1. Debunk This

    Debunk This Member

    OK Then. let me say first, I know there is no point of producing any type of "Chemtrail" footage as evidence as you debunkers will just scream CON-trail till the sky falls down. :p

    Now, with that in mind...


    What's to be said about these numerous orb sightings? birds? insects? no. that is clearly a lie when so many of these videos exist. I can give another 10-15 videos which clearly show these same objects


    Please watch in 1080. There is NOTHING you can say to debunk these orbs.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gavvAg6Gnak


    If you call these objects birds/lens flare you are a straight out lying shill bag. IF you guys truly aren't gov sponsored shills you would be willing to discuss these orbs. Not instantly label the footage as mere birds/lens flare etc etc


    So... what exactly are these "orb" things, and what are they doing with water vapor?
     
  2. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Looks like something relatively close to the camera, and out of focus - which makes it look round.
     
  3. Debunk This

    Debunk This Member

    And what would this "something" be exactly? ...
     
  4. Debunk This

    Debunk This Member

    "something relatively close to the camera" Are you serious? lol.. close?
     
  5. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    "something" would most likely be one of the things commonly found in the air.

    Why not? Exactly?
     
  6. Debunk This

    Debunk This Member

    You still haven't labelled the object... what would this commonly thing be?
     
  7. MikeC

    MikeC Senior Member

    Looks like the new version of Rods to me - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_(optics) - just out of focus items in field of view.

    Common things in the atmosphere are insects, birds, leaves flying around, and hats.

    And as a matter of principle - most ppl here won't scream "contrails" at you - they'll ask you what your evidence is that what you show is chemtrails, or at least something other than contrails - which seems like a fairly reasonable thing to ask.
     
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  8. Debunk This

    Debunk This Member

    Insects eh? lol.. ok I'm going to pull up all the other videos to compare. These objects are NOT insects or out of focus... keep posting guys, you are just proving me right
     
  9. Debunk This

    Debunk This Member

    Which would be the "orb" objects... which you guys keep labeling as insects/out of focus... which is COMPLETE horse shit when so many of these same objects exist. All birds/ out of focus? LOL.. just how fucking dumb do you think people are?
     
  10. MikeC

    MikeC Senior Member

    How are orb objects evidence of chemtrails?

    There's plenty photos & videos around people say are of chemtrails without any orbs in them - are you saying those are not actually chemtrails and only ones with orbs in are?
     
  11. MikeC

    MikeC Senior Member

    How do you know that?
     
  12. Debunk This

    Debunk This Member

    ... I'm saying what do these objects want with normal contrails? is it that hard to understand?
     
  13. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    It LOOKS like an out of focus bird. But you can't say for sure what it is.

    Based on the way it moves though, it is much closer to the camera than the plane.
     
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  14. Debunk This

    Debunk This Member

    Because i have a pair of eyes, a brain and can actually see things...
     
  15. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    There's really a very large number of things it could be. The fact that we don't know which it is is rather irrelevant.

    If you are in the forest at night and you hear a twig snap, you don't know what made the twig snap. That does not then mean it's aliens or ghosts.
     
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  16. Debunk This

    Debunk This Member

    Since when are birds that high up in the sky? LMAO.. not to mention completely white and circular Sorry, guys... i thought you would provide more of a challenge. but this is just sad
     
  17. MikeC

    MikeC Senior Member

    You can't have better eyes than the camera - the guy who posted the video didn't actually see them with his eyes at all - only after looking back over the video, and in all the blown up shots all you see is a round orb - so again - HOW do you KNOW that is not something out of focus?

    The poster says the object goes behind the contrail, but in fact in both the negative and positive views all you see is a merging of a single colour - white or dark - saying that it must be at he same altitude is a gross assumption.

    Also the orbs actually seem to have nothing whatsoever to do with the contrail, other than being in shot - so why try to make any connection at all??
     
  18. MikeC

    MikeC Senior Member

    I doubt these object "want" anything to do with contrails at all, because I think they are most likely just small objects in the field of view that are out of focus.
     
  19. Debunk This

    Debunk This Member

    "HOW do you KNOW that is not something out of focus?" Because i have a pair of eyes... do you really want me to post all the other "orb" videos? I have all the time in the world... Let's compare all these objects
     
  20. Debunk This

    Debunk This Member

    "You can't have better eyes than the camera" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODcxzRI-Jfs

    This is the orb i spotted.. go on.. call it out of focus/birds LMFAO

    "It is quite possible that there is a reasonable explanation for this flying object, but to date I have not found it, my best guess is that it is an incoming meteorite or space junk."
    Note 1 The object is reflecting or emitting light so it is highly unlightly to be a bird or insect.
    Note 2 This video was recorded @ 30 fps F5.6 - 250th sec fast enough to rule out digital tricks like RODs
    Note 3 If the object was a bird or an insect it would differ in shape from frame to frame

    from: algorithm21century
     
  21. MikeC

    MikeC Senior Member

    Pfftt...trivial - it's not an orb at all - it's a splodge! :)
     
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  22. Debunk This

    Debunk This Member

    :rolleyes:
     
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  23. Debunk This

    Debunk This Member

    "also the orbs actually seem to have nothing whatsoever to do with the contrail, other than being in shot - so why try to make any connection at all??"

