QAnon goes mainstream

Hevach

Senior Member
I'm paywalled on that one, but I assume the NY Post article is basically the same. I like that he says the theory never came up, because saying something directly to Trump would identify him. Talking about it on the internet for months does not identify him, I guess? Deep state liberal satanic pedovores don't read Twitter, but do have the Oval Office under surveillance?

https://nypost.com/2018/08/24/qanon-conspiracy-theorist-meets-trump-at-white-house/

 

Cody M

New Member
There's an article in the Aug. 24th issue of Esquire.com about how belief in QAnon can effect relationships:

The mother of all conspiracy theories disrupts family dynamics and tests loved ones.


Yup. My dad lock, stock, and barrel believes the Qanon posts. Q will come up in conversations every now and then, and I just let my dad talk. The same goes when he brings up chemtrails (I push back a little on that one). When my dad first brought up Q I knew a little because of a friend on Facebook. I usually go to qanonpost.com to keep up with the nonsense. But we've gotten into some pretty heated arguments about conspiracies and how I don't have an open mind and I'm too young to know how things used to be.
 

Z.W. Wolf

Senior Member
In this article could you remove "Q" and insert "flat earth" and get the same picture about what these beliefs do to interpersonal relations. The conspiracy theory mindset is pretty consistent no matter what the subject of the belief system.

You might be a conspiracy theorist if ...

- your theories are unfalsifiable. If disconfirming evidence is presented it is dismissed as faked or otherwise rationalized away. The theory moves farther away from the credible without limit.

- you get angry and contemptuous when confronted with disconfirming evidence. When pressed you get evasive, relentlessly change the subject, hold onto a standard manta, or run away.

- you hold onto zombie beliefs - beliefs which have been explained and disproven over and over and should be dead. E.g. "It's only a theory."

- you never admit a mistake.

- your thinking is based in suspicion. Your default assumption in all situations is that you are being lied to.

- your emotions are primarily negative. Suspicion, anger, disgust, contempt and fear.

- you believe in multiple suspicion-based theories. Crank magnetism.

- you believe in suspicion-based theories which are contradictory. The filling cabinet syndrome.

- you present evidence that some people within a group have lied and use this as proof that all people within that group always lie.

- you have a personal devil. All evil flows from this devil; e.g. the Government, Masons, Jews, Bankers, Democrats.

- you seek any connection between your devil and your suspicion-based theory and use this connection as absolute proof of your theory.

- you aggressively sort people into negative categories: "awake," "sheeple," "evil" and "shills."

- your suspicion-based theories seem all consuming. Will not discuss other subjects and scorn people who are not consumed with these suspicion-based theories. "Sheeple watch their sports and gossip shows on TV."

- you habitually engage in argument by intimidation.

- you habitually engage in sophistry.

- you habitually engage in binary thinking. All true or all false, all good or all evil, for us or against us.

- your devotion to your theory (ies) is behaviorally and psychologically indistinguishable from addiction.
 

Mick West

Administrator
Staff member
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-n...breddits-after-months-violent-threats-n909061
Interesting development. QAnon seems to have grown in part because Reddit is easier to use than 4chan and 8chan. Cutting it off will slow that aspect, but also make the believers feel victimized and angry.
 

Cody M

New Member
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This is from qanonposts.com, and is the latest post. This one is concerning the up coming EAS/WEA test on Sept 20th. I have seen on other websites similar posts about this test and how Trump will use it to disseminate info to the entire population. There have been previous EAS tests, but it looks like this is the first WEA test with a Presidential Alert.


https://www.fema.gov/news-release/2...y-alert-system-be-conducted-september-20-2018

 
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NoParty

Senior Member
I thought Bob Woodward was in charge of 'Presidential Alert' alarms, now...


(apologies in advance...couldn't resist...feel free to scrub)
 

Marin B

Active Member
and it means what? and what does it have to do with an Emergency Alert system?

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and.. isn't that exactly what the EAS is supposed to do?
Yes, when there is information to disseminate. But if it's a test "this is only a test" (preceded and followed by a really horrible sounding noise that you wish would go away as soon as possible).

I wonder what rationale the Q-anon posters will have when the only information Trump disseminates is that for the next 60 seconds there will be a test of the emergency broadcast system?
At some point you would think that the Q-anon people will realize that none of the prophesies of Q ever come true. I know that in my family the arrest of the Obamas, Clintons and Bushes will settle a long standing bet once and for all. But I'm not holding my breath...
 

Z.W. Wolf

Senior Member
Yes, when there is information to disseminate. But if it's a test "this is only a test" (preceded and followed by a really horrible sounding noise that you wish would go away as soon as possible).

