'm not saying it is propaganda, I'm saying I can't tell if it's propaganda or not.

If it is propaganda then wouldn't it have to be propadanda from the New York Times? But seems more like lazy journalism to me: as Deirdre has pointed out, not only are they not quoting the government official, they're not even paraphrasing what he said - they're making their own story out of what he said he'd heard and didn't have any reason to doubt but couldn't definitely confirm.
 
I'm not saying it is propaganda, I'm saying I can't tell if it's propaganda or not.
"Russian morale is low" is one piece of propaganda that's particularly obvious: it's easy to claim, possible to show on TV anecdotally, but is it true in general?

Same with the gas tank story: even if someone had found an abandoned vehicle with a hole in the tank, how can you tell that it wasn't a Ukranian who put it there? Obviously, in terms of PsyOps, claiming that Russians abandon their vehicles is a good idea either way. (Wouldn't it be easier and less dangerous to slash the tires?)
Whilst I agree that the dozens of videos of bewildered and hungry Russian soldiers may not be representative of the whole force, I would say that they are at least an indicator of how its not exactly going well. Russian soldiers are hungry and don't appear well equipped by any stretch.

Running out of fuel is also something that is also obvious, regardless of whether it is deliberate self-sabotage or simple logistic problems.
 
they're making their own story out of what he said he'd heard
the reporter asking the question had seen the reports, and asked the official to confirm
the reports themselves came from someone else
and we don't know if they're true
but they're useful and haven't been debunked, so the NYT (and other outlets) propagate them

The Ukrainian military found a truck with rations that expired in 2014.
were they still good? it's not like there's any fresh food in these

dozens of videos of bewildered and hungry Russian soldiers
I seem to see the same 3 videos over and over
and most tell only half a story
not all shoplifters are hungry
 
I found a good article on the ins and outs of no-fly-zones, here's the conclusion:
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From a distant viewpoint, the no-fly zone might seem like a somewhat impersonal option for the employment of military force. The reality is that effective enforcement involves flying over territory where fighting is occurring, and enforcing a no-fly zone means the intent to kill anything that opposes it — whether a fighter in the air or a missile system on the ground.

In Ukraine, the potential no-fly zone is fundamentally a political statement. In this case, the political statement is much more than the threat of escalation — it is a direct escalation against Russia and a general widening of the conflict to include NATO as a direct combatant.
 
Yes, and looting stores, and knocking on people's doors asking for food. The Ukrainian military found a truck with rations that expired in 2014.
your video doesnt show knocking on doors, just a bunch of guys standing around. plus the instagram is from 2 days ago and says they havent eaten in 4 days.

the invasion started on feb 24th. that's why i asked if you if it was normal to invade a country with less than 3 days rations of food. sounds suspicious to me.

granted i dont know what they are saying in the video, i cant even tell if they are Russians or Ukrainians... i dont speak either language.

No, but it is a good indicator of poor discipline and/or low morale.
or boredom. but it also indicates they are not upset about invading ukraine (the story i've been hearing) as why would you steal Funions and oranges from Ukrainians if you felt bad.
 
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Footage shows Israeli’s car coming under Ukrainian fire in deadly mistaken identity​

Video footage was released Wednesday by Israeli television purportedly showing the deadly shooting of an Israeli man traveling in a convoy outside Kyiv when Ukrainian troops apparently mistook him for a Russian-aligned militant.
The footage showed a stopped car coming under sustained fire, with at least one person shooting toward the vehicle from close range.
The Kan public broadcaster said it appeared the gunman was a member of a Ukrainian civilian defense militia. It had earlier been reported that the Israeli was killed by a Ukrainian soldier.

Roman Brodsky, a father of two, had been living in Ukraine with his family.
Brodsky’s partner, named only as Mila, told Kan that she believed he was shot dead on Monday when he was misidentified after a photograph circulated in Ukraine showing Chechen fighters in a black Porsche, similar to her partner’s vehicle.
“I was driving the other car behind him, as soon as the shooting started I got out of the car. I heard people say they were waiting for some Porsche. Is that him? How can you shoot without checking the vehicle documents? Our vehicle was a different color. Animals!” Mila said.

Despite Ukrainians shooting Brodsky, his family told the Channel 12 news outlet that they blame the “dictator” Vladimir Putin for his death.
 
