Trump's Ear wound

Matt33

Senior Member
Trump's ear appeared intact when he met with Netanjahu yesterday. Would it look like that after 14 days when it was hit by a bullet? In my opinion he was surely hit by something, there was blood, but it was something with considerable less energy than a flying bullet. It caused more like a cut than a bullet hit. An alleged "reconstruction surgery" wouldn't heal in 14 days like what can be seen in the photos.
https://www.timesnownews.com/world/...that-he-wasnt-shot-at-rally-article-112050661
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i wouldnt call those LIZ things "photos". you know you can go to AP images or Getty images etc and see full size professional photos vs those blurry twitter things.
I had a look on Getty, I found these from the last couple of days
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To me the most surprising is even with all todays tech, footage etc they still don't know if he was hit by a bullet or not!
Which makes me reassess the difficulty of putting together what happened with the JFK events from 60 years ago

EDIT: OK heres Trump on 20 June 2024, thus ~month before the bullet
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I had a look on Getty, I found these from the last couple of days

To me the most surprising is even with all todays tech, footage etc they still don't know if he was hit by a bullet or not!
Which makes me reassess the difficulty of putting together what happened with the JFK events from 60 years ago

EDIT: OK heres Trump on 20 June 2024, thus ~month before the bullet

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The FBI has confirmed that former President Trump was struck in the ear by a bullet in an assassination attempt after the agency's director, Christopher Wray, questioned what hit his ear earlier this week.

"What struck former President Trump in the ear was a bullet, whether whole or fragmented into smaller pieces, fired from the deceased subject's rifle," the agency said in an emailed statement sent to The Hill Friday.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/4795681-fbi-confirms-trump-struck-by-bullet/

That seems pretty definitive.
 
There is still a difference between a bullet and a fragment of a bullet. Fragments occur when the bullet had hit something else before. Sure, it's still nasty to be hit by flying fragments, yet it's not necessarily life threatening. And I wonder how the FBI can conclude that it was a fragment of a bullet, and not a fragment of something else? I consider the statement as being kind of a political concession to calm down MAGAs and other critics. Why don't they just release the medical report?
 
Why don't they just release the medical report?
Who is "they"? My understanding is that medical reports get released only if and when the patient permits it, and in this case the patient has a political narrative to uphold. We have a number of years of experience with Trump's reluctance to release medical records, and once it happened they have proved to be questionable, to say the least.

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When he first ran in 2016, Trump declined to release full medical records, and instead released a note from his doctor that declared Trump would be "the healthiest individual ever elected to the presidency."

Dr. Harold Bornstein later revealed that the glowing, four-paragraph assessment was written in 5 minutes as a car sent by Trump to collect it waited outside.

Jackson, after administering a physical to Trump in 2018, drew headlines for extolling the then-president's "incredibly good genes" and suggesting that "if he had a healthier diet over the last 20 years he might live to be 200 years old."

When Trump was infected with the coronavirus in the midst of his 2020 re-election campaign, his doctors and aides tried to downplay the severity of his condition and withheld information about how sick he was and key details of his treatment.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-shooting-transparency-db2f4437237ad03d3b04b0b5f1573977
 
Why don't they just release the medical report?
you need an ER document that says "laceration to the ear"?

or do you think the ER doctor is gonna write "the wound is consistent with the right edge of a .556 caliber bullet at an angle of 35 degrees".
 
I don't need anything, it would just be an interesting (or maybe not) piece of evidence for what exactly happened to his ear. The evidence so far points to a very minor, superficial wound which healed completely in two weeks time, leaving no scar, let alone having been the subject of "reconstructive surgery".
 
The evidence so far points to a very minor, superficial wound which healed completely in two weeks time,
i didnt realize anyone was saying it was more severe than that.

leaving no scar
i dont know why @captancourgette didnt give us the links. if you go to the stock photo pages you can click on them and get the full size version and then zoom in. there is a bit of scaring but it's a very small area. in those particular getty images there is still very minor swelling (blueish areas typical of swelling) , im sure even that little bit in those photos is gone by yesterday.

the big bandage at the convention might have confused some people. its kinda amazing how much swelling can occur even with little injuries, i personally think the large bandage was more to cover the swelling which can look pretty nasty.
 
