Psionic Contact with UFOs near Skinwalker Ranch

Here is the sitrec, it covers the latter portion of the realtime clip from "The Good Trouble Show", this is the portion of video after a slight cut in the original video at around 43 seconds in.

https://www.metabunk.org/sitrec/?custom=https://sitrec.s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/11433/bat sat 3 rt without cut/20251202_133417.js

You may have to click "Load LEO satellites for date" under the Satellites menu as Sitrec does not seem to be doing this for new link opens at the moment..
Great work! Can you try just saving it again after loading the satellites. That seemed to work for me. Your sitch seems like it did not save the satellites. I suspect a deeper problem.

I just tried it, and it seemed to save fine.
https://www.metabunk.org/sitrec/?cu...s.com/1/missing_sats_maybe/20251202_172823.js
 
Simulation of Starlink flares is not an exact science and so the sim and the video are not a 100% match for every sat, some Starlinks are classified (https://www.spacex.com/starshield) and thus there are no TLE's for them, but this doesn't stop them showing up in videos. Also some sats show as being flares in sitrec but don't show in the video, there is a variety of reasons for this, but it all comes down to the model and reality not always quite matching up, Mick might be able to add more here.

While not perfect, it's unambiguously the right time and satellites.

As you say, there's a variety of reasons. Probably a combination of imperfect data, imperfectly oriented satellites, limits to extrapolating, and maybe some issues with my code and the simple spherical model of the Earth that is used in some part.
 
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With the real time sync confirmed I was able to timestamp 2 distinct crossing events and extract timestamps and compare to frames of the 'full' time lapse video

This indicates a 10x speed-up from reality, 9.95 seems to work best in sitrec with the video I got from Twitter, frame rates adjustments etc on time-lapses can be tricky, we are getting a third hand video.

https://www.metabunk.org/sitrec/?cu...m/11433/Bat full timelapse/20251204_093050.js

You can see the full event conforms to predicted star link sat positions.
 
Bob has weighed in again with his rejection of the starlink explanation for the psionic orbs. He seems to think his software is superior to Sitrec and uses the "PROPER orbital elements". I don't know what his issue is with the Elsets that sitrec users but I'm pretty sure they're the same ones and from the same source Celestrak.
I looked at his code, and I think he just uses the "active" live group on Celestrak,
https://github.com/n4hy/VisibleEphemerisCPP
https://celestrak.org/NORAD/elements/gp.php?GROUP=active&FORMAT=tle

I added an Ephemeris (table) to Sitrec (under show/hide->celestial), and my output matches his:

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All he's doing is checking if satellites are visible and are in sunlight. The table is sorted by elevation (so 90° means directly overhead). He does not seem to be checking for horizon flares (which have a very low elevation)
 
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He made a comment on twitter about judging how bright satellites are and this is why he thought there were zero instances of multiple objects being easily visible at the same time, but there's no code in there to compute a flaring region. I also don't see anything about determining the raw brightness magnitudes either (excluding 'flaring'). It's just visible or not. From the latest `main` commit:
https://github.com/n4hy/VisibleEphe...3c649dfb2b3f0c96da/src/visibility.cpp#L31-L40

The TLE downloaded:
https://github.com/n4hy/VisibleEphe...b83c649dfb2b3f0c96da/src/tle_manager.cpp#L195
 
He made a comment on twitter about judging how bright satellites are and this is why he thought there were zero instances of multiple objects being easily visible at the same time, but there's no code in there to compute a flaring region. I also don't see anything about determining the raw brightness magnitudes either (excluding 'flaring'). It's just visible or not. From the latest `main` commit:
https://github.com/n4hy/VisibleEphe...3c649dfb2b3f0c96da/src/visibility.cpp#L31-L40
I have to admit here, I find the visibility code difficult to read. I need to study it more. The "standard" generally comes from Dr T.S. Kelso's Visually Observing Earth Satellites Volume 3.

