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  1. steve frey

    steve frey New Member

    Here's Lynn Margulis PhD - Scientist, Awarded National Medal of Science 1999

  2. steve frey

    steve frey New Member

    How about you f[...].
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  3. steve frey

    steve frey New Member

    Im not doing this for your benefit Mike, or for Caireen, or for Rafterman, I'm posting for those who want the truth.
  4. steve frey

    steve frey New Member

    Robert McCoy Architect

  5. MikeC

    MikeC Senior Member

    Ah - the old "I cant' stand the pressure so I'm going to act like a baby and swear at you until you go away" routine.

    I didn't remove your posts - they are still right there for people to view.

    why wouldn't you want people to know the truth about your "experts"? what are you trying to hide?

    Robert McCoy - architect....yet another non-expert on explosives and demolitions saying what he thinks happened without any actual evidence at all.
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  6. steve frey

    steve frey New Member

    Steven Jones Physicist

  7. steve frey

    steve frey New Member

    Erik Lawyer Firefighter

  8. steve frey

    steve frey New Member

    Casey Pfeiffer Structural Engineer

  9. steve frey

    steve frey New Member

    Stephen Dusterwald Structural Engineer

  10. steve frey

    steve frey New Member

    Scott Grainger Fire Prortection Engineer

  11. steve frey

    steve frey New Member

  12. steve frey

    steve frey New Member

  13. David Fraser

    David Fraser Senior Member

    Have you evidence that this is happening now, especially given this document is 12 years old times a ticking to keep on schedule.
  14. Cairenn

    Cairenn Senior Member

    Well let's look at your list of 'experts'

    And the physicist that 'found thermite dust'

    Not an expert in any field related to explosives

    Lynn Margulis field is that of evolutionary biology, Not an expert in any related field

    Not an expert in any related field

    There are tens of thousands of architects and structural engineers and your 'expert' list doesn't even have a handful of them. found this

    One of the HUGE problems I have with the 'truthers' is their willingness to discard the research and studies and opinions of REAL experts and then they trot out folks from other fields as experts
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  15. JRBids

    JRBids Senior Member

    Is there any way you can produce something OTHER than YouTube videos? I find them time-consuming to watch, I can read a transcript so much faster.

    Oh wow, TWO people died in collisions? THAT ever happens. Come on, how did the powers that be orchestrate a car crashing into a tree? I am extremely curious to hear the answer to this, Steve. Seriously. How is this NOT a coincidence?
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  16. JRBids

    JRBids Senior Member

    IOW you are doing this for people who will just take your word and your links as gospel and not ask any questions. By the way, telling us to blow you violates the politeness policy. None of us talk like that how about you take a chill pill.
  17. Met Watch

    Met Watch Moderator

    I'm going to give you a day to gather up some actual evidence for your claims and politely discuss this topic. Your ban lifts tomorrow at 1:26 PM EDT.
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  18. SR1419

    SR1419 Senior Member

    Could you please address the fact that in that very same interview Mr. Jowenko specifically says WTC 1&2 did NOT look like a controlled demolition and couldn't have been a controlled demolition?

    How do you reconcile that?
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  19. Oxymoron

    Oxymoron Banned Banned

    I'm sure you meant to be more accurate and say: ' and self appointed debunker of self appointed debunkers'

    I can't quite determine where the link is for this guy so I don't know what he actually said but isn't it the job of a lawyer to make a legal argument by evaluating the best evidence from different disciplines? They do not have to be experts in the field in which they argue.
  20. Oxymoron

    Oxymoron Banned Banned

    I can't understand how you keep putting yourself forward as a wiccan when you don't even believe in it. It is as easy to debunk as santa.
  21. Cairenn

    Cairenn Senior Member

    Oxy, a person's religion is not a subject of debunking.
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  22. Oxymoron

    Oxymoron Banned Banned

    Cairenn, I wouldn't dream of it other than the fact you keep bringing it up yourself. Now it is either up for discussion or it isn't. If it isn't, it doesn't seem right that you keep bringing it up as some sort of 'authority badge' or accreditation. Does that seem fair?
  23. Met Watch

    Met Watch Moderator

    Steve's ban has lifted.
  24. Cairenn

    Cairenn Senior Member

    I asked a question of someone. Many folks are confused about many Wiccan/Pagan/Heathen beliefs. I can often clear those up.

    But instead I get an attack from you on my beliefs. An attack that if I had made it to say Joe, would have gotten me an infraction.
  25. steve frey

    steve frey New Member

    Here you go, proof that you're the crazy ones.

    New US/UK Study Shocks World! “Conspiracy Theorists” Are ‘Sane’; Government Dupes Crazy & Hostile!
  26. Oxymoron

    Oxymoron Banned Banned

    Steve Frey asked Mick if he was a satanist and you jumped straight in with 'I'm a wiccan will that do?' or some suchlike.

    If you are so shy about it, why keep bringing it up?

    It doesn't compute that when you say you 'are happy to clear things up for folks who are confused' and yet when I ask about it, I am accused of 'attacking you'.

