US Department of War - UAP Files - Tranche 5
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Report PR-125 appears to be the USS Omaha Transmedium sphere case....
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/uss-omaha-transmedium-sphere-descending-to-the-sea.11711/
https://www.war.gov/UFO/release/05/...R125-Unresolved-UAP-Report-Pacific-Ocean-2019
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/uss-omaha-transmedium-sphere-descending-to-the-sea.11711/
https://www.war.gov/UFO/release/05/...R125-Unresolved-UAP-Report-Pacific-Ocean-2019
JMartJr
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The ones with the least information are the most likely to remain unidentified, perhaps
Edited to add: the first thing I see when going to Flarkey's first link are a set of artistic and digital recreations. Does this suggest they're scraping the bottom of the barrel interms of imagery to release?
There are some videos there too which are also at the bottom of the barrel:
https://www.war.gov/UFO/release/05/?releaseDate=Release+05&release=05&type=.vid
The location of DOW-UAP-PR134 has been confirmed as Baghdad.
https://www.war.gov/UFO/release/05/...-PR134-Unresolved-UAP-Report-Middle-East-2025
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/geolocation-exercises.13384/post-374389
https://www.war.gov/UFO/release/05/...-PR134-Unresolved-UAP-Report-Middle-East-2025
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/geolocation-exercises.13384/post-374389
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RobertBillyBob
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DOW-UAP-PR117 to DOW-UAP-PR122 are the same event, the report give speed estimates :
(https://www.war.gov/medialink/ufo/r...R_Unresolved-UAP-Report-Gulf-of-Oman_2021.pdf)
Do we know how TACTOOL works and if it can be used to get reasonable speed estimates in this context?
(https://www.war.gov/medialink/ufo/r...R_Unresolved-UAP-Report-Gulf-of-Oman_2021.pdf)
Do we know how TACTOOL works and if it can be used to get reasonable speed estimates in this context?
I love the distribution list in the .pdf, just about everybody everywhere in government was on it.
Did any of them respond to this feed in any way? Would be interesting to know if the list was tailored for this instance, or more likely, it is a standard list of recipients that everything is sent too.
Having a large list of recipients makes identifying leakers difficult, and also maximizes the chance that it will be received by someone with time on their hands to look for interesting things to store and pass along.
Fritzkquzerk
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It seems like they really are doing a serious effort to redact every piece of information possible, in order to give us the most ambiguous shit ever.
owntheissue
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"ambiguous shit" is the defining, pre requisite characteristic for the video to be included in these releases.
From an intel analysis perspective - anything "identifiable" has intelligence value so if someone asks for your "unidentified" file - they will invariably end up with videos of balloons/birds and artifacts.
Fritzkquzerk
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Some of them have some screen data.
Some others have at least a full screen image with redacted spaces.
The ones appearing to move "erratically" are cropped to a level where you just see the "object" and whole pieces of background are blacked out.
Maybe the sea/sky is also classified.
Weird, I can look at it with my eyes most of the time IRL.
Those entries contain the disclaimer that they were digitally altered prior to their transfer to AARO, and that they were secondary captures from sensor displays. The cropping may have nothing to do with security considerations; it may simply reflect poor data collection at the point of capture, whether from in-camera effects or alterations made somewhere along the chain of custody. It speaks volumes that materials with these provenance problems are cited by the online UFO commentariat as prime examples of footage showing intentional behavior or so-called "physics-defying" capabilities.
In my view, this pattern of assigning outsized evidentiary weight to low-information media also supports the theory that UAP, as a category, consists primarily of incidents that observers judged unusual based on limited information rather than incidents that evince intrinsically mysterious phenomena.
Fritzkquzerk
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Those videos are "chopped up" to a level that does not justify a simple poor data collection in my view.
Sometimes you just have a small portion of the whole frame, it cannot be just a feature of a secondary capture (like a phone camera filming a screen).
You would still see the on screen data if that was the case, without someone choosing to black it all out.
I'm sure most of these erratic balls can be balloons, and that the apparent movement alone doesn't prove any abnormal flight capabilities.
In other words, since we also got videos with at least some info on them, I don't see a particular reason to redact every single piece of info that could make debunking even easier.
Debunking kills "mysteries", why wouldn't the pentagon also help a bit to kill these conspiracy theories about aliens providing at least some data?
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Fritzkquzerk
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Examples:
Second capture, huge added redactions.
Same as above.
Redaction on the left side, added to the second capture.
I suspect no incredibly sensitive info is being withheld.
Second capture, huge added redactions.
Same as above.
Redaction on the left side, added to the second capture.
I suspect no incredibly sensitive info is being withheld.
Ann K
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There are UFO believers in the pentagon, and UFO believers in Congress, and UFO believers among the general public.There's not a great push to kill the conspiracy theories, because they'd offend the people who believe in them ...and that would be seen as another conspiracy theory. It's a no-win situation.
Fritzkquzerk
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That's actually what is more worrying, especially when coupled with weird supposed UFO-hazing rituals in the DoD programs.
That hazing ritual I suspect was a carry-over from the Service Academies, where first-year cadets are assigned silly tasks to show their dedication to the system. Things like memorizing the serial number on the nose wheel of the aircraft on display at the Air Force Academy. All part of the system, very much like fraternity hazing rituals. "We had to go through this when we were new so you have to go through it when you are new."
Never saw anything like that on the civilian side of the classified world.
Fritzkquzerk
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UFOs are a national security matter, just because unidentified stuff in the sky has to be identified if possible or at least categorized as such and filed.
Thinking that people in the DoD are playing around that subject is pretty worrying IMHO.