I wonder what rationale the Q-anon posters will have when the only information Trump disseminates is that for the next 60 seconds there will be a test of the emergency broadcast system?
At some point you would think that the Q-anon people will realize that none of the prophesies of Q ever come true. I know that in my family the arrest of the Obamas, Clintons and Bushes will settle a long standing bet once and for all. But I'm not holding my breath...
...your theories are unfalsifiable. If disconfirming evidence is presented it is dismissed as faked or otherwise rationalized away. The theory moves farther away from the credible without limit.


It will be rationalized away. Some probable rationalizations:

1. Human error. This particular prediction was in error.
A. This prediction didn't really come from The Q.
B. Q's message was misinterpreted.
C. A rare instance in which Q was wrong. He's only human after all.

2. Change of plan. Trump realized this wasn't the right time.
A. The plan was recalculated and fine tuned.
B. Something happened to make him redefine the plan.

3. Enemies within the Deep State (the personal devil) successfully blocked this particular part of the Trump Plan. They are very powerful.

4. This particular prediction was a fake prediction planted by The Deep State to discredit Q.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails#Premise_of_study


http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2011/05/prophecy_fail.html
When Prophecy Fails.
Deuteronomy 18:21-22
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2011/05/prophecy_fail.html
When Prophecy Fails.


Odd or dysfunctional thinking or mental illness is often based in normal traits which are exaggerated.

A general warning: Don't confuse religious or fringe beliefs with Conspiracy Theories.

Religious prophecies are a belief system based in a mind set in which the traits of System 1* thinking and rationalization are exaggerated, while aggression based suspicion may are may not be.

Belief in UFO's, Atlantis, Bigfoot, Alternative Medicine etc. does not necessarily include aggression based suspicion.

A Conspiracy Theory (with the Capital Letters) is a part of a complex and interwoven belief system based in Inter-Group Aggression, in which the traits of suspicion, System 1 thinking, and rationalization are exaggerated.


Inter-Group aggression is on the rise in many places, not just the US. Otherwise known as authoritarianism.




*System 1 thinking. MetaBunk link to one of my posts: Review: Flat Earth - The History of an Infamous Idea - Christine Garwood

"...the concept of intuitive thought and analytical thought. I'm once again going to point to this review of Daniel Kahneman's book Thinking, Fast and Slow:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/27/b...-and-slow-by-daniel-kahneman-book-review.html

Kahneman describes two different ways the brain forms thoughts:

System 1: Fast, automatic, frequent, emotional, stereotypic, subconscious.

System 2: Slow, effortful, infrequent, logical, calculating, conscious.

These are technical terms which I often refer to as intuitive thought and analytical thought."
 
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Z.W. Wolf

Senior Member
I wonder what rationale the Q-anon posters will have when the only information Trump disseminates is that for the next 60 seconds there will be a test of the emergency broadcast system?
At some point you would think that the Q-anon people will realize that none of the prophesies of Q ever come true. I know that in my family the arrest of the Obamas, Clintons and Bushes will settle a long standing bet once and for all. But I'm not holding my breath...
Today was the day.
 

LDavid47

New Member
Can someone tell me what these Q'anon conspiracies posts are? I find it hard to get any objective information on what the site actually contends..
 

Marin B

Active Member
Today was the day.
Here's an article reporting on their reaction to the emergency alert text:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/qanon...ert-test-see-it-as-a-step-towards-martial-law

 

Landru

Moderator
Staff member
Here's an article reporting on their reaction to the emergency alert text:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/qanon...ert-test-see-it-as-a-step-towards-martial-law

Rod Rosenstein didn't get fired or step down. Red October did not happen. It was a test that was delayed due to Hurricane Florence. BTW, Qanon is still not the new Tea Party.
 

Marin B

Active Member
A Google News search for Qanon brings up several hits for this month.

A Guardian opinion piece talks about its spread into Europe:
Stop the online conspiracy theorists before they break democracy
I found this article particularly interesting because (1), it was mildly reassuring to me that the person who introduced me to the conspiracy theorist mindset isn't alone in believing stuff like:
and (2), that this problem is recognized and efforts are being made to address it:
The Washington Post posted a video yesterday, How QAnon, the bizarre pro-Trump conspiracy theory, took hold in right-wing circles online, which is in essence a Qanon 101 tutorial. Abby Ohlheiser, who covers digital culture for WP, reported: "
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NBC has an article from Feb 2nd: Russian troll accounts purged by Twitter pushed Qanon and other conspiracy theories:

 
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