It's not weird. Индивидуальный Рацион Питания (ИРП) is Russian for Individual Ration of Nutrition.
the военторг translation. but it must be like a company name as not all of them expiring 2015 have that on them.
 
i found this site accounted for its claims and appears to do best to verify from multiples sources & often with back story. The above helicopter v missile is explored plus others


https://theaviationgeekclub.com/suk...ussian-aircraft-shot-down-over-ukraine-today/

It looks like it’s raining in Ukraine today….

A Mi-24 was shot down, then a Su-30SM, a Su-34, another Su-34, a Mi-28, a Mi-35 and two Mi-8s – most of these in the Bashtanka region of the Mykolaiv Oblast.

Please mind: we are updating data as new info is coming in.
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Another alleged whistleblower text is making the rounds. Even if it's been written by a Western analyst, it seems more thoughtful than the previous "leak". I'm not sure I want to trust all of the information, though.
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My translation of the analysis of the current situation in Russia by an active FSB analyst. Buckle up for a long thread and definitely please share far & wide. The full text is over 2000 words. This is a highly insightful look behind the curtain - covers many subjects.

But then it turns out that the hypothetical has turned into reality, and the analysis we’ve done on that hypothetical is total trash. We have no answer to the sanctions because of this. No one knew there’d be such a war, so no one prepared for these sanctions.

It’s the flipside consequence of the secrecy – since everyone was kept in the dark, how could we prepare for it?

With regards to Russian military losses: I don’t know the reality – no one does. There was some information the first 2 days, but now no one knows what is happening in Ukraine. We’ve lost contact with major divisions. (!!)

Our conditional deadline is June. Conditional because in June there will be no economy left in Russia – there will be nothing left.
Is there a possibility of a localized nuclear strike (in Ukraine)? Yes. Not for any military objectives. Such a weapon won’t help with the breach of the defenses. But with a goal of scaring everyone else (The West).
Next. Syria. “Guys – hold on, everything will end in Ukraine and then we will fortify our positions in Syria.” And now at any moment our contingent stationed there may run out of supplies, and then ridiculous heat will come….

Turkey is closing the strait, and sending supplies to Syria by air is the same as heating an oven with cash. Please note – this is all happening at the same time, and we don’t even have time to throw it all in one pile for analysis.

Copy on facebook: https://www.facebook.com/IGORSUSHKORACING/posts/10158862499670662

Russian original on facebook:

Source: https://www.facebook.com/100002653071498/posts/4811633942268327



The text is interesting, not so much as it repeats known (propaganda?) claims (Russia was badly prepared, the military is disorganized, the economy is suffering, etc.), but because of the ideas that Russia might be using tactical nukes the way the US used Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945 (I expect this is why Zelensky's top priority is not letting Russians control the airspace), and because of the logistics problem in reaching Syria, or in intensifying trade with China.

How could they "lose contact with major divisions"? I'd expect that this simply doesn't happen (except in a situation where a military is getting overrun).
 
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I have no facts other than my own feelings. I wish this would all end because for sure the deaths and destruction are not needed in this world today. Russia/Putin faced with a neighboring country being free and democratic was at first the thought that perhaps it was just going to show him up too much? then there is Finland, it's been there since the start and through the disintegration and now it is still there but finally sensing that perhaps it might finally want to be in NATO after all. what i wonder about is why these countries can't right now just sign an alliance agreement with France or German or England which then would draw in NATO anyways? a quickie end run... too late for Ukraine but others might want to take that route for now.
 
Another alleged whistleblower text is making the rounds. Even if it's been written by a Western analyst, it seems more thoughtful than the previous "leak". I'm not sure I want to trust all of the information, though.
he sounds like "Q".
 
what i wonder about is why these countries can't right now just sign an alliance agreement with France or German or England which then would draw in NATO anyways?
they are NATO allies already.

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European Union members[edit]
Austria (February 10, 1995)[6]
Finland (May 9, 1994)[6]
Ireland (December 1, 1999)[6]
Malta (joined April 26, 1995;[6][7] withdrew on October 27, 1996;[8] reactivated its membership on March 20, 2008;[9] this was accepted by NATO on April 3, 2008.[10])
Sweden (May 9, 1994)[6]

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The text is interesting, not so much as it repeats known claims, but because of the ideas that Russia might be using tactical nukes

I'm expecting nukes at some point. If Putin is on his way down/out I wouldn't be surprised if he decides to take a chunk of the world with him.
 
they are NATO allies already.

