Photoshopped "chemtrail" images on Geoengineeringwatch.org

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Trailblazer

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And the blurb for the photo says:
I went to university in Sheffield, and lived approximately three and a half miles from that reservoir. I can confirm that Sheffield is definitely not "where rain is most needed".
 

deirdre

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@Mick West youre being very generous, i dont think that middle one has any contrails at all. at least none i can see in that little pic.

but yea he used a pretty impressive pic from barcelona (----edit, mistake year----) too, which i do think is real.. but out of hundreds of photos from tourists i couldnt even find one other at that angle with a contrail in it.

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my favorite though is this one.. which apparently is what will happen to you if you breathe in a contrail.
 

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Mick West

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but yea he used a pretty impressive pic from barcelona (pre 2010) too, which i do think is real.. but out of hundreds of photos from tourists i couldnt even find one other at that angle with a contrail in it.

That photo is from this article, which quite clearly says they are contrails.
http://www.lavanguardia.com/medio-ambiente/20121119/54354620686/nuves-artificiales-mas-frecuentes-trafico-aereo.html
 

PCWilliams

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It is disturbing that photoshopping is considered morally acceptable by the leaders of the Conspiracy. They feel it is perfectly justified because their mission to awaken the masses to their religion is more important than strict adherence to the truth. What a slippery slope we are seeing they are willing to slide down without a second thought.
The ends justify the means.
 

NoParty

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The ends justify the means.
Which is, of course, precisely what the "chemtrail" crowd angrily accuses the establishment of :rolleyes:
(poisoning us with aluminum, etc., in an attempt to curb global warming...well...that's a frequently asserted "motive")
 

Chew

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Did anybody archive all those pages with the manipulated photos and if so, can you post them all?
 

skephu

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The Sheffield reservoir pic was copyrighted, used without permission, and the photographer asked him to take it down.
Oh, apparently this new one is also copyrighted (thanks to the moderator who added it to my post).
Then Dane isn't reading us? I'm disappointed...
 

Trailblazer

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Oh, apparently this new one is also copyrighted (thanks to the moderator who added it to my post).
Then Dane isn't reading us? I'm disappointed...
Dane may have a Shutterstock licence. He uses quite a few pics from there. I don't think they are very expensive.
 

keefe

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my favorite though is this one.. which apparently is what will happen to you if you breathe in a contrail.
Following that link I noticed this - http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/did-geoengineering-just-kill-almost-200000-alpacas-in-peru/ - looks like more photoshopping there, unless maccu picchu is under a main air route ...

Anyone care to find out whether 200,000 alpacas have died in Peru? And if so why? I have a feeling geoengineering would not be the cause
 
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Trailspotter

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Following that link I noticed this - http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/did-geoengineering-just-kill-almost-200000-alpacas-in-peru/ - looks like more photoshopping there, unless maccu picchu is under a main air route ...
No, it is a real image showing natural cirrus clouds.

They are quite similar in appearance to the images of natural cirrus clouds over the Andes I posted here:
https://www.metabunk.org/are-there-any-anti-contrail-groups.t4606/page-8#post-161121
 

Jay Reynolds

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[QUOTE="keefe, post: 161965, member: 1296"/quote]
Anyone care to find out whether 200,000 alpacas have died in Peru? And if so why? I have a feeling geoengineering would not be the cause[/QUOTE]

News from South America is sometimes sketchy due to translation. If you notice, Dane claims 3 incidents, but when you get to the news it isn't always what he says:

2011:
2013:
2015:
 

Mick West

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I spent a week in Peru and did not see a single contrail, or even a high altitude plane. And I was looking. Interesting clouds were not uncommon though. These were over Cusco.
 

skephu

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2015:
Content from external source Snow killed more than two thousand alpacas in Puno
Sandia Regarding the outlook is not very encouraging as a result of the heavy snowfalls approximately 2000 animals from alpacas and others died, among the most affected districts include Cuyo Cuyo, Limbani, and other uptown.
http://diariocorreo.pe/ciudad/nevadas-mataron-a-mas-de-dos-mil-alpacas-en-puno-600676/
This article reports that more than 171,000 alpacas died:
http://elcomercio.pe/peru/pais/puno-mas-171000-alpacas-murieron-debido-al-frio-extremo-noticia-1825249
Google translate:
 

