Photos of Street After Impact, Before Collapse, Possible Passport

Mick West

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[Thread Split from: https://www.metabunk.org/threads/account-of-satam-passport-discovery-by-rich-wozniak.2887/ ]

(Via post on ATS: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread990280/pg19#pid17387467) which also has a photo of what seems to be the passport on the ground.

Photo of street showing possible passport:


And other photos taken before the towers fell, at around the time the passport was supposedly picked up.





http://archive.org/stream/nistreview-ChrisSorensen#page
50MB file with all Sorensen images: https://ia600707.us.archive.org/10/...sSorensen/nistreview-ChrisSorensen_images.zip


Zoom of "passport" in the above image:
 
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Mick West

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The photos are digital images, taken using a Canon S100, 2001 model. The images in the zip file appear to be mostly unretouched raw copies.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,13980,00.asp

Exif checks out, except date is 12 hours off, likely due to incorrect AM/PM


Date Time: Sep 10, 2001, 8:56:39 PM
Make: Canon
Model: Canon PowerShot S100
Orientation: 1 (Normal)
Resolution Unit: inches
X Resolution: 180
Y Resolution: 180

Pixel X Dimension: 1,600
Pixel Y Dimension: 1,200

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Alienentity

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I downloaded the zip file, haven't seen these before. It's interesting that while a few pieces of debris are burning, most of the papers are completely unburned.
I agree that appears to be a passport in the upper part of the photo.
Does anyone see that object in the middle as a CD jacket?

I guess the only way to tell whether an object came from flight 11 or the office tower is to examine it for details. Presumably much of this stuff got thrown away except for the important items.
 

Pete Tar

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The objects that may have come from the plane would not have been preserved or picked up unless they distinguished themselves as worth picking up - and then the towers came down. So yes the passport passed the random-object eye test, there can be no determination that nothing else of plane-origin survived relatively unscathed, because other things were less likely to have been collected in the brief period before the towers came down.
 

Mick West

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I downloaded the zip file, haven't seen these before. It's interesting that while a few pieces of debris are burning, most of the papers are completely unburned.
I agree that appears to be a passport in the upper part of the photo.
Does anyone see that object in the middle as a CD jacket?

I guess the only way to tell whether an object came from flight 11 or the office tower is to examine it for details. Presumably much of this stuff got thrown away except for the important items.

The object in the middle is a cardboard CD holder with the CD still in it.

I think inevitably the majority of objects on the street will come from the buildings, not from the planes.
 

Josh Heuer

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In regards to the picture in the OP,
  • How do we know for sure that's not something else, like a checkbook?
  • Assuming it is a passport, how could that be proven to be Saqari's passport? It lacks detail.
 
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Pete Tar

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In regards to the picture in the OP,
  • How do we know for sure that's not something else, like a checkbook?
  • Assuming it is a passport, how could that be proven to be Saqari's passport? It lacks detail.
...

We don't, and it (probably) couldn't be. It is however evidence to be considered and acknowledged, although flimsy.
I am unable to access the original page to see why it was claimed the photo was of the passport, it doesn't load for me.
 

Alienentity

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We don't, and it (probably) couldn't be. It is however evidence to be considered and acknowledged, although flimsy.
I am unable to access the original page to see why it was claimed the photo was of the passport, it doesn't load for me.
Well thanks for posting it anyway. It's a very important picture.
 

Alienentity

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I've sent a query to Chris Sorensen asking him about the objects and whether he recalls whether it was a passport or bankbook or something else. Will let you know if he replies.
 

Mick West

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Here's an "enhanced" crop of the booklet:


Look like possibly some writing in there. Compare with the actual passport:


Coloration not too far off, but really impossible to tell.
 

Josh Heuer

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One thing I noticed immediately is the edges of the paper seem more sharp (they appear to come to a point) like normal paper, whereas the passport has very rounded edges.

This makes me lean towards it not being a passport but then again with the quality it's not a good idea to jump to that conclusion yet.
 

Pete Tar

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good point.

I'm not sure why the photo was linked to it being the passport, but that's how it was in the original ATS post, so I included it.
 

Alienentity

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Reply from Chris Sorensen:
I do not remember specifics about that photo, so I do not know if it is a passport. Regarding the debris, there was both burned and unburned debris on the street as this and other pix of mine show. The pic was taken on Greenwich Street, south of Liberty, probably close to where Thames St. intersects from the east. This pic was taken after the first plane, but before the second as my girlfriend at the time and I walked up from our apartment at 88 Greenwich.

Regarding the Wozniak claims in the Metabunk post, after the first plane hit, there were not seats and engine parts or body parts everywhere on Greenwich, Liberty, or Church Streets. We saw none of that. Mainly paper debris. And there were not 1000s of people pouring out of WTC. The other pix of mine that show tens or maybe hundreds of people coming out is what it was like when I was there after the first and before the second plane hit.

And I was there when the second plane hit as you can see from my other pix in the NIST file. I was located on Church Street between One Liberty Plaza and WTC. After the crash, we made our way back to 88 Greenwich. And again, we did not see body parts, plane parts or seats. We were south rather than north of WTC, so I can't say for sure what might've been north along the path of the second jet, but south of the towers we did not see what Wozniak claims.

So, I think it's possible for a document to have survived unburned from the building, but I saw nothing that came clearly from the plane. All the debris we saw looked like it came from the building. As someone who was there minutes after the first plane hit and for the second plane and subsequent collapses, to me the rest of Wozniak's story sounds exaggerated and aggrandized.
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Mick West

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Very interesting. Although Wozniak's claims are all after the second plane hitting, not the first. Still, I agree with his assessment.
 

Josh Heuer

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So if Chris Sorenson's memory serves him,
The pic was taken on Greenwich Street, south of Liberty, probably close to where Thames St. intersects from the east.
That would be almost 2 blocks south of where Rich Wozniak said he picked up the passport. I think we can safely say, apart from it not really resembling the passport, that the shot wasn't in the correct location either, so it's almost certainly not it.
Probably an American passport (similar sharp edges) or checkbook.
 

Alienentity

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So if Chris Sorenson's memory serves him,

That would be almost 2 blocks south of where Rich Wozniak said he picked up the passport. I think we can safely say, apart from it not really resembling the passport, that the shot wasn't in the correct location either, so it's almost certainly not it.
Probably an American passport (similar sharp edges) or checkbook.
I'd have to agree with you. I don't have access to any of that sci-fi software they always seem to have on TV which can blow up and clarify a picture. It would still be interesting to enhance it for identification.
 
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