HurricaneFighterPlane
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Hello people.
I recently became aware of this UFO/aliens story coming out from officials and big name media. First I was excited, because it all looks so believable, but after looking at the details I think that some mass delusion is going on. There are many hours of interviews with witnesses and whistleblowers and I'm too busy to go thru all this. I just wondered if anybody tried to construct an alternative explanation that, for example, radar jamming and spoofing tests were involved in these UFO encounters?
This article made me wonder if this is not indeed the case. All matches up - radar spoofing tech, submarine-released balloons to confuse enemy radars (erratic tic-tac shaped object over a big underwater craft?). The people interviewed for this article basically acknowledge between the lines such tests on unsuspecting military personnel are possible and for me it totally makes sense - this is the best way to gather data on its effects on the enemy or if the enemy used it against your own forces. We know the testimonies of technical personnel that the radars were showing non-sense for days, and some of the pilots said that their radars were jammed.
The other striking thing is that Fravor dismissed testimonies for NDA signing and confiscation of recorded data. If such things occurred, the argument for some tech being tested, radar related or not, becomes even stronger and I think Fravor realizes it. Especially interesting is that the people in the Hawkeye were made to sign NDAs and I'm ready to bet that they knew exactly what was going on. The hypothesis that the military tried to cover up alien encounter doesn't hold water, because they did no attempt to close the mouths of the direct witnesses and Chris Mellon said that there is no such thing as intentional cover up of UFOs (funny, if you sum up all the things UFO people believe in, you find that everything cancels out and the result is 0).
I think that the Nimitz encounter was all mass hysteria caused by undisclosed test being performed. The pilots believed their tech, their people, live in a country where UFOs are part of the pop culture and probably heard too many stories of pilots encountering UFOs. They were primed to star chasing alien invaders, while it was just balloons caught in the wind and a geese or two.
The only thing that I can't find a plausible explanation is the words coming from respectable people like Mellon, Rubio, Ratcliffe, Reid, but then Mellon acknowledges that he is an UFO buff since a kid, Reid was exposed to George Knapp and we know that not everybody agrees with them.
Other less probable but rational explanations are possible in the light of Rick Doty's doings. Nobody asked these whistleblowers to comment Doty and why we should believe them that they are not doing the same, or that they themselves are not victims of some internal cover up, but these theories are somewhat far-fetched.
I think that the coming report will disappoint many people and it will probably discuss the harassments of ships by some advanced drones (well, at least advanced to what one could find on Amazon, but probably not so advanced compared to what militaries may have) and that is all about it.
I would love to be wrong, but the evidence is so feeble and some of it, like the "pyramid UFO", looks like a joke (and yet all these whistleblowers buy it). Debacle is coming.
EDIT: Added relevant quotes from the article about radar spoofing.
T.D Barnes is introduced:
S. Eugene "Gene" Poteat is introduced:
I recently became aware of this UFO/aliens story coming out from officials and big name media. First I was excited, because it all looks so believable, but after looking at the details I think that some mass delusion is going on. There are many hours of interviews with witnesses and whistleblowers and I'm too busy to go thru all this. I just wondered if anybody tried to construct an alternative explanation that, for example, radar jamming and spoofing tests were involved in these UFO encounters?
This article made me wonder if this is not indeed the case. All matches up - radar spoofing tech, submarine-released balloons to confuse enemy radars (erratic tic-tac shaped object over a big underwater craft?). The people interviewed for this article basically acknowledge between the lines such tests on unsuspecting military personnel are possible and for me it totally makes sense - this is the best way to gather data on its effects on the enemy or if the enemy used it against your own forces. We know the testimonies of technical personnel that the radars were showing non-sense for days, and some of the pilots said that their radars were jammed.
The other striking thing is that Fravor dismissed testimonies for NDA signing and confiscation of recorded data. If such things occurred, the argument for some tech being tested, radar related or not, becomes even stronger and I think Fravor realizes it. Especially interesting is that the people in the Hawkeye were made to sign NDAs and I'm ready to bet that they knew exactly what was going on. The hypothesis that the military tried to cover up alien encounter doesn't hold water, because they did no attempt to close the mouths of the direct witnesses and Chris Mellon said that there is no such thing as intentional cover up of UFOs (funny, if you sum up all the things UFO people believe in, you find that everything cancels out and the result is 0).
I think that the Nimitz encounter was all mass hysteria caused by undisclosed test being performed. The pilots believed their tech, their people, live in a country where UFOs are part of the pop culture and probably heard too many stories of pilots encountering UFOs. They were primed to star chasing alien invaders, while it was just balloons caught in the wind and a geese or two.
