1. swoop

    swoop New Member

  2. Spongebob

    Spongebob Active Member



    From the Jamescarner link...


    "They spray barium powders and let it photo-ionize from the ultraviolet light of the sun. Then, they make an aluminum-plasma generated by "zapping" the metal cations that are in the spray with either electromagnetics from HAARP, the gyrotron system on the ground [Ground Wave Emergency Network], or space-based lasers. The barium makes the aluminum-plasma more particulate dense. This means they can make a denser plasma than they normally could from just ionizing the atmosphere or the air.

    More density [more particles] means that these particles which are colliding into each other will become more charged because there are more of them present to collide. What are they ultimately trying to do up there -- is create charged-particle, plasma beam weapons.
    Chemtrails are the medium - GWEN pulse radars, the various HAARPs, and space-based lasers are the method, or more simply:

    Chemtrails are the medium -- directed energy is the method.

    Spray and Zap. !"


    Is this your own personal belief also DT?




    And these images are on there as proof!

    chemplane2. chemplane3. chemplane5. chemplane6. chemplane7.
     
  3. Debunk This

    Debunk This Member

    "Guesswork and denials aside, one commentator believes he can explain contrail-less military aircraft. David Hambling, author of Weapons Grade, says that the technology for reducing contrails has been available for some time. He refers to a technology called "plasma aerodynamics," that was first developed and researched by the Russians. The interest shown in plasma aerodynamics by military agencies worldwide lies in its alleged stealth capability. "The USAF appears to have been using plasma aerodynamics for decades. The Russians certainly know all about it, as does anyone who has bought the technology off them," says Hambling. "According to the patents, it has additional benefits too - it can muffle the noise produced by engines as well as preventing contrails from forming. The only people not enjoying its benefits are the civilian taxpayers who funded it in the first place." The other link has some orb stuff on it
     
  4. Debunk This

    Debunk This Member

  5. swoop

    swoop New Member

    Seems they have a way to go to stop contrails forming:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/brentdanley/287212038/
     
  6. Leifer

    Leifer Senior Member

    Really....??
    Is that the link you want everyone to take seriously ?
    Other subjects from that link....
    Seems every other topic on that site is about penis size and performance.....
    Come on....... it seems you have no real position on the subject, in your own words.....just links that resemble your stance..
     
  7. firepilot

    firepilot New Member

    Oh its just what they do. When they post a link full of absolutely wrong information, and when you debunk it, instead of acknowledging it and discussing the facts, they then just move onto something else without skipping a beat. They have this misguided belief that all they have to do is get ONE thing right, and that will prove everything else correct, so they keep throwing up a laundry list of links and youtube videos. But rarely do they ever actually want to discuss a single one of them.

    Funny, for Debunk This to claim we do not want that tech exposed, when we have all talked about those photos multiple times, and they are on the Contrail Science website.

    But for mr Debunk This, if you do not think we want that tech exposed, then by all means, lets talk about those photos.
     
  8. Debunk This

    Debunk This Member

    yawn
     
  9. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    DT, I think you've posted enough links. I'm going to ask you politely: please pick one of your orb videos, and EXLAIN why the orbs are not close to the camera.

    When you've done that, and answered the objections to your explanation, then we can move on to other links.

    Also, if the subject if sufficiently different (such as cigarette packets), then please start a new thread if you would like to discuss it.
     
  10. Debunk This

    Debunk This Member

  11. firepilot

    firepilot New Member


    Now, I am talking about this site
    http://www.jamescarner.com/chemtrails.html

    You know, the one where you said we did not want this tech exposed.
     
  12. Leifer

    Leifer Senior Member

    Mick's request is quite clear.
    I'm another one asking you to explain why "blurred dots" cannot in fact be out-of-focus insects or birds.
    It seems you are rejecting that known fact, in spite (preference) of your own feelings.
     
  13. PCWilliams

    PCWilliams Active Member

    Quite frankly, i don't think you have these packets sitting in your room. Take a picture of these packets next to a newspaper dated from this year and post the picture here. Until you do, i'm done debating you.
     
  14. Leifer

    Leifer Senior Member

    Try this.....if you did not have contrail-chemtrail suspicions...(if you were an outsider)...how would you explain the blurred dots to someone ?
    That is what we are doing.
    If you were to see blurred dots in a photo/video not pertaining to "chemtrails"......how would you explain them ?
     
  15. Debunk This

    Debunk This Member

    LOL.. WHAT DEBATE exactly? there was none. I don't care if you don't believe me honestly, why would it be fake? you still haven't answered my question
     
  16. PCWilliams

    PCWilliams Active Member

    At a minimum, salvage a tad of your credibility and show us you actually possess these packets as you claim. No packet pictures, no more debate.
     
  17. Debunk This

    Debunk This Member

    Of course they CAN be.. but look at ALL these videos of the same objects... it just makes you look silly calling these objects birds/insects
     
  18. Debunk This

    Debunk This Member

  19. Leifer

    Leifer Senior Member

    This forum is not about "winning an argument"....it's about gathering a better understanding of the world around us, and removing any bunk......that bunk often supplied by the internet.
    I have several times been corrected here because of my misconceptions about a stance I felt was real.