My personal approach is more like that the doctor said, "you were lucky, a bandaid will do", "no, no, put something BIG on". I admit, that's just my prejudice about Trump, fed by him being always reliably him.
About the reconstructive surgery I have to back track. That was yellow press gossip from "experts" shortly after the incident.
 
If the ER Docs removed a foreign body, that would be relevant but publicly unknown data the FBI might know about, but are unable to reveal.

Only Trump himself can approve the public release of his medical records. But does the FBI legally have access to the medical records? Or do they have a reliable informant who overheard a conversation? Or who witnessed something that happened in the ER or something that happened before Trump got to the ER? Or a recording from inside the vehicle that transported Trump?
 
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I've asked GPT some questions.

Is the top of the human ear made of cartilage, and is the tissue of the top of the human ear relatively well vascularized or poorly vascularized?

Yes, the top of the human ear, known as the pinna or auricle, is primarily made of elastic cartilage. This cartilage gives the ear its shape and flexibility.

The tissue of the pinna, including the cartilage, is relatively poorly vascularized compared to other parts of the body. While it does have some blood vessels, the density is lower, and the cartilage itself has no direct blood supply. Instead, the blood supply to the cartilage comes from the surrounding perichondrium, a layer of connective tissue that covers the cartilage. This relatively low vascularization can contribute to slower healing times for injuries to the ear's cartilage.

Is the surrounding perichondrium, a layer of connective tissue that covers the cartilage, relatively well vascularized or poorly vascularized?

The perichondrium, the layer of connective tissue surrounding the cartilage, is relatively well vascularized compared to the cartilage itself. It contains blood vessels that supply nutrients to the cartilage, which lacks its own blood supply. This vascular network in the perichondrium is essential for the maintenance and repair of the cartilage, as it delivers the necessary nutrients and oxygen and removes waste products. However, compared to more highly vascularized tissues, like muscles or skin, the perichondrium's blood supply is still relatively limited, which can impact the overall healing process in cartilage injuries.
 
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My personal approach is more like that the doctor said, "you were lucky, a bandaid will do", "no, no, put something BIG on". I admit, that's just my prejudice about Trump, fed by him being always reliably him.
maybe. it looked pretty dorky though.
 
It's been widely noted that details of Reagan's condition were quickly reported after the 1981 assassination attempt.

Re: The Reagan assassination attempt:
The Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) was enacted in 1996, well after the 1981 assassination attempt on President Ronald Reagan. Therefore, HIPAA regulations, which protect patient privacy and restrict the sharing of medical information without consent, were not in effect at that time.

Regarding the exact timing of the release of information about Reagan's condition, specific details about the hour and minute of the public announcement are not commonly documented in historical records. The general sequence of events is known: the shooting occurred around 2:27 PM on March 30, 1981, and Reagan was taken to George Washington University Hospital shortly thereafter. Information about his condition and surgery was made public on the same day, but exact times for each statement or announcement vary in historical accounts and are not consistently specified. The communication of such information typically involved the coordination of the White House staff, medical personnel, and the president's security detail, with efforts to inform the public in a timely and accurate manner.


Re: The recent attempt.:
In the context of modern HIPAA (Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act) regulations, which protect the privacy of individuals' medical information, it would generally be a violation for unauthorized persons to release medical records or detailed information about someone's medical condition without their consent. This includes information about specific injuries or treatments.

For public figures, like former President Donald Trump, there is often significant public interest in their health, especially in the case of events like assassination attempts. However, HIPAA still applies, and only certain individuals, such as the patient themselves or those they have authorized, can legally release protected health information.