Still the best defence department in the world, so far.
The Italian Aeronautica Militare still files and publishes the sightings they were not able to identify.
I haven't heard of any UFO buffs playing jokes in our military, which is still much less powerful than the American one.
I hope this frenzy will go away, maybe with a more serious administration?
Ann K
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UFOs in the "who's messing around in our air space?" sense are a serious matter. I think it safe to say that UFOs in the "space alien" sense are not, and are a fitting subject for juvenile jokes.
Fritzkquzerk
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These juvenile jokes seem pretty convincing for those who went to congress to talk about alien bodies.
Must be a hell of a hazing ritual.
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My claim is, all this PURSUE nonsense, and all the ambiguous shitty videos are fueling conspiracy theories.
The institutions are not managing this very well.
Ann K
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Find UFOs: conspiracy theories.
Don't find UFOs: conspiracy theories.
How do you suggest "the institutions" manage this kind of "heads, I win, tails, you lose" situation? There are always going to be people who are eager to take advantage of any situation, and there are always going to be people gullible enough to let them do so.
FatPhil
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Although, wasting time and effort on the UFOs in a space alien context takes resources away from their actual role of protecting and defending against real threats. So is a matter of (weakening) national security.
Leekster
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Agreed.
Been saying this for years.
You can't win.
If they say there are no aliens it's because they are hiding them with a cover up.
Some "whistleblower" with zero credibility says he spoke to a guy whose cousin works with aliens at Area 51 and then it's, "I KNEW IT WAS TRUE!"
No matter how many times the government holds a presser and says, "We have no evidence of aliens." They yell, "Cover up!!"
Every release of video that shows what is likey a bird or balloon. "See! They are prepping us for eminent disclosure!"
I wanna barf.
Fritzkquzerk
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Surely making government agents believe that some UFOs are potentially alien, when these could very well be the real UFOs even if prosaic (meaning a real security problem) won't have negative consequences at all (I'm being sarcastic).
NorCal Dave
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Aliens are not. Drones, and other things CAN be security matters, but I think, for the most part, they are dealt with accordingly. I find the hyped up concern over UAP/UFOs a bit of a strawman. It's mostly the UFO proponents, as in aliens, that push this narrative in an effort to make UFOs a more legitimate topic. As @Mendel has pointed out in several threads, bird strikes are a much more serious matter, but there isn't nearly the hype about it.
Check out our thread on AAWSAP (link below). People in the DoD, with congressional help, managed to commit $22M to investigating UFOs, remote viewing, the paranormal and werewolves, among other things, at Skinwalker Ranch.
The DoD, the Intell community and every other form of government is made up of citizens. In the US, it's US citizens, in Italy, it's Italian citizens. As such, it's a reflection of society at large, and at least some people are going to be into UFOs, just like some are into certain TV shows. Are there a few Carabinieri that believe in visions of Mary or dress up at a convention of some kind?
In the vast US bureaucracy, there are those that share what they believe to be UFOs with other enthusiasts on government servers for a varsity of reasons. Some just share, what they think, are weird videos to share. Some share with like minded UFO enthusiast and I'm sure some share to troll. Some of these shared, often out of context, videos eventually end up being reported to AARO.
When Congress wanted answers a few years ago, those in the DoD ended up bringing in Navel Intel officer Jay Stratton, to lead the UAP Task Force (UAPTF). Likely because he had been looking into UAP with the defunct AAWSAP program and then with his buddy Elizondo and their side hustle, AATIP. He's a Skinwalker Ranch alum, that according to the book about AAWSAP, believed that a contagion followed him home to Virginia from Utah and there were 7' werewolves in his suburban Virginia (just outside Washington DC) neighborhood.
As the DoD's official head of the UAPTF, Stratton hired Dr. Travis Taylor as "Chief Scientist". Taylor was regular on the silly Ancient Aliens TV show, based on Eric Von Daniken's fraudulent books. He is still one of the main stars of Secrets of Skinwalker Ranch, another silly cable TV show.
It's nothing new. The US Army and CIA ran project Stargate for decades spending all kinds of money on Psy research that never planned out. Stargate supervisor, General Stubblebine, believed he could (or should be able too) walk through walls and wanted all his soldiers to be able to bend spoons with their mind.
AAWSAP thread: https://www.metabunk.org/threads/the-origins-of-aawsap.12484/
JMartJr
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Nor are UFOs the only woo topic to get official attention, for example:
Source: https://www.cia.gov/stories/story/ask-molly-did-cia-really-study-psychic-powers/External Quote:
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I have read that the USSR was also into this stuff, but have never known how reliable that claim is... it is possible I guess that both sided were faking interest in order to lure the other side into squandering resources. Is it possible some of the modern UFO interest is similar misdirection? Heck if I know.
NorCal Dave
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There was certainly a FOMO that got the Army/CIA into Psy. And those early "experiments" involved Russel Targ and Hal Puthoff who went on to be an influential member of the Skinwalker Ranch crowd, part of AAWSAP, a designer of the failed KONA BLUE program, and was sent by Christopher Mellon to be a "whistle-blower" to AARO about alien crash retrieval programs. Project Stargate, Grill Flame* and those old Psy experiments are a part of the current file releases.
* Project Grill Flame has got to be one of the best names yet for a secret operation. Certainly top 10.
FOMO is a great motivator, and the more the other guys appear to be onto something the more some on your side will demand you mimic the other sides efforts.
I would be surprised if there was not similar misdirection going on now. With the internet the cost to tease, lure or bait an organization into wasting money is too small to pass up.
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