More Strange lights in the Sky! [Short Sunlit Contrails]

Jarmey 657

Member
Again, I call upon you guy's to have a look at these two photos that look remarkably similar. Both were taken approx the same time but 80 miles apart! One In South London and One in Swindon Wiltshire. Both were taken by Mobile phones so no high tech stuff i'm afraid. The South London observer said the 'lights' were stationary all the time they were being watched, the Swindon observer said they were stationary but then fell earthwards. Meteorites sprung to mind as I guess these could be seen 80 miles apart? Broken Contrails have also been mentioned, but the coincidence of two nearly identical patterns 80 miles apart does not sit right. Your thoughts and explanations will as always be greatly appreciated. IanLondon.jpg Swindon.jpg
 

Jarmey 657

Member
What time of day is this? They both show 3 lights but they're not quite identical.
approx 06:45 The pictures could have been taken a couple of minutes apart which may explain why they are not identical? Or it may be 2 totally different phenomena?
 

solrey

Senior Member.
It looks like the same pattern from two different perspectives. Could be just some random cloud remnants lit by the rising sun.

Edit: Were those pics taken yesterday, Sunday Oct. 27? There was that big St. Jude's Day storm that blew through this morning but the sky in those pics looks pretty calm and clear. Atmospheric conditions like isolated pockets of turbulence and/or moisture ahead of that storm could have produced little random clouds like that.
 
Last edited:

Oxymoron

Banned
Banned
Again, I call upon you guy's to have a look at these two photos that look remarkably similar. Both were taken approx the same time but 80 miles apart! One In South London and One in Swindon Wiltshire. Both were taken by Mobile phones so no high tech stuff i'm afraid. The South London observer said the 'lights' were stationary all the time they were being watched, the Swindon observer said they were stationary but then fell earthwards. Meteorites sprung to mind as I guess these could be seen 80 miles apart? Broken Contrails have also been mentioned, but the coincidence of two nearly identical patterns 80 miles apart does not sit right. Your thoughts and explanations will as always be greatly appreciated.
I am puzzled how you come by these pictures, are you a member of a 'skywatch' group spread throughout the Country? How does it work... do you post on a website or call each other up?
 

Jarmey 657

Member
It looks like the same pattern from two different perspectives. Could be just some random cloud remnants lit by the rising sun.

Edit: Were those pics taken yesterday, Sunday Oct. 27? There was that big St. Jude's Day storm that blew through this morning but the sky in those pics looks pretty calm and clear. Atmospheric conditions like isolated pockets of turbulence and/or moisture ahead of that storm could have produced little random clouds like that.
Taken Thursday Morning 24th October
 

Jarmey 657

Member
I am puzzled how you come by these pictures, are you a member of a 'skywatch' group spread throughout the Country? How does it work... do you post on a website or call each other up?
Nothing so dramatic i'm afraid! By shear coincidence, two friends posted these pictures up on Facebook, I posed a few questions and asked if I could let the experts have a look. I find this sort of thing fascinating and love to find a plausible answer. Chemtrails have got a big following here in the UK and I cannot understand it at all. I have taken numerous pics of obscure Contrails and disproved they are not Chemtrails by naming the airlines, flight paths, altitude etc by using simple apps like Planefinder HD, the die hards think I am employed by the government!!! In reality, I am just a normal guy, 55 years old who looks after his disabled wife 24/7...
 

Jarmey 657

Member
It looks like the same pattern from two different perspectives. Could be just some random cloud remnants lit by the rising sun.

Edit: Were those pics taken yesterday, Sunday Oct. 27? There was that big St. Jude's Day storm that blew through this morning but the sky in those pics looks pretty calm and clear. Atmospheric conditions like isolated pockets of turbulence and/or moisture ahead of that storm could have produced little random clouds like that.
The two pics were taken 80 mile apart? The same Contrails or clouds surely would not be visible 80 miles away? Or do you think by coincidence it was two separate sights?
 