    It is not a hit on your pride if you relinquish a prior stance....it is actually a positive mark on your ability to grow on a new understanding.
     
  20. firepilot

    firepilot New Member

  21. PCWilliams

    PCWilliams Active Member

    Nobody in your home has a cell phone? Really?

    I'll make it easier - display this message on your monitor and take a picture of the packets in front of the monitor displaying this message. No packet pictures, no more debate.
     
  22. Debunk This

    Debunk This Member

    Because it looks exactly like a contrail? ...
     
  23. Debunk This

    Debunk This Member

    Go away
     
  24. Debunk This

    Debunk This Member

    Orbs... i thought that was clear by now.
     
  25. PCWilliams

    PCWilliams Active Member

    You said you have both these packets sitting in your room. I'm asking for proof.

    Display this message on your monitor and take a picture of the packets in front of the monitor displaying this message. No packet pictures, no more debate.

    Checkmate.
     
  26. Leifer

    Leifer Senior Member

    So if I post selected videos of "people with crossed eyes", does that mean all people have crossed eyes?
    You see, that if I did that, and claimed that....it would be silly.
    I'm not saying what you see is silly (orbs).....I'm saying that to pick from the thousands of videos available, that to pick one anomaly is not evidence of a normal situation. .........and until you prove that a not-normal situation is in fact true, requires a host of evidence and of not-normal information.
    Can you provide that information ?
    If so....I will believe you.
     
  27. Debunk This

    Debunk This Member

    OMFG.. ARE YOU REALLY THAT THICK? lol, you can't be
     
  28. firepilot

    firepilot New Member

    A boat wake looks to you like a contrail? Wow...Just wow

    This really is pointless. You are just on here to post random irelevent links. Still avoiding talking about that link huh? I guess you are the one who does not want something exposed. By something being exposed, I do not mean actual supposed chemtrail technology, but the lies, ignorance and deception of those who promote this hoax. Who you linked to, was someone who just stole photos from the internet and proclaimed them to be chemtrail evidence.
     
  29. Debunk This

    Debunk This Member

    What information exactly? ...
     
  30. PCWilliams

    PCWilliams Active Member

    So you want us to believe you have the packets - though you refuse to prove it - and, you want us to believe in this day and age you don't have ANY WAY of taking a digital photo.

    The irony of your screen name is becoming clearer.

    Display this message on your monitor and take a picture of the packets in front of the monitor displaying this message. No packet pictures, no more debate.
     
  31. Leifer

    Leifer Senior Member

    That's your job ahead of you....explain why "round dots" are something other than birds or insects that are out of focus.
    ....because that is the most logical explanation, based on the principles of photography.
     
  32. Debunk This

    Debunk This Member

    Irrelevant links? hahaha... you wish buddy. everyone can see the shit that is going on these days http://conspiracyanalyst.blogspot.com/2011/06/chemtrails-subliminal-conditioning.html
     
  33. Debunk This

    Debunk This Member

    1. Google chemtrail orbs. 2. look at ALL the available video footage. 3. reach conclusion. I have done it.. that means you can too
     
  34. firepilot

    firepilot New Member

    If your links were so relevant, you would not having to be putting up different links to avoid talking about the ones you have posted before. Lets rewind this.

    So lets look at the photos on that james carner site. Which ones do you think are tech that we did not want exposed? And if we did not want it exposed, then why are those photos also on Contrail Science and other debunker websites?
     
  35. Debunk This

    Debunk This Member

    OMG.. Are you thick as well? go back and READ the post.. ORBS.. i wasn't mentioning any of the photos on the site
     
  36. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Since you admit that they could be something closer to the camera, what does it matter how many such videos there are.

    Show us ONE video that COULD NOT be something closer to the camera than the contrail. Then we can talk.
     
  37. Leifer

    Leifer Senior Member

    I did google "chemtrail orbs" (with quotes).....231 links
    Google ...."bokeh photography"...(without quotes)....13,600,000 links.
    I also googled "unicorns"...2,800,000 links.
    "ufo aliens"....30 million links
    "cross eyed people" (in quotes)...124,000 links

    .,,,,,,so what conclusion should I reach ?
     
  38. firepilot

    firepilot New Member

    Ummmm, you posted a link about chemtrails, that is what I am asking you to comment on. I could care less about blurry dots on youtube videos, after multiple levels of video compression, that were not even noticed at the time of filming.

    Back to YOUR chemtrail link, please.

    Again, for about the 5th time, can you please elaborate on the photos on that website of chemtrails and the "Tech"
     
  39. Debunk This

    Debunk This Member

    There are PLENTY of them.. but what would that matter.. we all know what you are going to say
     
  40. Debunk This

    Debunk This Member

    You are starting to annoy me now.. you know those photos are bullshit and so do i