If someone other than Trump or an authorized representative released detailed medical information about an injury he sustained, such as an ear wound, without his permission, it could potentially be considered a HIPAA violation. However, general statements about the incident, especially those made by public officials or security personnel that do not delve into specific medical details, might not fall under the same stringent privacy protections, especially if they are part of a public safety announcement.
 
I'm having flashbacks of the hoaxers obsessing over the medical condition of the teacher who got slightly grazed in the side of the foot.
 
The only statements have come from Ronnie Jackson. I think the photos are consistent with a superficial wound that has healed.
Agreed, or possibly a slightly less superficial wound that has some liquid bandage over it. Could then cover in whatever makeup he's using to blend/conceal it more if needed.
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Let's explore some radical scenarios.

Could the bullet have missed completely? But could the shockwave from the bullet alone have caused enough tissue damage to the skin to cause the observed bleeding?

No.

There are folk beliefs about this kind of thing. Mostly about the mighty 50 caliber Browning Machine Gun round. They usually go like this: "The .50 BMG round is so powerful that a near miss can tear your arm off."

This video disproves that.

Hole in card from .50 BMG bullet which passed through a house of cards. The house of cards is still standing.
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Slow motion video segment starts after he knocks down the house of cards...

Is this a hoax? Highly doubt it. I think this is real.

Think about it. If a bullet was constantly putting out that much kinetic energy, how far could it travel?

Yes, I'm aware that this is a video from the infamous Demolition Ranch channel. What of it?


Second hypothetical scenario: Could this wound have been caused by a spontaneous bullet jacket separation?

Plausible.

Second part of scenario 2: If a section of the jacket separated from the bullet at just the right distance and angle, could a piece of the jacket hit a human ear hard enough to cause oozing capillary bleeding without penetration? Could the jacket fragment have "bounced off"? Could this explain the notable lack of a visible wound?

Seems plausible but unknown

GPT
Bullet destabilization in mid-flight due to jacket separation occurs when the outer metal jacket of a bullet detaches from the core. This phenomenon can affect the bullet's stability, accuracy, and terminal performance. Here are key points about this issue:

  1. Jacket-Core Separation: Most bullets used in modern firearms are jacketed, meaning they have a harder metal shell (usually copper or a copper alloy) surrounding a softer lead core. This design helps maintain the bullet's shape and enhances penetration. However, during firing or upon impact, the jacket can separate from the core if the bond between them is not strong enough. This separation can happen due to manufacturing defects, high velocities, or upon hitting a target.
  2. Causes of Separation:
    • Manufacturing Defects: Poor bonding or inconsistencies in the manufacturing process can lead to weak attachment between the jacket and core.
    • High Velocities: Bullets fired at high velocities generate significant centrifugal force, especially in bullets with a thin jacket or soft core. This can cause the jacket to strip away from the core.
    • Impact with Hard Surfaces: When a bullet strikes a hard surface, the sudden deceleration and force can cause the jacket to separate from the core.
  3. Effects on Bullet Stability:
    • Destabilization: Once the jacket separates, the bullet's aerodynamic stability is compromised. The bullet may start to tumble or deviate from its intended path, reducing accuracy.
    • Reduced Accuracy: The separation can lead to unpredictable trajectories, making it difficult for the shooter to hit the target precisely.
    • Terminal Performance: Jacket separation can affect the bullet's ability to penetrate and expand properly upon impact, potentially reducing its effectiveness.

Sources:

  1. Hatcher, Julian S. "Hatcher's Notebook." A classic reference on firearms and ammunition, discussing bullet behavior, including jacket separation and its effects.
  2. Hornady, "Handbook of Cartridge Reloading." This manual includes detailed information on bullet design and the effects of jacket separation.
  3. Ballistics Research, "Bullet Design and Performance." Research papers and studies on the aerodynamics of bullets and the impact of jacket separation on stability and accuracy.


4o

This kind of thing is known to happen.