Oxymoron

Banned
Banned
Nothing so dramatic i'm afraid! By shear coincidence, two friends posted these pictures up on Facebook, I posed a few questions and asked if I could let the experts have a look. I find this sort of thing fascinating and love to find a plausible answer. Chemtrails have got a big following here in the UK and I cannot understand it at all. I have taken numerous pics of obscure Contrails and disproved they are not Chemtrails by naming the airlines, flight paths, altitude etc by using simple apps like Planefinder HD, the die hards think I am employed by the government!!! In reality, I am just a normal guy, 55 years old who looks after his disabled wife 24/7...
That's pretty amazing in my book that 2 friends, (80 miles away), both take very similar pics at the same time and post them on facebook. Wouldn't they have to be extremely high in the sky to be the same objects visible that far apart and also massive.
 

Jarmey 657

Member
That's pretty amazing in my book that 2 friends, (80 miles away), both take very similar pics at the same time and post them on facebook. Wouldn't they have to be extremely high in the sky to be the same objects visible that far apart and also massive.
absolutely! hence the posting on here.
 

JRBids

Senior Member.
That's pretty amazing in my book that 2 friends, (80 miles away), both take very similar pics at the same time and post them on facebook. Wouldn't they have to be extremely high in the sky to be the same objects visible that far apart and also massive.
I don't think it's that incredible, I posted the same sunset a friend at least 100 miles away posted, and they both had pretty much the same contrail in them.
 

solrey

Senior Member.
The two pics were taken 80 mile apart? The same Contrails or clouds surely would not be visible 80 miles away? Or do you think by coincidence it was two separate sights?
The photographers may have been 80 miles apart, but if the contrails/clouds were roughly halfway between them then each photographer was only around 40 miles from the contrails/clouds.

Hah, and I see Bracknell is about 45 miles from Swindon and depending on exactly where in South London, Bracknell could be about halfway between the two photographers. So it looks as if neither photographer was more than 50 miles from the contrails/clouds.

After reading the account of Christine Phillips from Bracknell and how she described seeing three after photographing two earlier, I'm thinking they're probably contrail segments rather than clouds at this point.
 

Jarmey 657

Member
The photographers may have been 80 miles apart, but if the contrails/clouds were roughly halfway between them then each photographer was only around 40 miles from the contrails/clouds.

Hah, and I see Bracknell is about 45 miles from Swindon and depending on exactly where in South London, Bracknell could be about halfway between the two photographers. So it looks as if neither photographer was more than 50 miles from the contrails/clouds.

After reading the account of Christine Phillips from Bracknell and how she described seeing three after photographing two earlier, I'm thinking they're probably contrail segments rather than clouds at this point.
Wow, sounds promising! The only thing that still does not add up is the Swindon photographer said that the lights went from stationary to falling earthwards. Now maybe they did that too from the London location but was not viewed for long enough. Having studied contrails myself in quite a bit of depth, they don't suddenly drop to earth? Broken contrails are quite regular occurrences over Lyneham where I live as we are on a major flight path from London Heathrow to Bristol, Ireland and the US. I have not witnessed any quite like this?
 

Trigger Hippie

Senior Member.
Having studied contrails myself in quite a bit of depth, they don't suddenly drop to earth?
How quickly did the lights "drop"?

Could perspective account for the perceived drop? As planes move away from you and towards the horizon, they appear to drop. Even though they are really maintaining a constant altitude.
 

Jarmey 657

Member
How quickly did the lights "drop"?

Could perspective account for the perceived drop? As planes move away from you and towards the horizon, they appear to drop. Even though they are really maintaining a constant altitude.
Pretty quick I understand, quicker than planes moving into the distance and dropping out of view. Are you thinking three planes now rather than broken contrails? This would tie in with the Bracknell account were she said they were moving?
 