Balance

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Co-incidentally, I noticed a lot of (paralleled) "contrail looking" cirrus in the sky yeterday making up a visible weather-front but also noticed all aircraft (except one exciting and crossing through the weather-front at right angles) were not producing any contrails at all.
 

deirdre

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It's very easy to find copies on the web without a watermark.
thats what i'm thinking. his Herndonan article pic is actually a video which is 6 credits. thats 60 bucks for one snip/pic. seems pricey when there are plenty of free pics online. Plus how much cooler would it be if he could embed the full video?
http://www.istockphoto.com/video/smog-pollution-steam-fog-smoke-factory-industry-business-background-33370378

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of course it is possible he has a license but kinda weird his snip is the exact second of the advert freezeframe above. who knows...
 

LouV

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Oh for Christ's sake...
Off topic, sorry, but I have to react to this :
No, provoked urine testing (= "chelation protocal (sic) done before the test") is a bogus procedure used to make people believe they have high levels of metals in their blood, in order to encourage to do more chelation / detox.
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Tests/urine_toxic.html
(I had already heard of this because my work involves working with autistic people, who are often subjected to this bogus chelation therapy because of these fake tests.)
 

Gary Cook

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Are they pretending the photos are real or just using them for art to illustrate the them of the conference etc?

As for copyright. Thats an issue for another forum I think. There is a big difference between LEGAL and LAWFUL and MORALS.

[Hey if nothing else I am good for making a convo even more interesting]
 
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Spectrar Ghost

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Are they pretending the photos are real or just using them for art to illustrate the them of the conference etc?

As for copyright. Thats an issue for another forum I think. There is a big difference between LEGAL and LAWFUL and MORALS.
I'd say unless they caption the pictures as composite images they are de facto pretending they are real, no?

This is a small and relatively inconsequential deception, but little crimes lead to big crimes. That this deception can be made so unthinkingly and ubiquitously points to there being larger and more consequential deceptions going on. It calls into question Dane's morals.

I for one would capture every incriminating chemtrail photo I could in his shoes, but I would never manufacture them (if I thought of it at all), because I understand that would create the question of what other evidence was manipulated to look like something it was not.
 

Gary Cook

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I'd say unless they caption the pictures as composite images they are de facto pretending they are real, no?

This is a small and relatively inconsequential deception, but little crimes lead to big crimes. That this deception can be made so unthinkingly and ubiquitously points to there being larger and more consequential deceptions going on. It calls into question Dane's morals.

I for one would capture every incriminating chemtrail photo I could in his shoes, but I would never manufacture them (if I thought of it at all), because I understand that would create the question of what other evidence was manipulated to look like something it was not.
I get your point but at the same time one of them is even replete with skulls. That is a bit manipulative for sure but quite common in marketing - that form of photo editing.

I am pretty sure few if any saw them and thought they were real pictures.

Anyway, its impressive work [this thread] so I am not knocking the debunking and the work that went in to it. =)
 
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JRBids

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I for one would capture every incriminating chemtrail photo I could in his shoes, but I would never manufacture them (if I thought of it at all), because I understand that would create the question of what other evidence was manipulated to look like something it was not.
Judging from the conversations on threads when someone posts a photo or video that has already been shown to be false, it doesn't matter. If it "wakes someone up", it's all good. The ends justify the means.
 

Gary Cook

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Judging from the conversations on threads when someone posts a photo or video that has already been shown to be false, it doesn't matter. If it "wakes someone up", it's all good. The ends justify the means.
Well, that is wrong. That prob why I am not that big in conspiracy circles now. I am too honest. =)
 

Spectrar Ghost

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Judging from the conversations on threads when someone posts a photo or video that has already been shown to be false, it doesn't matter. If it "wakes someone up", it's all good. The ends justify the means.
Which is more or less exactly the point. When the ends justify the means morals (and objectivity) go right out the window. Anything is justifiable in support of the axiomatic truth. Whether that axiom is actually the truth at all is no longer examined.
 
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