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European Union members[edit]
Austria (February 10, 1995)[6]
Finland (May 9, 1994)[6]
Ireland (December 1, 1999)[6]
Malta (joined April 26, 1995;[6][7] withdrew on October 27, 1996;[8] reactivated its membership on March 20, 2008;[9] this was accepted by NATO on April 3, 2008.[10])
Sweden (May 9, 1994)[6]

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that map doesn't show what you think it does? Finland is not being shown as an ally of NATO or any NATO members.
 
If enough people in Ukraine are willing to go down shooting and they have enough guns I don't see how Russia can do this. 146 million vs 43 million. if we subtract the people from each who are not capable or available to fight we're still going to end up with about the same odds. that's a lot of dead Russians and Ukrainians but ultimately I think Russia will be forced to give up. The damage they do in the meantime will really hurt Ukraine but that can be rebuilt and will likely be rebuilt using Russian oil and gas funds. I don't see Russia coming out of this well no matter what. Throw in Belarusse and that's what another 10 million or so? That's still not enough if Ukraine is willing to fight to the last.


On a bit of a different tangent this also is interesting if true:

Ukrainian drone enthusiasts sign up to repel Russian forces:​

https://apnews.com/article/russia-u...iness-europe-47dfea7579cedfe65a70296eb0188212

The article is talking about small drones being used by citizens and also the armed services to help their effort to fight more effectively. a small civilian drone can accomplish a lot for surveillance for not that much expenditure. hard to do much to prevent them from doing this because they are so small and can stay away far enough to not easily be seen. What struck me as even more interesting is that I'd just came from looking at various reports of people going to join the fight from other countries and some of them were bringing drones with them. Good luck to all, be safe, fly well, come home. I mean that to Russian soldiers and citizens too. All need to come home safe.
 
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I'm expecting nukes at some point. If Putin is on his way down/out I wouldn't be surprised if he decides to take a chunk of the world with him.
Within the context of Russia’s original stated mission of putting an end to the alleged humanitarian crisis in the separatist regions, using any kind of nuclear weapon on Ukraine would be hard to justify and would badly (if not fatally) damage the legitimacy of the military action with Russian citizens at home, whose support Putin continues to need. It would also ensure more severe and widespread sanctions, likely draw condemnation from China, leave Russia politically isolated, etc. Anything’s possible, but I’d bet heavily against it, regardless of any alleged FSB leaks.
 
Within the context of Russia’s original stated mission of putting an end to the alleged humanitarian crisis in the separatist regions, using any kind of nuclear weapon on Ukraine would be hard to justify and would badly (if not fatally) damage the legitimacy of the military action with Russian citizens at home, whose support Putin continues to need.

Right. But if he was on the ropes and facing personal oblivion that would be a different scenario.
 
Right. But if he was on the ropes and facing personal oblivion that would be a different scenario.
I agree. The more unstable a nuclear power’s leader, the greater the risk of an intentional launch. Though I think the greatest threat from nuclear weapons we’ve faced since the end of the Cold War, and still the greatest threat today, is from an accidental or misinformed launch. And the current Russian military action has elevated that risk substantially.
 
Some perspective.

The invasion of Poland. The major military operation lasted from Sept 1 to Oct 6,1939. It was accomplished by two major powers: Germany from the west and The USSR from the east. There was an Insurgency in Poland that lasted through the rest of war. Most notably the Warsaw Uprising: a major operation in the summer of 1944. (Not to be confused with the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising in April 1943.)

The Battle of France: May 10 to June 25, 1940.

Both shocked the world at how quickly they went. But the largest war in Europe since WWII is still ongoing since February 24 and the world is shocked at how slowly it's happening.

