1. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    There have been a sudden flurry of posts on conspiracy forums because someone noticed this ad:


    This is assumed to be something new, as they have not seen it before. And as it mentions weather modification it's somehow taken as proof of ongoing geoengineering, and hence the "chemtrail" theory.

    The problem is that this is simply cloud seeding. It's nothing new. Local municipalities have been doing it for decades, and quite openly. In fact such notices have also been occurring in newspapers for decades. The theorist have just never noticed them before.

    Here's the law in Washington:


    Or texas: http://www.license.state.tx.us/weather/weatherlaw.htm

    And here's one from California in 1963


    And here's an actual example from Colorado in 1965:

    And California in 1969

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    Sure, it's weather modification. But it's all been going on perfectly openly for over 60 years. Here's Santa Barbra talking about it - since 1948!


    And here's the records of Cloud Seeding in California, back to 1951


    With several similar

    http://www.archive.org/search.php?q...tion:cawaterres AND subject:"Weather Control"
    Last edited: Nov 20, 2013
  2. Some1

    Some1 Guest

    How is this at ALL a "debunking"? Seems more like you are just further pointing out the validity of it.
  3. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

  4. Jay Reynolds

    Jay Reynolds Senior Member

    Yes, I got a ridiculous email from a chemtrail believer last week to the effect that this "proves geoengineering".

    During the last 50 years or so that almost all of us have been alive, cloud seeding has been done.

    At the same time, mind you, that the chemtrails believers describe endless summer days with never a cloud in the sky, and never a single contrail that lasted more than a few seconds. Skies so blue you could see the stars in broad daylight, well, maye some planets........

    So, yes, since the claim is that things have changed, and they point to cloud seeding as a supposedy recent event causing these changes, the facts debunk this simply by showing cloud seeding has been done during a time these short memoried people look back on.
  5. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

  6. Ross Marsden

    Ross Marsden Senior Member

  7. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    :) You're welcome.

    Unfortunate though that they miss the point. Nobody has ever denied weather modification. So that long post simply amounts to, er, nothing.
  8. Ross Marsden

    Ross Marsden Senior Member

    Yes, I know. I wanted to post the link so that Clare Swinney (of chemtrailsnorthnz) would see a pingback via Wordpress.

    For Clare this would be completely on point because she believes that the contrails she sees in the skies above Northland are evidence of weather modification operations being carried out there by Air New Zealand, Korean Air, and other commercial airlines flying between New Zealand and Asia.
  9. Unregistered

    Unregistered Guest

    "The point is A) that the theorists think this is something new, and B) that they think it's geoengineering."

    Right, mister 'debunker', 'cloud seeding' IS, in FACT, 'geoengineering'.

    Oxford Dictionary definition:noun
    " the deliberate large-scale manipulation of an environmental process that affects the earth’s climate, in an attempt to counteract the effects of global warming. " - Of course the political rhetoric bs 'to offset global warming' is a canard.

    Cloud seeding IS deliberate manipulation. NOT all of those who are raising awareness claim it's 'new', the point is THAT IT'S HAPPENING NOW and making people sick while killing the food supply.

    Your nonsense post and claims it's 'just' 'cloud seeding' is to infer it's no problem. There's a problem, [...]
  10. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Cloud Seeding affects the local weather, geoengineering affects the global climate. Big difference. In scope it's like the difference between brushing your hair, and chemotherapy.
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  11. Cairenn

    Cairenn Senior Member

    How does cloud seeding kill crops? How does it make folks sick?
  12. Jay Reynolds

    Jay Reynolds Senior Member

    Cloud seeding has been licensed and practiced by agriculture for over fifty years. I think that if it killed their crops, farmers would have figured that out and stopped the practice.

    Unfortunately, the promoters of the chemtrails hoax have tagged their hoax onto the legitimate open and licensed practice of cloud seeding because there is no evidence for their hoax.

    Even though there is no evidence that geoengineering is taking place,yet much evidence that it is not taking place, the same hoax tactic has been done to any study of geoengineering. They were forced into doing so in order to devise a scapegoat upon which their followers could focus ire against. Every good hoax needs a bogeyman, and geoengineering was chosen to be the whipping-boy.

    Nevermind that the actual identity of the planes along with their ownership, altitude, departure and destination have always been available to Michael J. Murphy and G. Edward Griffin. They chose instead to misdirect you people long enough to buy a couple of years and sell a few more movies before you found out what happened to you.