Z.W. Wolf
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This looks like a body scavenged by piranha.
Some examples:
I can't explain why they strip some parts to the bone and leave others. But it seems consistent that they leave parts of the scalp.
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Needs Debunking - Recent New Case: "UFOs & Entities Attack Residents" Loreto, Peru
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Some examples:
I can't explain why they strip some parts to the bone and leave others. But it seems consistent that they leave parts of the scalp.
gabelewis
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My highest ranked item in terms of plausibility:
A combination of all of the above, which by nature includes the mining gangs, but not necessarily the Jet Packs. It's a large number of incidents, many of them are; through lack of evidence, rumours.
(I've provided evidence for example, that the miners are responsible for terrorising the local population. Very plausible that normal non-jet pack terror was misreported etc.) So I both agree and disagree with your ranking, respectfully. It's not necessary to force a single explanation.
And to be clear, it's not me positing the Jet Pack theory - I'm gathering information that might support what Peruvian investigators are saying.
If the theory has been posited by the official body in charge of investigating it, seems like it's worth looking at.
The additional information I'm adding is intended to explore the plausibility of Jet Packs being involved, and how that could happen. None of it is direct evidence, just showing that the technology exists, and it's at least partially falsifiable as a theory.
The media is reporting quotes from a Radio interview with Prosecutor Carlos Castro Quintanilla. Unfortunately, the authorities haven't released their evidence. But we also do not yet have evidence that they are naive debunkers who jumped to conclusions based on rumours and tabloid reporting.
Definitely not convinced this is the winner in terms of debunking or explaining the situation, but these are the claims being made. There's a lot of daylight between "completely mundane" - and "prosaic, but extremely novel." Hopefully more evidence is made public related to their investigation - but it's absolutely possible this is just the authorities throwing up their hands and trying to explain the rumours they're hearing.
gabelewis
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I don't necessarily think this *was* a UFO investigation. Villagers claimed they were attacked and wounded. I would imagine finding a suspect for that crime was the main reason for the inquiry.
Unfortunately, there isn't much detail about what evidence was gathered when the Navy and other investigators visited the site. However, in the Peruvian media interview with the Prosecutor, they mention that the Peruvian Navy had clashed with illegal minors the weekend prior, and raided their operations: https://rpp.pe/peru/actualidad/lore...ion-de-seres-extranos-noticia-1499270?ref=rpp [translated quote below:]
It's not clear if this was related to the recent attack or just a skirmish that led to raiding.
The Prosecutor, however, seems to imply he has *some* reason to make this claim, but it's still fuzzy as to what evidence he may or may not have.
Source: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/science...tually-illegal-gold-mining-gang-JETPACKS.html
I suppose if they just found the jet packs he could easily make this claim. If he's just extrapolating based on interviews then it's more or less dead as a verifiable theory.
As Loreto's environmental crime watchdog, Quintanilla told the outlet that he suspects these illegal gold miners may have first used the jetpacks to explore deeper into the dense Peruvian jungle for promising new riverbed gold deposits.
'We have investigated that these gentlemen would be using this suit to reach those places,' he said.
From the same article, NASA image of gold pits from space:
Worth remembering that "illegal miners" in this case is shorthand for a triad of major cartels. It's not just some local criminals. I have no doubt this is plausible financially given the figures I posted earlier - but it still lacks accessible evidence to back it up.
They absolutely could afford it, but I have no idea whether this makes sense to anyone who knows the geography better.
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DefinitelyHuman
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Rony Vernet has posted this video, captioned: "I'm in contact with Ikitu people at San Antonio de Pintuyacu and they asked to share this video showing a protest against prosecutor Carlos Quintanilla who never went there, but said it was only 'illegal miners using jetpacks'."
Video shows people from the village (although I didn't find another source for this but I don't see a reason to dispute it) with signs, lined up for the camera. This is what the subtitles say is being said: "[...] Who arrived here was the police only to record testimonies about what happened at that event that afternoon which happened with the lady, but others, let's say the prosecutor, have not come here
no public prosecutor has come to the community. But we strongly ask authorities, to the prosecution to intervene in this situation that we are going through so can see themselves and verify what's happening with us here at the community. And also they can bring their implements to be able to fly over the community at night so that they themselves can verify. because some community members are asking for help from an NGO here but they can only support during the day, I don't know very well. The day no, there is no issues over the community, the problems happen at night. And for that I ask them to come visit our community, bring journalists so they can share better information. [...]"
So it sounds whatever was happening to them is still happening and they don't feel like they are getting help or that this is properly investigated. Unclear if that is what all the people there think though, there's 16 people in this video.