If this lasts as long the Battle of France, the major military operation phase of this war will end on April 11. This is defined as when the Ukrainian Armed Forces have been defeated, not the Nation of Ukraine. There will certainly be an ongoing Insurgency, which has truly already begun.

http://web.mit.edu/SSP/seminars/wed...rman campaign against,Military Affairs" (RMA).
The Myth of Blitzkrieg

Colonel Robert Doughty

October 14, 1998​

The 1940 German campaign against France and the concept of blitzkrieg have exerted a powerful influence over modern perceptions of warfare. The 1940 campaign is frequently cited in discussions of strategy and operations and in publications about the "Revolution in Military Affairs" (RMA). Proponents of the RMA have argued that blitzkrieg was the product of technological and conceptual advances during the interwar period. They have also claimed that the 1940 campaign demonstrates how such advances can quickly change the conduct of warfare.

Many of the concepts associated with blitzkrieg are actually myths. This is a consequence of poor military history and the preponderance of popular accounts of the 1940 campaign. For example, German doctrinal innovation was due more to the unfavorable situation Germany faced rather than to any "revolution" in technology or concepts of warfare. Their planning the 1940 campaign did not expect a swift, easy defeat of France nor was its success solely attributable to technology, specifically tanks and airpower. Rather, the campaign had modest objectives, German strategy and tactics were extremely important, and the infantry played a critical role in its success

The concept of blitzkrieg as it is now understood was not developed by Hitler and the German General Staff. Rather, it was formulated for public consumption. The term appeared occasionally in the literature between 1936 and 1940 and was the subject of a Time magazine article after France’s defeat. At this time, blitzkrieg simply meant a knockout blow in contrast to the trench warfare of World War I. The Germans, for example, employed the term to refer to a short war. No theorist used it to refer to a combined offensive by armored forces and aircraft to deliver a knockout blow against an adversary.

Rather than a revolution, mobile warfare represented a natural evolution in the conduct of war. The development of methods and equipment necessary for mobile warfare was informed by the experience of World War I. Yet, the evolution of technology and strategy was the subject of considerable debate in Germany. There was a lively discussion in the literature about the proper role of tanks and airpower. The development of mechanized forces was retarded by Hitler’s military and economic policies. The best strategy for the 1940 campaign was not immediately evident to the German high command. Hitler dabbled with strategy and inquired about the possibility of an offensive through the Ardennes before Manstein devised his plan. The German strategy for the attack against France was a desperate operational act ultimately chosen for its risky strategic possibilities.

The German advance in the 1940 campaign is widely perceived to have been a rapid "jaunt" through France with armor and airpower playing the dominant roles in the offensive. This notion is unsubstantiated. Rough terrain hindered the progress of the XIX Panzer Corps. The crossing of the Meuse River was also very difficult and its outcome might have been different were it not for some remarkable successes by a few German forces. The movement of armored units across the river was far slower than anticipated and German commanders submitted false reports about their progress and the vulnerability of the bridgehead. Moreover, infantry played a key role on both sides. German armored forces were led across the Meuse by antitank and engineer units. At the beginning of the campaign German forces encountered stiff resistance from Belgian infantry mounted on bicycles. A single rifle company turned back an assault by a German tank division. Furthermore, a German infantry batallion played a pivotal role in the eventual defeat of this company.

Airpower was important in the 1940 campaign and German ground forces would not have been successful without the air support provided by the Luftwaffe. The Luftwaffe achieved air superiority, established a protective umbrella over advancing German columns, and facilitated the crossing of the Meuse by German forces. German air attacks also confused French commanders about the location of advancing forces and contributed to the collapse of the French 55th Division defending the Meuse. However, German airpower accounted for little of the destruction on the ground nor did its use in the 1940 campaign mark the advent of a fundamentally new way of warfare.

Neither Hitler nor the German high command expected a rapid, easy victory over the French in 1940. They expressed serious concerns about the prospects for success on May 13th and 14th. However, the German forces were victorious because of luck, better leadership, skill and training, superior concentration of forces, and French weaknesses in strategy and tactics. German leaders considered the outcome of the 1940 campaign to be a miracle. Yet, this was soon forgotten as they fell victim to their own propaganda. Seeing themselves in newsreels and movies, the German officer corps became convinced that the myth of blitzkrieg was reality. Confident that blitzkrieg would enable Germany to achieve a swift, easy victory over the Soviet Union, Hitler initiated the invasion of the Soviet Union almost immediately after the 1940 campaign.
The Ukrainian Armed Forces may be ground down to an ineffective military force (not an ineffective insurgency force) or there may be a surrender when the Russians hold the population of the cities hostage to mass destruction.