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https://www.rimfirecentral.com/posts/3755796/
The hillbillies who taught me groundhog and crow hunting always carried multiple boxes of handloads (with varying charge weights) when they went hunting because their .22-250 and .220 Swift loads all teetered on the brink of destruction. Melt, vaporize, sublimate, explode, ...call it what you will but it almost always was marked by a telltale puff of gray smoke somewhere in mid-flight. I've seen it with my own two eyes dozens of times. When that happened, they'd switch to the next lighter load and go back to shooting.

In 2007, Eric Stecker, who became HMFIC of Berger Bullets when Walt Berger retired, did the engineer's due diligence and tested his own product to failure. He documented the firing of 950 6.5mm bullets from 1:8.5 twist .256 and .257 Krieger barrels into a berm at 1000 yards, with each shot witnessed by no fewer than two observers to confirm whether it reached the berm or failed in flight.

All told, 62 bullets failed in flight, beginning with the 106th shot fired. Here is Eric's accounting of the testing.

Bullets fail in flight, that much is certain. But I don't think anyone ever has instrumented a bullet and then "failed" it, or photographed the disintegration process, so exactly what the mechanism of failure is is a matter of speculation and debate. One camp (which includes Eric Stecker) thinks the high temps soften the lead core to the plastic state, at which point the centripetal force pulls it apart. Some folks describe this as "melting" but that's an oversimplification to avoid having to tutor ignernt hillbillies like myself about the states of matter.

The other camp is equally as convinced that excessive RPMs are to blame.

But since you can't fire a bullet without both high temps and high RPMs, I'm inclined to think it's a little of both, and either one could be the major culprit depending on all the particulars: ambient temperature, caliber, bearing surface length, rate of twist, # of grooves, type and depth of rifling, MV, rate of fire...

There are several comments like this one mentioning a visible trail:
I use Speer 50 gr. TNT bullets in my .222 and if I exceed the velocity warning on the box by even 50 fps, they will not reach the target at 100 yds. The rotational force beyond about 3,200 fps will make them disintegrate....as in "fly apart." But, they did not melt. In my scope, I can see a little gray puff of "smoke" (read: debris) at about 60-70 yards and not a single little hole in the paper target. Keep them at around 3,150 fps and they are a superb bullet...
 
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In light of this, we may have to take a second look at this photo.
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Our two ideas: This streak was caused by sunlight on the bullet, or this is a bullet trace - a kind of aerodynamic contrail. But what if this a puff of debris caused by Jacket-Core Separation? I think not because we don't see it in the video(s) and this kind of thing would last longer(?). I also think it would be more of a cloud shape. But who knows?

Reminder: This is not the bullet that wounded Trump. He's already reacting. This is a subsequent bullet. The second or third round in the first burst of 3 shots. Probably the third.


What could have caused a Jacket-Core Separation?

Manufacturing Defects - If one cartridge was defective, why not more than one?
Ammunition Type not recommended for this particular rifle - I don't know how likely this is.


Higher Velocity than recommended causes excessive RPMs and excessive "centrifugal forces." What could cause that?

Improperly Reloaded Ammo - Not likely, but possible.

Hot Rifle/Hot Cartridges -When the rifle chamber is already hot, the excess heat can cause an increase in the burn rate of the powder in the cartridge. That causes higher pressure and increases the muzzle velocity of the bullet. This rifle had not been fired recently. But there are reports that Crooks hid it beforehand (I don't know if that's true). Was it lying in the sun or was it hidden in a small space that was heated by direct sunlight? If Crooks also left the cartridges hidden, the cartridges themselves would be hot, not just the rifle. It seems to me that might be the more significant factor.

Case Pressure Sensitivity: Ammunition stored in a hot environment can experience increased internal pressure. This occurs because the components inside the cartridge, including the primer and gunpowder, become more sensitive and reactive at higher temperatures, potentially leading to higher pressure when the round is fired.


Or excessive heat can cause...
Tighter Fit In The Rifling: If the barrel is hot, it expands. The inside diameter of the barrel decreases. The bullet might be deformed/damaged during its passage through the rifling. This doesn't seem a likely explanation because the heat from weather/Sun is nothing compared to the heat from firing successive rounds.
 