Then there's another new Tweet by Vernet with a video where two villagers talk about a sighting, where according to the subtitles they saw a light go past at about 300 to 600 ft, then something like the silhouette of a person flying at about 20 ft, all silently. The silhouette descended on the beach and the light went out. The two villagers followed and shot at it but it was too far away. In the video you see the sky light up while they are talking, looks like far away lightning to me. In the beginning of the video, the cameraman makes it clear this video is for national and international media.
Video shows people from the village (although I didn't find another source for this but I don't see a reason to dispute it) with signs, lined up for the camera. This is what the subtitles say is being said: "[...] Who arrived here was the police only to record testimonies about what happened at that event that afternoon which happened with the lady, but others, let's say the prosecutor, have not come here
no public prosecutor has come to the community. But we strongly ask authorities, to the prosecution to intervene in this situation that we are going through so can see themselves and verify what's happening with us here at the community. And also they can bring their implements to be able to fly over the community at night so that they themselves can verify. because some community members are asking for help from an NGO here but they can only support during the day, I don't know very well. The day no, there is no issues over the community, the problems happen at night. And for that I ask them to come visit our community, bring journalists so they can share better information. [...]"
So it sounds whatever was happening to them is still happening and they don't feel like they are getting help or that this is properly investigated. Unclear if that is what all the people there think though, there's 16 people in this video.
Then there's another new Tweet by Vernet with a video where two villagers talk about a sighting, where according to the subtitles they saw a light go past at about 300 to 600 ft, then something like the silhouette of a person flying at about 20 ft, all silently. The silhouette descended on the beach and the light went out. The two villagers followed and shot at it but it was too far away. In the video you see the sky light up while they are talking, looks like far away lightning to me. In the beginning of the video, the cameraman makes it clear this video is for national and international media.
I was hoping someone else also thought of this classic video
gabelewis
Member
Must we quote the entire body of that long post to repeat the Predator joke @Cogg84?
However, reviewing this person's profile and posts:
1. He is a UFO advocate
2. He was planning to visit, but "couldn't raise" the funds for the trip
Source: https://twitter.com/RonyVernet/status/1695903185355907353
Not saying he's lying, but I would love to have this corroborated/contextualized by literally anyone else.
Someone in the comments asked why there's no video or picture, and this response seems odd considering that there were videos for the first round of this incident:
Source: https://twitter.com/RonyVernet/status/1695876150021455873
I also don't know why these villagers would contact this guy specifically.
He also links to this article from Southcom - which I *did not* find when I was looking at the USSOCOM training visit:
Must admit that reality is really teasing the paranoid among us with this one.
Interesting updates!
However, reviewing this person's profile and posts:
1. He is a UFO advocate
2. He was planning to visit, but "couldn't raise" the funds for the trip
Source: https://twitter.com/RonyVernet/status/1695903185355907353
Not saying he's lying, but I would love to have this corroborated/contextualized by literally anyone else.
Someone in the comments asked why there's no video or picture, and this response seems odd considering that there were videos for the first round of this incident:
Source: https://twitter.com/RonyVernet/status/1695876150021455873
I also don't know why these villagers would contact this guy specifically.
He also links to this article from Southcom - which I *did not* find when I was looking at the USSOCOM training visit:
Source: https://www.southcom.mil/MEDIA/NEWS...ollaboration-with-key-us-partners-during-exe/Peru Bolsters International Space Collaboration with Key U.S. Partners During Exercise
12th Air Force (Air Forces Southern)
OPERATION HARPY SUR, a space exercise nested under Exercise RESOLUTE SENTINEL 2023, has opened a new chapter in international space collaboration at the Centro Nacional de Operaciones de Imágenes Satelitales, or CNOIS, in southern Peru. The space exercise aims to bolster the region's emerging space programs.
The U. S. Southern Command-led exercise partnered up with U. S. Space Command’s Joint Task Force-Space Defense Commercial Operations Cell or JCO, the Peruvian Aerospace Research and Development Center, or CONIDA, and the Peruvian Air Force, making significant strides in multinational space operations through training on real-world space domain awareness capabilities and JCO mission system familiarization.
HARPY SUR’s Theater Space Operations Center commander, Peruvian Air Force Lt. Col. Javier Ildefonso, highlighted the need for collaborative efforts with partner nations and interests in space domain awareness.
Must admit that reality is really teasing the paranoid among us with this one.
Im sorry. Im just gonna watch for the sidelines from now on on this one. Im too tempted to do predator jokes lol
MonkeeSage
Senior Member
I feel the same. He promotes/reports lots of questionable stuff with hardly any critical analysis, and has fallen for (imo obvious) hoaxes because of it. Recent example:
Article: Update: all the tapes, military codes, video frames and additional information obtained from multiple individuals proved to be fake. Some of these criminals have sold these fake materials for thousand dollars and are under private and military investigation.
gabelewis
Member
I don't care I'm not a mod, just delete the extra stuff in the quote so we don't have to scroll past a post you're not actually responding to!
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