The Insurgency will be a battle of attrition; not of military materiel or of troop numbers. It will be an attrition of military and civilian morale and of the Putin Regime domestic political power base.

In that case the economic sanctions against Russia, and support of the "small war" (guerilla) will be a part of a combined strategic effort.

There's a small chance that there will be a negotiated peace treaty which will involve a partition of the country. I'm afraid that wouldn't happen until President Zelensky and much of the rest of the parliamentary government were eliminated. And wouldn't that just be an interregnum?
 
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that map doesn't show what you think it does? Finland is not being shown as an ally of NATO or any NATO members.
the Partnership for Peace is a NATO program. that is what i meant. "aligned with NATO"? might be better wording?

(this of course is in response to your suggestion that Finland can piggyback on [say] Germany's NATO membership just by Germany 'adopting' Finland or something) ..if that is what you were suggesting. Basically, America isnt going to go to war with Russia just because Germany alone decided to sign something with Finland. The whole of NATO would have to agree, i believe.


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In September 2014, Finland signed an agreement with NATO that allows NATO and Finland to hold joint exercises on Finnish soil and permits assistance from NATO members in situations such as "disasters, disruptions, and threats to security."[18] As such, Finland (and Sweden) participated in the 2015 NATO-led Arctic Challenge Exercise.[19]
 
the largest war in Europe since WWII is still ongoing since February 24 and the world is shocked at how slowly it's happening.

Maybe we've become too attuned to the speed of the internet age. I definitely have it in to me to feel almost a sense of confusion when I refresh the news front page and the headline is still the same as it was several hours before.
 
the Partnership for Peace is a NATO program. that is what i meant. "aligned with NATO"? might be better wording?

(this of course is in response to your suggestion that Finland can piggyback on [say] Germany's NATO membership just by Germany 'adopting' Finland or something) ..if that is what you were suggesting. Basically, America isnt going to go to war with Russia just because Germany alone decided to sign something with Finland. The whole of NATO would have to agree, i believe.


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In September 2014, Finland signed an agreement with NATO that allows NATO and Finland to hold joint exercises on Finnish soil and permits assistance from NATO members in situations such as "disasters, disruptions, and threats to security."[18] As such, Finland (and Sweden) participated in the 2015 NATO-led Arctic Challenge Exercise.[19]

I'm confused because Russia is in that same group (as Ukraine) in terms of color or perhaps i'm not seeing the colors correctly? No. The orange is for Russia and Finland. The map doesn't make sense to me. Russia as a Partner for Peace clearly isn't... the wikipedia article about PIP says Russia joined in 1994.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partnership_for_Peace#Aspiring_members

I'll also note that the wiki for PfP doesn't say anything about Russia and Crimea or several other events which I'd not consider peaceful. Hmm...
 
i found this site accounted for its claims and appears to do best to verify from multiples sources & often with back story. The above helicopter v missile is explored plus others


https://theaviationgeekclub.com/suk...ussian-aircraft-shot-down-over-ukraine-today/

It looks like it’s raining in Ukraine today….

A Mi-24 was shot down, then a Su-30SM, a Su-34, another Su-34, a Mi-28, a Mi-35 and two Mi-8s – most of these in the Bashtanka region of the Mykolaiv Oblast.

Please mind: we are updating data as new info is coming in.
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Other have geo coded the event location



https://theaviationist.com/2022/03/05/video-of-gunship-downed-by-manpads/


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A pretty terrifying video has surfaced out of Ukraine early on Mar. 5, 2022, showing the moment a Russian Mi-24/35 gunship helicopter is hit and killed by a Ukrainian man-portable air defense system or “MANPADS”.

The video was originally posted by Ukrainian journalist and politician Ihor Lutsenko and by the Ukrainian Armed Forces General Staff Facebook page. It then started to be shared across various social networks.
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the video was verified as being genuine. We initially had doubts it could have been doctored: the emergence of several videos of dogfights, done in DCS flight simulator but actually fake, made us almost paranoid and believe this one could also have been computer-generated. However, thanks to our followers and readers we have been able to determine the current DCS capabilities are current unable to reach this degree of realism:
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