Here's "Bobs code" @Kyle Ferriter links to:-
C++:
VisibilityCalculator::State VisibilityCalculator::calculateState(const Vector3& sat, const Vector3& obs, const TimePoint& t, double el) {
        Vector3 sun = getSunPositionECI(t);
        double umbra = std::asin(EARTH_RADIUS_KM / sat.magnitude());
        double angle = std::acos(sat.normalize().dot(sun.normalize()));
        bool lit = (angle < (PI/2.0)) || ((PI - angle) >= umbra);
        if (!lit) return State::ECLIPSED;
        double sun_el = (PI/2.0) - std::acos(obs.normalize().dot(sun.normalize()));
        if (sun_el < (-6.0 * DEG2RAD)) return State::VISIBLE;
        return State::DAYLIGHT;
    }

And, here's my code from my Orbs Hunter program that uses Dr Kelso's publication, which I've never had a problem with (and incidentally is the same one used in Stellarium's satellites plugin)

JavaScript:
/**
 * getEclipseStatus
 * Rference: https://celestrak.org/columns/v03n01/
 * @param satposRaw satellite.EciVec3<number>
 * @param sunposRaw satellite.EciVec3<number>
 * @returns EclipseStatus
 */
function getEclipseStatus(
    satposRaw: satellite.EciVec3<number>,
    sunposRaw: satellite.EciVec3<number>
): EclipseStatus {
    const earthRadius = 6371.0;   // km, no scene scaling
    const sunRadius   = 695700.0; // km, no scene scaling
    const satpos = new EciVecOps(satposRaw);
    const sunpos = new EciVecOps(sunposRaw);
    const dEarth = satpos.length();
    const dSun   = sunpos.subtract(satposRaw).length();
    const theta_e = Math.asin(Math.min(1, earthRadius / dEarth));
    const theta_s = Math.asin(Math.min(1, sunRadius   / dSun));
    const dirEarth = satpos.negate().normalize();              // satellite to Earth
    const dirSun   = sunpos.subtract(satposRaw).normalize();   // satellite to Sun
    const cosTheta = Math.max(-1, Math.min(1, dirEarth.dot(dirSun)));
    const theta = Math.acos(cosTheta);
    if (theta <= theta_e - theta_s) {
        return "UMBRA"; // Earth fully covers Sun center
    }
    if (theta < theta_e + theta_s) {
        return "PENUMBRA"; // partial overlap
    }
    return "SUNLIT";
}
 
I have to admit here, I find the visibility code difficult to read. I need to study it more. The "standard" generally comes from Dr T.S. Kelso's Visually Observing Earth Satellites Volume 3.

Here's "Bobs code" @Kyle Ferriter links to:-
That's not visibility code, it's illumination code. It checks to see if the angular distance of the sat from the sun is bigger than the angular size of the shadow (or if it's on the sunny side), then checks if the sun has set. It's assuming the sat is above the horizon that point, with:

C++:
                if (r.el < 0) {
                    color = 4; // RED
                    state_str = "HOR";
                } else {
                    if (r.state == VisibilityCalculator::State::VISIBLE) { state_str = "VIS"; color=1; }
                    else if (r.state == VisibilityCalculator::State::DAYLIGHT) { state_str = "DAY"; color=2; }
                    else if (r.state == VisibilityCalculator::State::ECLIPSED) { state_str = "ECL"; color=3; }
                }


(r.el < 0) is a simple check if the elevation (vertical angle) is less than 0 (below the horizon if viewed from sea level, minor issues for aerial observations)
 
That's not visibility code, it's illumination code.
Yup, with no concept of "reflection", despite Bob's "It is" in the "BobMcGwier_N4HY" xitter thread linked to above and your gentle "So why didn't you detect those Starlink satellites?" probe which is currently unanswered. Does someone want to reach out to Alpha Phoenix, the guy who made the 2020 youtube vid (id aWpeN3cU17Q) which Bob is using (in the "MickWest" xitter thread linked to above) to support his view that there are no specular reflections from flat-bottomed satellites, he still seems vaguely active on YT? He seems to be smart enough to understand the corner case of the grazing angle instantly. It seems he's prepared to add corrections to his video descriptions, as he's added one already about livability altitudes.

[EDIT: and he's definitely live on reddit: https://old.reddit.com/user/Alpha-Phoenix/ ]
 
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That's not visibility code, it's illumination code.
True, but you can't see it unless it's sunlit. In the sat community, it's long been debated what could be expected visibility-wise, and RCS has been tried before and found to be an unreliable indicator of expected visibility. Seems more like you have to actually observe and record them
 
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Bob McGwier has joined the debate and asserts that there would not be multiple satellites visible at the same time, thus proving that the video must show things other than satellites. McGwier is a science advisor to Skywatcher (thus a colleague of Battista and "J2") and frequently promotes other very low-quality UFO content including clear videos of airplanes and satellites. He does have academic and professional experience in this domain, which he cites, including here.