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The only statements have come from Ronnie Jackson. I think the photos are consistent with a superficial wound that has healed.
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To me, as a layperson, this sounds consistent with a bullet that grazed the very top of Trump's ear front-to-back. It would heal like a scratch.

There would be no shockwave directed into the ear canal.

I see no reason to speculate on what else could have happened, as long as we don't have more evidence. The simplest explanation suits me fine.
 
That statement comes from Ronny Jackson who many believe has long ago completely blown his credibility and that the report is not reliable. There have been no reports from the attending physicians. People are wondering why.


In January 2018, Dr. Ronny Jackson, then the White House physician, released a report on President Donald Trump's health following a comprehensive medical examination. Jackson's assessment was notable for several reasons:

Overall Health and Fitness: Jackson described Trump as being in "excellent" health, stating that he had "incredible genes."* He noted that the President's cardiac health was excellent, despite a poor diet and lack of exercise, which surprised some medical professionals given Trump's age and weight.
*Jackson did a DNA analysis?
Cognitive Test: At the President's request, Jackson conducted a cognitive assessment, the Montreal Cognitive Assessment (MoCA), on Trump, which he passed with a perfect score. This test is designed to detect cognitive impairment, and Trump's passing was presented as evidence of his mental fitness.

Weight and BMI: Jackson reported Trump's weight as 239 pounds and height as 6 feet 3 inches, giving him a Body Mass Index (BMI) just under the threshold for obesity.

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This specific figure (239 pounds) was noted by some critics and commentators because it was seen as being on the borderline of a classification change, leading to speculation about the accuracy or potential minimization of Trump's weight.

Medication: Jackson mentioned that Trump was taking medications for high cholesterol and a daily aspirin. He also recommended that the President could benefit from dietary changes and more exercise.

The report sparked considerable public discussion and skepticism, particularly regarding the characterization of Trump's health as "excellent" given his well-known dietary habits and lack of regular exercise. Some medical professionals and commentators questioned whether the assessment was overly favorable, potentially influenced by Jackson's position as the President's personal physician and the political context.

In summary, while Jackson's report was an official medical assessment, it became a point of contention and was scrutinized for potential bias, particularly in the portrayal of Trump's physical and cognitive health.

  • Nomination Withdrawal for Veterans Affairs Secretary: In 2018, Jackson was nominated by President Trump to be the Secretary of Veterans Affairs. However, he withdrew from consideration after allegations emerged regarding his professional conduct, including claims of over-prescribing medications, improper management, and creating a hostile work environment. These allegations were largely based on anonymous sources and were not formally substantiated.
  • Inspector General Report: A 2021 report from the Department of Defense's Office of Inspector General found that Jackson made "sexual and denigrating" comments about a female subordinate, drank alcohol while on duty, and took prescription-strength sleep aids while traveling with the president, which could impair his ability to provide medical care. Jackson denied these allegations.
  • Partisan and Controversial Statements: Since becoming a U.S. Congressman, Jackson has been a vocal supporter of Donald Trump and has made statements that some view as highly partisan or controversial. For example, he has publicly questioned President Joe Biden's cognitive abilities, a stance that critics argue is outside the norms of professional medical conduct.
  • COVID-19 Response: Jackson has also been criticized for some of his public statements regarding COVID-19, including questioning the effectiveness of masks and other public health measures, which has drawn criticism from health experts and the public.

He's suspected of being a Dr. Feelgood type as well.
The allegations against Dr. Ronny Jackson regarding inappropriate prescribing practices were primarily reported in media outlets, citing anonymous sources and internal complaints. Some specific instances and sources of the accusations include:

Anonymous Accusations from White House Staff: Several current and former White House medical staff members, who spoke on condition of anonymity, reported that Jackson had a reputation for being overly generous in prescribing medications such as Ambien (a sleep aid) and Percocet (a pain reliever). These medications were allegedly dispensed with minimal oversight, raising concerns about the potential for misuse or addiction.