    It wasn't an attack on you at all anyway, I am simply finding it difficult to understand how someone can profess to being a wiccan, with all that entails) and yet refute anything that has no mainstream scientific approval eg does not sit with Darwinian Evolution etc.
  27. steve frey

    steve frey New Member

    I have another question for Mick and the rest of his clan, are you members of Common Purpose?
  28. Oxymoron

    Oxymoron Banned Banned

    Yep there is already a thread on it. The politeness policy is in force to raise discussion above name calling. It means that people with different viewpoints can interact and learn from each other or about each others viewpoint. People who post reasoned, reasonable and polite argument, (or at least make the effort), are likely to make more of an impact than those who don't. I say this with the best will in the world Steve and suggest it is worth considering.
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  29. Cairenn

    Cairenn Senior Member

  30. steve frey

    steve frey New Member

    Your absolutely correct, I fixed it, I am one of those that is deeply passionate about this issue because so much rides on it and sometimes emotion gets the better of me.
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  31. steve frey

    steve frey New Member

    I'm done here guys, the study suggests that less and less people are interested in what you debunkers have to say which means sites like this will get less traffic which means fewer people here looking for the truth. My goal is to help people find the truth so my time is better spent elsewhere.

    Common Purpose = Nazi = NWO = Illuminati = Satan = perpetrators of Kennedy assisinations, 9-11, Sandy Hook, Boston Marathon, and on and on.

    In High Command - George HW Bush
  32. Pete Tar

    Pete Tar Moderator Staff Member

    Okay, good luck on your truth-filled journey. Watch out for guys in hoods chanting arcane syllables.

    (also the study* you're endorsing says that debunkers and skeptics are irrational and hostile compared to ct proponents. Which behaviour have you demonstrated on this thread?)
    *correction - the re-interpretation of the original study
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  33. JRBids

    JRBids Senior Member

    I'm as disappointed as you are that fewer people are interested in the truth. If it's true.
  34. Oxymoron

    Oxymoron Banned Banned

    I don't think he is off to Bohemian Grove Pete. :)
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  35. Cairenn

    Cairenn Senior Member

    Steve didn't seem to want to have a discussion, he seemed primed to attack more.

    It would be a little hard for a TEXAN to be part of a UK group. I had never heard of them.

    Steve you are not being reasonable. You have a 'religion' that is conspiracy theories and you are a fundamentalist on it.
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  36. MikeC

    MikeC Senior Member

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  37. Dysfunction

    Dysfunction New Member

    A few points on this thread.

    For all his faults, Steve remained mostly polite and when he responded to some serious questions, nobody answered him. Steve made a long reasoned post where addressed the question of who, how, etc and then made a question, which was ignored. Poor form.

    I liked Carien's analysis of the 'experts'; very well done. Rigorous.

    Also in regards to 'mainstream scientific approval ... Darwinian Evolution' - surely both of these things have nothing to do with anything? In the search for truth one uses the scientific method, as espoused by Mill. Evolution is merely a theory that has not yet been proven wrong, the theory that most fits the 'facts' of the world, i.e. what we can sense ourselves or otherwise. Of course, this leaves room for a lot of speculation, and there will always be people that consider themselves somehow more blessed with an ability to discern (create) the truth than anyone else.

    CT theorists seem to have passed the bridge of the bell curve, sadly however, not far enough. However you try to spin it, a short tour of CT videos reveals people that have screws loose in varying number and extent, lone crackpots shunned by academia desperately believing, pathetically serious and pleased when the light of the video camera shines on them. Maybe I'm being a little harsh here.

    Ah, and has anyone come across this website before?
    I've just stumbled across it, and think that beneath the patina of nwo illuminati nonsense (maybe it's just flavour?) there might be some serious truths there. don't hold me to it though, just stumbled across it while indulging in some light entertainment/researching nibirunia.

    And one thing that's been bugging me. Bill Hicks. Kennedy assassination. Have people satisfactorily debunked that?
    I'm a sceptic, however, within the reams of nonsensical gibberish there will be occasional truths. Like infinite monkeys, infinite typewriters, shakespeare.
    Also, some kind of weird, smooth crafted circular device thing from ancient egypt. searched on google but couldn't find it. I remember it from the same vid about the helicopter and also with I think the same ridiculous woman from the NASA war doc video.
    I won't believe heiroglyph shapes of helicopters etc, but an actual artifact ... debunking needed, please.

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  38. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Please start new threads for new topics. One topic per thread, thanks.

    Steve's points were mostly not answered because they were an off-topic "Gish Gallop". One thing a time will get much higher quality answers.
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  39. moderateGOP

    moderateGOP Active Member

    I just saw this video being posted by one of my very conservative friends. The thing is I just read a book called, "the next 100 years," which also does and highlights some of the same stuff. Albeit in a more socioeconomic type of way. The way conservatives and conspiracy theorists are reacting to this, makes me wonder if this is how they react to every technological advancement...

    On a different note, how the heck did this thread turn into a 9-11 conspiracy theory interrogation? With only one or two posts about the actual video someone asked to debunk. I am sure there are 9-11 CT threads that one can find. Are people too lazy to search?
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  40. moderateGOP

    moderateGOP Active Member

    The fact that the video links to a Facebook page called, "alien disclosure". Should be reason enough to dismiss this thing! Know this. Anytime some random YouTube video pops up on the internet and it links to some dude's facebook page...Marketing scheme!!!!

    I've seen the same thing when the CT's were going around with the Boston Bomber CT's and how this was a false flag for Martial Law. There was a video on Youtube that claimed Boston was under Martial Law, actually probably quite a few, and they all linked to a facebook page called, Police State USA or something similar.
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