War.gov/UFO - Department of War Releases UAP Files - 2026 Release 1

[boringrealit]

"Me: They should release the data and research that the UAPTF and UFOlogists claim exists or confirm that it doesn't exist, so that it can be debunked."

Let's role play

Release the video of you saying you owe me 1000 pounds.

Maybe my english isn't good enough to express what I meant to say with "or confirm that it doesn't exist". I just meant that they need to clearly communicate that it doesn't exists and give an explanation, backed up with whatever documentation exists, to why the other side is wrong. Like in a courtroom.

There is some difference between me and USG, it is a bureaucracy which document things. If Person X claim that there is a craft hidden at location Y there is probably a lot about his claim that can be backed up or debunked. Such as in the case of Lazar. He claimed that he had an education for the job, it was revealed that he did not.

And before someone tries to take another round in the loop of counter-arguments: Again, they need to say as much as they can or give allowance for the person to reveal what is necessary, if there is some USAP or similar involved. Whatever USG can reveal or not, they need to have an open and honest communication. Right now they aren't even denying the claims at all. Just silently allowing the accusations to go on, or at times doing something half-assed to try to appease the critics (which makes it worse).

 

[Andreas]

then they need to confirm that,

Why do we have to confirm that the U.S. government doesn't have secret proof of UFOs? Should we also prove that they don't have evidence of Bigfoot or unicorns? And how on earth do you think it would be possible to prove such a thing? The only way to do that would be to declassify everything ever recorded by the Pentagon (and every other government agency). And even then, people could still claim that the government is hiding things from us.

Based on our current understanding of the UAP phenomenon, we have no real reason to believe we're dealing with anything other than ordinary objects, clutter, or sensor malfunctions. What exactly is the government supposed to disclose? We see videos of small dots that sometimes look like birds and behave like birds, but some of the on-screen data is redacted. Should we demand access to that classified data simply because, even though everything suggests they're birds, they could still be aliens? We don't need to present evidence that space ghosts aren't playing hide-and-seek with the U.S. Navy. It's up to the people making those claims to provide the evidence.

 

[boringrealit]

I just think we have to agree to disagree on this point. Personally, I don't think we "need the data and the research." It's not about proving or disproving alien visitations. It's about disproving individual pieces of "evidence" put forward by believers.

The UFO crowd often argues, "ET is here—just look at all this evidence." That's why we have to study this "evidence" piece by piece, since a hundred lousy videos are no better proof than one lousy video.

But as a skeptic, I will never stand on the barricades demanding more evidence of UFOs. It's up to the people making all sorts of silly claims to present the evidence.

Ok, we have different ideas of what a sceptic is, fair enough.

But I should add the fatted part to the loop. Maybe I do that later.

 

[Fritzkquzerk]

We don't need to present evidence that space ghosts aren't playing hide-and-seek with the U.S. Navy. It's up to the people making those claims to provide the evidence.

I actually agree.
If they don't really have anything interesting, many people should stop making those weird claims.