Senate Veterans' Affairs Committee: During the review of Jackson's nomination to become the Secretary of Veterans Affairs in 2018, the Senate Veterans' Affairs Committee received complaints from current and former colleagues. These complaints highlighted issues with his prescribing practices, among other concerns.

Office of the Inspector General (OIG) for the Department of Veterans Affairs: In 2021, the OIG released a report on Jackson's conduct. The report noted that while serving as White House physician, Jackson engaged in unprofessional behavior, including prescribing practices that did not meet medical standards. The OIG also documented instances where Jackson had provided prescription medications to White House staff and others without proper medical justification.

These reports and accusations were part of broader concerns about Jackson's conduct, including his management style, professional behavior, and allegations of creating a hostile work environment. Jackson has denied the allegations, and some of his supporters have suggested that the accusations were politically motivated. However, the controversy contributed to his decision to withdraw from consideration for the position of Secretary of Veterans Affairs.
 
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There is still a difference between a bullet and a fragment of a bullet. Fragments occur when the bullet had hit something else before. Sure, it's still nasty to be hit by flying fragments, yet it's not necessarily life threatening. And I wonder how the FBI can conclude that it was a fragment of a bullet, and not a fragment of something else? I consider the statement as being kind of a political concession to calm down MAGAs and other critics. Why don't they just release the medical report?

I really don't understand the issue. What on earth difference does it make ? The only people I can see who are questioning whether it was a fragment or an entire bullet are the 'it was all stage managed ' conspiracists. Most other people, myself included, consider the distinction irrelevant. It does not alter the cause, the motivation, or the outcome.
 
or those offended at the "it was a miracle" and "god was watching over him" reactions.

God must have been slacking...for him to be hit in the ear at all. Then again, there are those who can note that 249 people die in some plane crash and then declare it a 'miracle' that a passenger in seat 39B survived. Logic is not the strong point when it comes to 'miracles'.
 
With apologies I can only give a link to the original summary.
its here
https://media.defense.gov/2021/Mar/03/2002592287/-1/-1/1/DODIG-2021-057.PDF

( i didnt see any complaints about him prescribing drugs though. )
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The President nominated Rear Admiral (Lower Half) (RDML) Ronny Lynn Jackson, M.D., to serve as the Secretary of Veterans Affairs on April 16, 2018

23 current and former colleagues of RDML Jackson, who "raised serious concerns about [RDML] Jackson's temperament and ethics and cast doubt on his ability to lead the second largest agency in government." The Ranking Member of that Committee, Senator Jon Tester (D-MT), released a two-page summary on April 25, 2018, with the concerns grouped into three categories: "Prescribing Practices," "Hostile Work Environment," and "Drunken[n]ess."
 
Wrong Document. Different report. You've linked to the 2021 Inspector General Report: which found that Jackson made "sexual and denigrating" comments about a female subordinate, drank alcohol while on duty, and took prescription-strength sleep aids while traveling with the president.

I linked to the 2018 Senate Veterans Affairs' Committee report summary. He was nominated to be the Secretary of Veterans Affairs. He withdrew from consideration after allegations emerged regarding his professional conduct, including claims of over-prescribing medications, improper management, and creating a hostile work environment.

Screen shot of the summary of Senate Veterans Affairs' Committee report...

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Wrong Document. Different report.
how so? it is the investigation of the "congress committee 'report'", your article link says:

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Office of the Inspector General (OIG) for the Department of Veterans Affairs: In 2021, the OIG released a report on Jackson's conduct. The report noted that while serving as White House physician, Jackson engaged in unprofessional behavior, including prescribing practices that did not meet medical standards. The OIG also documented instances where Jackson had provided prescription medications to White House staff and others without proper medical justification.
i'm saying you should probably read the actual investigation report and it's conclusions.


add: not that any of this has to do with whether his eyeballs can see a 2cm wound and know if an ear can heal on its own.
 