The only thing that I can't find a plausible explanation is the words coming from respectable people like Mellon, Rubio, Ratcliffe, Reid, but then Mellon acknowledges that he is an UFO buff since a kid, Reid was exposed to George Knapp and we know that not everybody agrees with them.
Other less probable but rational explanations are possible in the light of Rick Doty's doings. Nobody asked these whistleblowers to comment Doty and why we should believe them that they are not doing the same, or that they themselves are not victims of some internal cover up, but these theories are somewhat far-fetched.
I think that the coming report will disappoint many people and it will probably discuss the harassments of ships by some advanced drones (well, at least advanced to what one could find on Amazon, but probably not so advanced compared to what militaries may have) and that is all about it.
I would love to be wrong, but the evidence is so feeble and some of it, like the "pyramid UFO", looks like a joke (and yet all these whistleblowers buy it). Debacle is coming.
EDIT: Added relevant quotes from the article about radar spoofing.
T.D Barnes is introduced:
for T.D Barnes, a former Special Projects engineer at Area 51, this entire UFO story sounds very familiar.
In 1960, when the Soviet Union moved a Tall King radar system to Cuba, the CIA began covertly using PALLADIUM to trick Russian air-defense radars into thinking unidentified aircraft were flying towards and even into Cuban airspace.
Note that the radar spoofing tech was mounted on C-97 airplane. Make you think about this E-2 Hawkeye, the rumors that the crew signed NDAs and radar data was confiscated. The modern next level of PALLADIUM is called NEMESIS and the article about it is linked in the quoted article."Using an electronics-laden C-97 [EC-97G], we could make Soviet radars believe they were tracking any number of aerial objects," mused Barnes. "At one point, a Russian MiG-15 pilot even claimed he could see the target and had a lock on it."
S. Eugene "Gene" Poteat is introduced:
Described as one of the "Wizards of Langley," Poteat is the man who founded and for 15-years ran PALLADIUM while working at the CIA's Directorate of Science and Technology office.
Now in his late 80s, in a rare interview, Poteat said he wasn't familiar with the recent Navy UFO encounters, yet admitted the events sounded "interesting."
Back to Barnes:"To determine Russia's ability to detect small targets, we used submarine-launched balloon-based metallic spheres," said Poteat. "The idea was for the early warning radar to track our electronic aircraft. Then for our submarine to surface and release the calibrated spheres up and into the path of the oncoming false aircraft."
T.D. Barnes believes the deployment of these new technologies to be key and thinks it's likely the Navy's "UFO encounters" involved simultaneously testing of ship's air defense capabilities and the ability of new technologies to defeat them. "Testing and evaluating advanced technology, both domestic and our adversaries was much of what we did while I was with Special Projects at Area 51," said Barnes.
This quote indicates that the pilots may have had some information. The unquoted paragraph before that says that Barnes is bound by oaths and does not give a direct answer to the question whether is possible that the pilots were completely ignorant, but proceeds to give an example wit the MiGs where they were at least partly ignorant about the test."When we were testing the MiG-21 against our planes, we'd often use National Guard pilots, who were only told that they were on a classified mission against foreign-made technology on Nellis Gunnery Range. They knew nothing about it being a CIA, DIA, Navy, and Air Force Foreign Technology Division project out of Area 51," said Barnes.
Now that is interesting. He is trying to judge by their demeanor and that means that he saw videos like these before. Also feels certain that somebody in the Pantagon knows what happened, which also indicates that he has been thru this before.Even with eyewitness accounts, and the Navy's recent statements that these objects are truly "unidentified," T.D. Barnes still feels fairly certain someone in Pentagon knows exactly what the Nimitz and Roosevelt Carrier Groups were dealing with. In Barnes' opinion, the edited and shortened ATFLIR videos and pilot's demeanor suggests aviators were at least vaguely aware of what they were targeting. "The videos 'I've seen, the pilots were whooping it up. I think they knew," said Barnes, referring to the "Go Fast" and "Gimbal" videos. With the pilots who have spoken about the incidents, all deny having any knowledge of what were the mysterious objects they encountered.
The article ends with Barnes and Poteat declining to comment on whether there are some oblong shaped platforms. Barnes says that while he worked at Area 51 saw many UFOs on the radar and never had a reason to think that they were aliens, nor pilots brought any accounts of such.Barnes told me he's aware of many past UFO sightings in the Seattle and Southern California regions that were actually advanced aerospace tests by Boeing or Lockheed Martin's Skunkworks.
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