Jarmey 657

Member
Pretty quick I understand, quicker than planes moving into the distance and dropping out of view. Are you thinking three planes now rather than broken contrails? This would tie in with the Bracknell account were she said they were moving?
Quote Christine from Bracknell -
Ms Phillips said five to 10 minutes later she was in the kitchen and saw "another three flame like shapes coming down" when she looked out of the window.
She went on: "One seemed to changed direction."
 

Mick West

Administrator
Staff member
appreciate where you coming from, but contrails just don't fall or appear to fall at any speed. It's a very slow movement as I am sure Mick would agree.
There's often a significant disconnect between what what we get from a description, and what actually happens. Ships are said to drop below the horizon, and yet they don't "drop" in any real sense. If they were planes then they could appear to be more or less stationary, then kind of sink.
 
Last edited:

Trigger Hippie

Senior Member.
appreciate where you coming from, but contrails just don't fall or appear to fall at any speed. It's a very slow movement as I am sure Mick would agree.
Let me clarify. I'm thinking it could be planes leaving short lived contrails that dissipate almost as soon as they are created (like in the picture below). In that case, those short contrails would appear to sink/fall/drop as the aircraft move away from an observer.

contrail.jpg

I wasn't suggesting they're contrail remnants from some long gone plane, which hang around the sky for a while and then start to fall and change direction.
 
Last edited:

Pete Tar

Senior Member.
Also staring at lights in the sky with less reference marks, any motion could be illusory, like a brief vertigo or similar.
Unless they actually disappeared down out of sight.
 

cloudspotter

Senior Member.
There's often a significant disconnect between what what we get from a description, and what the actually happens. Ships are said to drop below the horizon, and yet they don't "drop" in any real sense. If they were planes then they could appear to be more or less stationary, then kind of sink.
We went camping a few weeks ago (last one before the winter) and sat by the campfire admiring the stars we noticed a light in the distance low to the horizon. It looked like a plane but seemed to be stationary for a while then dropped from view below the horizon. A short while later another did the same and then another. I soon realised that we were facing towards the coast about 30 miles away to the east and that I regularly see planes crossing the coast on their approach to Newcastle International airport, a quick check on a map when we got home and I found that the eastern end of the runway was about 20 miles nearly due east from our location and the runway runs east-west. :)
 

Jay Reynolds

Senior Member.
Due to perspective, an object which moves directly away from you in the sky will appear to be headed towards the horizon, or to fall. Similarly, an object high in the sky which is headed directly towards you will appear to be "going straight up", like the mystery missile launch flap Mick debunked before. Just last night, my wife and I watched a light fall slowly towards the horizon. I explained the light was from a jet headed away from us.

The description sounds like the contrail segments were drifting away from the observer's position.
 

Mick West

Administrator
Staff member
I found a similar phenomenon on Youtube. It looks like short contrails to me, especially @1:07 when one makes a turn.
Similar to this video that I made (sped up 20x)

I agree with Trigger Hippie, in that they are not contrail remnants, but actual short contrails, attached to planes.
 

Jarmey 657

Member
I bow to your experience guy's, thanks again for your input! Something still niggles in my mind which says not contrails, but, I have no better explanation and you guy's have seen much more of this than I have!
 

Jarmey 657

Member
IMG_20131030_155121.jpg IMG_20131030_154634.jpg IMG_20131030_154523.jpg IMG_20131030_154414.jpg IMG_20131030_153448.jpg
I bow to your experience guy's, thanks again for your input! Something still niggles in my mind which says not contrails, but, I have no better explanation and you guy's have seen much more of this than I have!
Had a bit of time on my hands today so I thought I would track and photograph a random plane on a flight path over my home. Using just a good quality mobile phone to take the pics, just like the original pics submitted. The atmospherics were perfect today for Contrails, so trusty iPad and Plane finder HD to hand I picked my plane to track. I picked a plane which would maintain a height of around 32000 feet so I would have a good view from a decent distance on it's approach to and departure from my home at Lyneham. The plane I tracked was flight FX4, Federal Express flight FedEx 4 from Memphis US to Cologne France. The flight first became visible over Westbury on Trym (Approx 30 miles away) and as you can see the plane is hardly visible on the mobile phone pic. I then took a pic when it was directly overhead and again as It was just disappearing out of sight above Newbury (Approx 36 miles away. My conclusion referring to the original pictures on this thread is that IF these were broken contrails, then they must be very close to get such a close image on a mobile phone. And If they were close, then they could not have been seen that clear 45 -80 miles away? Also the angle of the photo on the originals with the house roofs in view would also imply that the contrails were very close. My thoughts are that whatever it was, which was viewed in London, Bracknell and Swindon approx the same time, must have been larger than a plane/plane contrails. Unless of course by pure coincidence there was a set of 3 broken contrails almost directly overhead in 3 different places 80 and 48 miles apart at the same time. Does my rational on this make sense?
 