But this seems incorrect. As Sitrec shows, and even Stellarium, which isn't as aware of "flaring satellites", confirms the simultaneous presence of numerous lit satellites in the region of sky in question. McGwier has a code project (https://github.com/n4hy/VisibleEphemerisCPP) he linked to which he is maybe basing this conclusion on. At a glance, it includes some math to calculate satellites which are lit by the sun while the observer is in darkness, but I think something has gone wrong somewhere leading him to think there are far fewer than there actually are. I haven't reviewed the code but maybe he is underestimating how bright "flaring satellites" appear. Or has the brightness or angle filters too constrained.


Source: https://x.com/BobMcGwier_N4HY/status/1995357839162757603

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I'm a bad investigator, I missed that Bob incidentally here gave us the date by saying October and not November and given the dates in question were 31 Oct and 1 Nov, this narrowed it down to the actual day.

Luckily it was Oct so I didn't have to watch 2 days of Starlink..
 
One simple check on anyone's ability to summon orbs via psionics would be to return to the site on multiple days when that person is NOT present and observe how many 'orbs' are visible. If the number observed is in the same range as when they are 'summoning' then their summoning is not having any effect.
 
One simple check on anyone's ability to summon orbs via psionics would be to return to the site on multiple days when that person is NOT present and observe how many 'orbs' are visible. If the number observed is in the same range as when they are 'summoning' then their summoning is not having any effect.
There's a risk there, as satellite visiblity can vary with the weather and the time of year (different position of the sun)
 

Source: https://youtu.be/hb8GecZUKzQ?t=1388


Here Mr. Battista says they were outside the window (I assume provided by Bob McGwier) for satellites.

Later Matt Ford focuses on these orbs that join

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Source: https://youtu.be/hb8GecZUKzQ?t=1471


But we KNOW that these orbs are flares of Starlink satellites SL-32682 and SL-32170 because we sync'd the video to show they match exactly.

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Perhaps an @Mick West video would help Matt, Bob and Michael out and stop them wasting more time.
 
Yup, with no concept of "reflection", despite Bob's "It is" in the "BobMcGwier_N4HY" xitter thread linked to above and your gentle "So why didn't you detect those Starlink satellites?" probe which is currently unanswered. Does someone want to reach out to Alpha Phoenix, the guy who made the 2020 youtube vid (id aWpeN3cU17Q) which Bob is using (in the "MickWest" xitter thread linked to above) to support his view that there are no specular reflections from flat-bottomed satellites, he still seems vaguely active on YT? He seems to be smart enough to understand the corner case of the grazing angle instantly. It seems he's prepared to add corrections to his video descriptions, as he's added one already about livability altitudes.
That guy looks like a young me, garage and all :)

In his (five year-old) video at 11:00 he says a glancing reflection would miss the Earth's surface.
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Which is kind of what I thought years ago, when we only had reports of horizon flares from planes, and Sitrec was but a gimble in my eye.

But ground proof quickly showed that it was possible, and quite common to see them from the ground, with atmospheric refraction, the size of the sun, imperfect alignment, the oblateness of Earth, and beam spread all being contributing (and confounding) factors.
 
I bet they are fully relying on 'Science' Bob and I bet he never even bothered looking at the recreation, doubling down on this one is an odd choice.
 
I bet they are fully relying on 'Science' Bob and I bet he never even bothered looking at the recreation, doubling down on this one is an odd choice.
I think Bob went with his initial analysis using the tool he developed, which didn't simulate flares because he wasn't really aware of how they worked. Now I think he's got a better idea and will hopefully update his software.
 
I just don't know how you can argue with a recreation that shows the movements of satellites that match exactly the orbs you saw.

I guess by just ignoring it
i guess it's a mix of a number of reasons - they're suspicious of anything Mick does to identify UAPs, but aren't sufficiently knowledgeable to inspect the open-source code. Sitrec can be tricky to use, so they're not willing to spend the time is setting it up for their location, date, time and independently checking their videos. Also the software uses NORAD orbital data, which is a US Government organisation and therefore is also part of the cover up. The software won't show the orbs responding to the telepathic requests from the psionic assets - so it doesn't reflect their reality.

It's not so much of a 'head in the sand' argument, more a 'head in the clouds' one.
 
Bob wasn't entirely unreasonable.

Here Matt shows what he thinks is an example of what I would call Starlink flares.

Bob tells them that the video actually does show Starlink flares. Which somewhat contradicts the title of the video: "Scientist PROVES Mick West Wrong: It's Not Starlink"

 
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