I'm not citing this to prove he has no credibility. I'm giving reasons why people question his credibility. His honesty is suspect, not his competence.

The question remains... Why no report from the attending physicians? Why do we only have a report filtered through a political ally?

It's something unprecedented in American history, as far as I can see.

In the course of time, we may see an official report that contradicts Jackson's report.
 
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what attending physicians? he is an attending physician.
No, Jackson was not. (He was when Trump was in the White House, but not now.) He just read the hospital report.
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He said he has reviewed Trump's medical records from Butler Memorial Hospital, where he was treated for a "gunshot wound to the right ear," and agrees with the initial assessment and treatment from the medical staff at the hospital.

"There is absolutely no evidence that it was anything other than a bullet," Jackson wrote. He said that Trump is "rapidly recovering" from the wound and doing "extremely well."

The memo from Jackson appears to have been prompted by comments FBI Director Chris Wray made to the House Judiciary Committee during an oversight hearing Wednesday, during which he said Trump's ear was grazed by either shrapnel or a bullet.

"With respect to former President Trump, there is some question about whether it was a bullet or shrapnel that hit his ear," he said.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...-trump-hit-by-bullet-not-shrapnel/ar-BB1qHbnA
 
Here's a sampling from American History:

President Ronald Reagan
Assassination Attempt Date: March 30, 1981
  • Attending Physicians:
    • Dr. Joseph Giordano: Chief of trauma surgery at George Washington University Hospital.
    • Dr. Benjamin Aaron: Cardiothoracic surgeon who performed the surgery to remove the bullet.
    • Dr. Dennis O'Leary: Director of the hospital's trauma unit.
    • Dr. David Adelberg: Resident assisting in the surgery.

President Abraham Lincoln
Assassination Date: April 14, 1865
  • Attending Physicians:
    • Dr. Charles Leale: A young Army surgeon who was the first to reach Lincoln and initially treated him.
    • Dr. Charles Sabin Taft: Another Army surgeon who assisted.
    • Dr. Robert King Stone: Lincoln's personal physician who was called to attend after the shooting.
    • Dr. Joseph K. Barnes: Surgeon General of the United States, who arrived later.

Senator Robert F. Kennedy
Assassination Date: June 5, 1968
  • Attending Physicians:
    • Dr. Thomas Noguchi: Los Angeles County Coroner who performed the autopsy.
    • Dr. John W. Davis: Neurosurgeon who operated on Kennedy in an attempt to save his life.
    • Dr. William Weisel: The family doctor who was present at Good Samaritan Hospital.

President John F. Kennedy
Assassination Date: November 22, 1963
  • Attending Physicians:
    • Dr. Malcolm Perry: Performed the initial tracheotomy at Parkland Memorial Hospital.
    • Dr. Robert McClelland: Assisted in the attempts to save Kennedy's life.
    • Dr. William Kemp Clark: Chief of neurosurgery at Parkland Hospital, pronounced Kennedy dead.
    • Dr. James Humes: Pathologist who led the autopsy at Bethesda Naval Hospital.

President James A. Garfield
Assassination Attempt Date: July 2, 1881
  • Attending Physicians:
    • Dr. Willard Bliss: Took charge of Garfield's medical care after the shooting.
    • Dr. D. Willard Bliss: (a different individual) Also involved in Garfield's treatment.
    • Dr. Robert Reyburn, Dr. Joseph K. Barnes, and others: Various physicians consulted or involved.

Ex-President Theodore Roosevelt
Assassination Attempt Date: October 14, 1912
  • Attending Physicians:
    • Dr. Scoville: First physician to examine Roosevelt at the scene.
    • Dr. John F. Golden: Surgeon who attended to Roosevelt at the hospital in Milwaukee.
    • Dr. Leroy M. Haden: Radiologist who took X-rays to locate the bullet.

