George B
Extinct but not forgotten Staff Member
They are not common but may well be natural and explainable.These are NOT normal. If you need an explanation of why not, I truly believe you are playing dumb.
They are not common but may well be natural and explainable.These are NOT normal. If you need an explanation of why not, I truly believe you are playing dumb.
These are NOT normal. If you need an explanation of why not, I truly believe you are playing dumb.
No, the majority of people on the planet have not even been polled on the subject. Most have never come across the chemtrail nonsense online nor considered their sky to contain anything unusual.Now I hate to resort to logical fallacies, but the majority of people on this planet(appeal to majority) all say that they dont remember persistant contrails (chemtrails) in their area under conditions where they are happening now.
You have a habit of claiming what someone said, but not quoting it. You certainly misrepresented something I supposedly said, so I'm not going to accept your word for it now. You have been TOLD what the main reason is. Accept it or not- your choice.well seeing how my question is what changed between the 90's and now that makes chemtrails appear more, and they responded with that info, i would say yes, someone did say that.....
These are NOT normal. If you need an explanation of why not, I truly believe you are playing dumb.
We are taking great pains to answer your questions.this is exactly what im talking about when i say you distract and detract. either you are doing it on purpose, or just have a really bad memory and conversational/comprehensional skills. You have just made me go backwards in this conversation. I honestly think its on purpose...it cant happen this many times by accident.
Not common? that goes against everything ive been told buy people here thus far. So far I have been told that this is normal, common and highly documented....so now im getting conflicting stories....They are not common but may well be natural and explainable.
How old are you and how long have you been flying?All of these have explanations. Heck, the second one is just the product of the lens used to take the picture. I am also a pilot who works in the environment all the time. Can I help you with one question to start with? Whatever you want.
its a 360 degree panorama of what looks like altocumulus undulatusI believe one of those images is with an image-altering lens
honestly I just want to know which story Y;all are gonna go with? that those are uncommon, or that they are common and highly documented...cant have it both ways is allare you kidding me? pointing out that im getting conflicting stories from the debunkers makes me an utter jackass?
whats bunk? that its common or uncommon, surely it cant be both.bunk
posting a video without an explanation of context and/or timestamps is against posting guidelines.Funny how you all still ignore this video
that you have been told 'this is normal'. BEFORE you posted any of those pics.whats bunk? that its common or uncommon, surely it cant be both.
I see this almost every day. how can you tell me that its not common. Other people all around the planet see it everyday....this is the whole reason we are even having this debate....this is the whole reason this website exists.....that you have been told 'this is normal'. BEFORE you posted any of those pics.
some of the pics are normal for planes doing maneuvers etc but they aren't all common occurrences... meaning things people often see.
34, flying professionally for over twelve years.How old are you and how long have you been flying?
heres one https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-the-these-are-chemtrails-you-stupid-zombies-image.2861/SMH. SMH. SMH. Dierdre, are you just trying to be coy? Or have you really smoked that much pot that you just couldnt remember this part of the conversation....or are you also just lacking in basic reading and comprehension skills
Funny how you all still ignore this video, and now that I am able to point out your distracting/detracting/ conflicting explanations, and now you want to ignore blatant evidence?
How old are you and how long have you been flying?
Not common? that goes against everything ive been told buy people here thus far. So far I have been told that this is normal, common and highly documented....so now im getting conflicting stories....
then you have no information for me that would be helpful, as the phenomenon has only been ongoing for roughly that same time. Thanks anyhow.34, flying professionally for over twelve years.
wow, you ask for evidence, yet turn it down when presented with it...moving goal postSorry everyone appears to be ignoring the video but radar loop videos are not usable because of a number of reasons. If you are a professional radar technician and would like to explain what the video shows go ahead. I have a higher than normal understanding of radar technology and I easily see how the images are twisted to represent a point. Simply put, unless you are an expert on that stuff I would leave it alone.
those are only a handful of the THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of similar photos. The videos i have presented are only a handful of the hundreds of videos...I believe George was referring to those specific photos which show extreme examples.
The first photo has been discussed here:
http://contrailscience.com/why-do-some-planes-leave-long-trails-but-others-dont/
Contrail persist and spread are common.
Do you have a specific claim of evidence that you would like addressed?
And also, I find it QUITE contradictory for you to say that, yet you use Contrailscience.com, a website run by a videogame software developer who has no expertise in the things he tries to debunk, as your own evidence...Cause thats fair right? Only if it suits your viewpoint i guess.Simply put, unless you are an expert on that stuff I would leave it alone.
You do not see the Chinese air force practicing high altitude dogfights every day.I see this almost every day. how can you tell me that its not common. Other people all around the planet see it everyday
Can doppler pick up cirrus clouds?No, it's not like that. It's a matter that the evidence presented is poor. How deep down that radar return rabbit hole would you like me to go? I have all night but I won't explain that video unless your willing to present an open ear.
as the phenomenon has only been ongoing for roughly that same time. Thanks anyhow.
RPK is probably Route Passenger Kilometres (in billions).can you clarify what the numbers 0-5 running up the left side of this chart even indicates?
I never stated that. I simply asked if it can. Again words being put into my mouth. this makes me question your comprehension skills.YOU stated that the pulse doppler radar CAN NOT detect Cirrus clouds. Where is your source for this? I am looking at sources on the radar and they aren't specifying what clouds they can and cannot see.
HOWEVER, they DO state that the radar can see birds, bats, and even cars on the interstate depending on conditions: http://www.meteorologynews.com/2008/12/31/doppler-radar-can-detect-more-than-just-weather/comment-page-1/
I have already gone over this question. I am not going to answer it. If you cannot decipher for yourself what is different from today's chemtrails and old pictures of persistent contrails, than you have no business even talking about this topic.You talk about distracting and detracting but you have repeatedly NOT answered important questions.
So I will ask again: If contrails can and always have persisted, what is different about the ones you (and I in Bristol) see almost every day that makes them "suspicious" or shows they MUST be chemtrails? If you have determined that they are chemtrails and not contrails, HOW have you determined that?
This is an ad hominem attack. Attack his evidence, and not his character. And on another note, am I supposed to ignore everything a news source says because they have sponsors? if thats the case than we should just stop watching Cnn, NBC, ABC, FOX, PBS, all because they have sponsors? bullshit.Prison Planet (Alex Jones' site) has blatant advertising ALL over it, and mostly for INFOWARS BRANDED merchandise like a 1 oz bottle of "lung cleanser" for ONLY $29.95
This question is really central to the whole thing, and while you may have "gone over" it, I don't think you've given a clear answer to it. I can't imagine why you would take the time to type 3 sentences explaining that you refuse to answer it, instead of just answering it in one.I have already gone over this question. I am not going to answer it. If you cannot decipher for yourself what is different from today's chemtrails and old pictures of persistent contrails, than you have no business even talking about this topic.If you have determined that they are chemtrails and not contrails, HOW have you determined that?
All of those photos ypu posted were explained- some werent even from planes...but you ignore this and keep hammering away with misdirection.It is often observed that contrails spread considerably...Under favorable conditions, a lateral spread of kilometers is observed...If sufficient air traffic exists, and entire overcast of contrail cirrus may develop and persist for hours with rapid growth in the ice budget of individual contrails.
those are only a handful of the THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of similar photos. The videos i have presented are only a handful of the hundreds of videos...