    I have seen several of these orbs passing through these "contrails"... I'd say these objects have EVERYTHING to do with these CON-trails
     
  24. Debunk This

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  25. Debunk This

    Debunk This Member

    I rest my case.
     
  26. Debunk This

    Debunk This Member

    Where has Jay gone to? I'd love some of his thoughts on this
     
  27. Debunk This

    Debunk This Member

    If it's a bird it is flying at about Mach 5 + RODS do not exist in the real world ! they exist only in the digital world, they are the product of using slow shutter speeds to photograph birds/insects/bats in flight, this video was recorded @ 30 frames/sec F5.6 1/250th sec certainly not rod territory and fast enough to stop any bird in flight at that range. algorithm21century 1 month ago
     
  28. Debunk This

    Debunk This Member

    Anyone else got anything?
     
  29. Danny55

    Danny55 Member

    "If it's a bird it is flying at about Mach 5 + RODS do not exist in the real world ! they exist only in the digital world, they are the product of using slow shutter speeds to photograph birds/insects/bats in flight, this video was recorded @ 30 frames/sec F5.6 1/250th sec certainly not rod territory and fast enough to stop any bird in flight at that range. algorithm21century 1 month ago "

    Neglected to mention that the excerpt came from the video "Heaven to Hell in 4min", which is a time lapse video, compressing over 1 hour's footage into 4 minutes, which would imply that the object took at least 15 times longer to traverse the field of view.

    Speaking of field of view, when travelling in a train has anyone in the CT world ever realised that near objects, ie trackside posts, signals etc., pass by very quickly while distant objects, ie a hill, distant trees or churches etc, do not?? That is really weird and unusual how that appears to happen, isn't it??
     
  30. Debunk This

    Debunk This Member

    What are you getting at?
     
  31. Debunk This

    Debunk This Member

    Do you really want me to post up all the other CT orb videos so you can call them birds/out of focus? ... No?.. i really hope it doesn't have to come to that
     
  32. Debunk This

    Debunk This Member

    Look at the original video... sigh
     
  33. Bunkerbuster

    Bunkerbuster (AKA iondetox)

    There is something there.. I was confused at first by the word orb.. but something is there that is not going to same way as the jet and it does not look like light or reflection to me. You may have something here. I have not checked this out because I'm still out on the UFO deal. There has been a rash of sightings lately but my brother-in-law worked on 3 huge space based hologram systems in the 80's so I know they have he capability to produce holograms in the sky. This is very interesting and I'll looking for more information on it. It does spur some thought, I'll have to admit.

    Merry Christmas everyone.
     
  34. Strawman

    Strawman Guest

    Debunk This,
    you come here with obvious expectations. You expect people not to second you in your claims. At the same time, not agreeing with you makes them open to be attacked as shills etc.? What do you want to prove here? What's clear is that people here are careful not to jump conclusions based on a video. You give them one video and expect that to be enough for a complete picture.

    What's wrong with the answers, or rather: the proposed answers, since most were very careful in attributing anything really? What's so bad about disagreeing with your reading of blurry reading? Does disagreement really warrant insults and abuse? You have been met with utmost civility, yet you attack them. What the heck?
     
  35. Debunk This

    Debunk This Member

    Thank you... and Merry whatever you believe in :)
     
  36. Debunk This

    Debunk This Member

    I've been on the net since 99. You can't fool me that easily...
     
  37. Spongebob

    Spongebob Active Member


    If this is correct: (from MikeC)

    The poster says the object goes behind the contrail, but in fact in both the negative and positive views all you see is a merging of a single colour - white or dark - saying that it must be at he same altitude is a gross assumption.

    Then is the the only explanation needed one for why this bird/dust/insect/ seemed to appear to go behind the trail. That being explained, then the simplest explanation is likely to be correct? Am I right?

    For instance- the first video posted, and this video require no other explanation than bird/insect/Rod/optical correct?
    http://youtu.be/ODcxzRI-Jfs
    (there is no contrail in this video?)

    If the only problem with the OP`s claim is that these unidentified flying objects pass behind or through contrails, and this is false, then a rod/insect/optical explanation is possible. So why is this discussed on a contrail forum?

     
  38. Debunk This

    Debunk This Member

    I don't understand your post? please clarify...
     
  39. Debunk This

    Debunk This Member

    http://youtu.be/ODcxzRI-Jfs (there is no contrail in this video?) Correct.. There are NO contrails in the video.. BUT there is the left over chem/CON fallout which you see in the sky.. hence the "orbs"
     
  40. Spongebob

    Spongebob Active Member

    It seems that your main argument against these 'objects' being in front of the trails (closer to us) is that you assume that they pass behind the trail. Correct?

    If MikeC is correct, then in fact your analysis is wrong. (in fact in both the negative and positive views all you see is a merging of a single colour - white or dark - saying that it must be at he same altitude is a gross assumption)


    Once the altitude hurdle is overcome, this opens the door for a more mundane down to Earth explanation.