President William McKinley
Assassination Date: September 6, 1901
  • Attending Physicians:
    • Dr. Matthew D. Mann: Gynecologist who led the surgery to treat McKinley.
    • Dr. Herman Mynter: Physician who initially attended to McKinley at the scene.
    • Dr. Roswell Park: A leading surgeon who was contacted to assist but did not arrive in time.
    • Dr. Charles G. Stockton: Physician who assisted with post-operative care.
    • Dr. Harvey Gaylord: Assisted in post-operative care and consultation.

Ex-President Donald Trump
Assassination Attempt Date: July 13, 2024
Attending Physicians - ???

We know they were clinicians at Butler (Pa.) Memorial Hospital
https://www.independence.health/locations/butler-memorial-hospital/

Does Ronny Jackson Have an Active Medical License?
by Rachael Robertson, Enterprise & Investigative Writer, MedPage Today,July 23, 2024
— The question arose after his memo on Trump's treatment following an assassination attempt
https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/features/111214#:~:text=Jackson first obtained licensure in,COVID in a memo yesterday.
Jackson holds an active license in Florida, according to the state's online license verification system. However, it's listed as "military active," which means "the licensed practitioner, serving in the Armed Forces of the United States, is only authorized to practice in a military facility," per the Florida Department of Health.

As of press time, neither the Florida Department of Health, the Department of Veterans Affairs, nor Walter Reed National Military Medical Center replied to MedPage Today's multiple requests for clarification on whether physicians with "military active" licensure can practice outside military facilities or outside the state of their military active licensure.

He can't be considered as an attending, or "treating physician." His report was a press release, usually described as a "memo" - not a medical report. He briefly described what the treating physicians at Butler Memorial did, and added: " I have evaluated and treated his wound daily." I guess that's okay, as anyone is allowed to change a bandage.

As I said, that the attending physicians are unknown and no medical records have been released is, as far as I know, unprecedented in American History. That's, naturally, going to raise questions and suspicions. Jackson's clouded reputation and Trump's unfortunate relation with the truth is going to add to that.

Add to that: The FBI has kept the question open as to whether it was an intact bullet or a fragment of a bullet... I think it's reasonable to explore whether a spontaneous core-jacket separation is plausible. Not fact, but something that could happen.

Note official titles on the memo describe his duties as a congressman. He doesn't report himself as a licensed physician; only as former physician to the president.


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The specific questions:
1. Is Trump milking this thing politically? He's been stating things like: "I took a bullet for democracy."



I took a bullet fragment for democracy, just doesn't have the same ring to it.

If one or more foreign bodies were plucked out by the treating physicians... could it be that Trump and/or advisors wanted to cover that up? What about the "fallen leader effect" and the kick that could give him in Nov.? Should truth stand in the way of that? What is truth, anyway?

2. Is Jackson knowingly distorting the truth? Jackson has already been accused of fudging his official medical report back in January, 2018. A political tactic and not ethical... they say. What's to keep him from fudging a "memo"?

Is it important? I don't know. Is it important that while William Henry Harrison was long recorded in history as dying from pneumonia he contracted during a long inauguration speech in the rain 32 days before, it's pretty clear now that he died of typhoid fever? The White House was near a marsh of sewage.. Eww. Taylor and Polk were also drinking sewage and they too probably got sick from it. Polk was sick and Taylor also died in office. At the time they said it was because he was eating "copious amounts" of cherries and milk on the 4th of July, but it was likely cholera. Important? They'd all be dead by now anyway, wouldn't they?
 
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Is it important? I don't know.
We are in the middle of an election campaign. It's important. When someone with a minor scratch on his ear wants to profit from "stolen valor", he and his handpicked doctor want to spin that to his advantage.

William Henry Harrison and other historical figures, not so much. (OT: when I was a kid, a classmate of mine lived in a huge drafty pile, a great place for Halloween parties, that had once been a staging inn. Harrison slept there on his way to his inauguration. We always thought that might be where he got sick!)
 
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