deirdre
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its good in old age to stretch your brain outside your comfort levels.
ponder on it a bit.
add: you can ponder both really, but i meant ponder my waterfall comment and what i was responding to.
Synchronicity - What's your experience of it?
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ponder on it a bit.
add: you can ponder both really, but i meant ponder my waterfall comment and what i was responding to.
Ann K
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Non sequitur.
GM4AJK
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I pondered it for a bit and decided my next best step is to find out what you're smoking, so I can buy some tooits good in old age to stretch your brain outside your comfort levels.
ponder on it a bit.
deirdre
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Don't give up so easily. You can get this. (although being stoned would likely help you immerse in the thought flow)
Giddierone
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Whatever this is about it has no place or value here.
john.phil
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Hopefully not double meaning (being stoned).
About the off-topic riddle: "I gave you a sense of beauty so you can appreciate what I have done"?
deirdre
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lol to the first observation.
you got the beauty part right, (but without any God stuff). Beauty is something greater than the finite world. Jung may discuss such things as well... meaning what is beauty? why do we perceive beuaty? it's not tangible ie. part of the finite world. it's subjective like synchronicity. can comfort our souls etc.
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deirdre
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maybe you can be more clear then about how people are discussing your topic "wrong". people gave their examples. people bashed on it for pages stating in various ways that it is just coincidence.
so... what part of the topic do you want us discussing? why we psychologically find meaning in the things we find meaning in? How to design a study (even though a hundred years have passed and men in the field havent thought of a way to design a study).
Dave51c
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If not already aware of it, you might be interested to read about Wabi Sabi. It is not classical western beauty.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wabi-sabiExternal Quote:
Regardless for how population numbers are sliced and diced is synchronicity actually a chance event. Isn't that what we are trying to flesh out. Out of the potential 8 Billion recipients for a synchronistic event how many will actually be 'in a state of mind' to perceive it as such if such a state is required in the first place.
Personally, I don't ever remember anything resembling a synchronistic event before my early teens, but I still remember some that followed later in life. Not suggesting there is meaning to any of that but my brain 'placed a weight' against it in memory once I was aware of the experience of such an event. Also, how many synchronistic events didn't even register as such? Why would they not stand out. Where 'conditions' not right.
I've been fairly neutral in my lack of understanding of this topic - I didn't feel the need to invoke a call to a higher power and preferred to stay in the realm of science/philosophy, but I do find hand waving this topic away as pure woo to be a lazy argument. But acknowledge it's a woo adjacent area that can get pretty out there pretty fast.
How the hell anyone could design a valid study into this is unclear. I often wonder if consciously waiting for a synchronistic event collapses the 'chance' of that happening.
GM4AJK
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The point I was trying to make is that we know that many coincidences do happen every day, and occasionally, remarkable coincidences happen:-
The question then becomes, at what point does a simple coincidence turn into a memorable synchronicity event? That conversion (if it is a conversion and not actually a higher power signalling something) takes place in the mind of the observer. Indeed, how would one design/build a study to figure that out? I don't know, but it seems like a challenge to me.External Quote:
Ann K
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One more example, that I had forgotten about: Years ago a friend once told me about the dream she had the night before, about getting an envelope with a black border, signifying a death announcement. She was not in the habit of telling me her dreams, but this troubled her greatly. A week later she got such an announcement when her father died in Germany, but, knowing it would be an expensive trip if she were to return for the funeral, they had waited until after the funeral to tell her. He had actually died on the night she had the dream.
I opined that it was a coincidence, and the dream was probably a result of her worrying about him due to his advanced age. She agreed (and seemed relieved to have a realistic explanation) but it had impressed her strongly since it was such a solemn occasion. I'm sure that most coincidences are quickly forgotten since they concern mundane events, but this seemed momentous to her because of the subject rather than the timing. This is exactly the kind of thing that suggestible people see as being "caused" in some way.
I opined that it was a coincidence, and the dream was probably a result of her worrying about him due to his advanced age. She agreed (and seemed relieved to have a realistic explanation) but it had impressed her strongly since it was such a solemn occasion. I'm sure that most coincidences are quickly forgotten since they concern mundane events, but this seemed momentous to her because of the subject rather than the timing. This is exactly the kind of thing that suggestible people see as being "caused" in some way.
deirdre
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I think that might be [labeled] telepathy, not synchronicity. (or precognition if she dreamed it a bit before he died.. depends on time zones i guess)
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Ann K
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OK, you "think" that. Now prove that telepathy exists.
deirdre
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that's why i mentioned that synchronicity happens all the time and doesn't need necessarily to be a memorable event. Jung is a psychiatrist. Ergo his descriptions are in the context of psychiatry (ie meaning).
It would be much easier to design a study (and way less subjective) if you look at it from the non psychiatric point of view. But it would rely on dedicated self reporters to gather data. A good example would be @Charlie Wiser 's experience. I think the way she is calculating her numbers is wrong.. but if she dedicated to keeping a diary and wrote down everytime it happened over say 3 months when taking notes and what specific words were synchronized, i think there's a chance researchers could agree on what math numbers to use to calculate the odds.
To be honest, over decades of hearing synchronicity stories.. her's is the cleanest example i ever heard of. It's an activity she does often. There's no subjectivity.. ie. either the words match or they don't.
It doesnt really match Jungs definition.. theres no "meaning" derived from the participant, and its not really an external event later matching an internal event...but it is something concrete that has a chance of gathering accurate data.
deirdre
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i didnt say it exists, im saying i dont think that would be an example of synchronicity, i think stories like that are categorized as telepathy.
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