Trigger Hippie

Senior Member.
I then took a pic when it was directly overhead and again as It was just disappearing out of sight above Newbury
There are some significant differences between your pictures and those taken on the morning of Oct. 24.

The early morning pictures had the planes illuminated from below. I would think that would help make distant objects more visible; Objects that would typically blend into the background during the daytime. You're also assuming the weather conditions (smog, haze) were the same.
 

Mick West

Administrator
Staff member
View attachment 4646 View attachment 4645 View attachment 4644 View attachment 4642 View attachment 4640
Had a bit of time on my hands today so I thought I would track and photograph a random plane on a flight path over my home. Using just a good quality mobile phone to take the pics, just like the original pics submitted. The atmospherics were perfect today for Contrails, so trusty iPad and Plane finder HD to hand I picked my plane to track. I picked a plane which would maintain a height of around 32000 feet so I would have a good view from a decent distance on it's approach to and departure from my home at Lyneham. The plane I tracked was flight FX4, Federal Express flight FedEx 4 from Memphis US to Cologne France. The flight first became visible over Westbury on Trym (Approx 30 miles away) and as you can see the plane is hardly visible on the mobile phone pic. I then took a pic when it was directly overhead and again as It was just disappearing out of sight above Newbury (Approx 36 miles away. My conclusion referring to the original pictures on this thread is that IF these were broken contrails, then they must be very close to get such a close image on a mobile phone. And If they were close, then they could not have been seen that clear 45 -80 miles away? Also the angle of the photo on the originals with the house roofs in view would also imply that the contrails were very close. My thoughts are that whatever it was, which was viewed in London, Bracknell and Swindon approx the same time, must have been larger than a plane/plane contrails. Unless of course by pure coincidence there was a set of 3 broken contrails almost directly overhead in 3 different places 80 and 48 miles apart at the same time. Does my rational on this make sense?
We'd have to see the original photos. The photos you posted in the OP look like crops of a small area of a larger photo. Also digital zoom may have been used.

Going by the angle of the roof only makes sense if you know exactly where the photo was taken from.
 

Jarmey 657

Member
We'd have to see the original photos. The photos you posted in the OP look like crops of a small area of a larger photo. Also digital zoom may have been used.

Going by the angle of the roof only makes sense if you know exactly where the photo was taken from.
All pictures taken have a roof in view. Even if a digital zoom had been used the roof to object ratio would change. This has not happened. In fact, my house roof is a lot closer and the object is further away. If a digital zoom had been used on the original pics then they would look even closer.
 

Mick West

Administrator
Staff member
All pictures taken have a roof in view. Even if a digital zoom had been used the roof to object ratio would change. This has not happened. In fact, my house roof is a lot closer and the object is further away. If a digital zoom had been used on the original pics then they would look even closer.
What is the "roof to object ratio"?

Zoom (digital or otherwise) does not change the relative size of objects in a photo. It's just cropping and enlarging.
 

Jarmey 657

Member
There are some significant differences between your pictures and those taken on the morning of Oct. 24.

The early morning pictures had the planes illuminated from below. I would think that would help make distant objects more visible; Objects that would typically blend into the background during the daytime. You're also assuming the weather conditions (smog, haze) were the same.
I don't think if all the criteria you have mentioned were replicated today it would make my images look closer. Far to much difference in the size.
 

Jarmey 657

Member
What is the "roof to object ratio"?

Zoom (digital or otherwise) does not change the relative size of objects in a photo. It's just cropping and enlarging.
Exactly! If you crop and enlarge then not only would the object appear larger, then so would the roof of the house. My pics show the roof closer and the objects are further away. I would have to decrease the view of my roof slightly to replicate the original pics, and by doing that, the object would be further away.
 

JRBids

Senior Member.
I found a similar phenomenon on Youtube. It looks like short contrails to me, especially @1:07 when one makes a turn.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/globalskywatch/permalink/10153392661625302/

This is the link that led me to this video. A bit off topic, but I'd like to point out the fear in the replies to this post. It is rather sad to see the fear and paranoia that a misunderstood phenomenon like this will provoke.
Here's a comment "notice the face top right mouth wide open.... ufo entry??"

They see faces in the clouds. Oh my.
 

Jarmey 657

Member
I have just spoken to the London Lady who took the photo on her mobile and the photo posted is the original. No Zoom, no cropping or any alteration at all. Uploaded straight from her phone to facebook....
 
Thread starter Related Articles Forum Replies Date
H Need Debunking: Hernando County platforms from more than 10 miles Flat Earth 9
Mick West KML Tool For Visualizing Google Earth Cameras, and More Tools for Investigating and Debunking 5
Rory Debunked: The Lunar Cycle affects birth rates Health and Quackery 26
Mick West Explained: A Dozen Or More Southern Valley UFOs UFOs, Aliens, Monsters, and the Paranormal 0
John85 How could the interior collapse in WTC7 Move West Without More Visible Exterior Damage 9/11 63
HoaxEye "The more I learn about people, the more I like my dog" Mark Twain Quotes Debunked 4
Clouds Givemethewillies Why do inner contrails spread more than outer contrails? Contrails and Chemtrails 9
Marin B Garrett Graff : "Bungling" is a more likely explanation for government conspiracy theories Conspiracy Theories 7
Mick West Debunked: 1 Hour on this Bike Can Power Your Home For 24 hours [More like 5 minutes] Science and Pseudoscience 18
Leifer 2 more [some holistic] MD’s found dead, total 8 Health and Quackery 19
Efftup more ISS UFO footage Skydentify - What is that Thing in the Sky? 13
O More on debunking "no persistent contrails" Contrails and Chemtrails 12
Critical Thinker More scare-mongering, now about GMOs in beer, from Organics.org Health and Quackery 10
Balance Look-Up "No more lies" campaign Contrails and Chemtrails 79
MikeC World's biggest jet engine about to get bigger, quieter .......and make more contrails Contrails and Chemtrails 6
Rusty Far Eye More information videos here. Contrails and Chemtrails 8
Libertarian Needs Debunking: More Guns = More Crime General Discussion 156
Dylmar Are there more persistent contrails these days? Contrails and Chemtrails 49
Mick West Debunked: High Bypass Turbofans do not make Contrails [actually they make more] Contrails and Chemtrails 150
Chew Debunked: "Fukushima released up to 100,000 times more cesium-137 than Chernobyl or nuclear weapons" Conspiracy Theories 1
jvnk08 "More proof" video - guy dumping powder from bag Boston Marathon Bombings 5
Mick West Boston: Three more detained Boston Marathon Bombings 8
MikeC More analysis of "rainwater" - New Zealand Contrails and Chemtrails 89
Leifer Vaccinated children have up to 500% more disease than unvaccinated Health and Quackery 11
Mick West Debunking: "Is healthy food really more expensive?" Health and Quackery 2
Z seen this one? more chemtrail silliness Contrails and Chemtrails 5
scombrid Debunked: Plumes erupt from New Madrid Seismic Zone =2.9M quake follows. more coming? HAARP 159
MikeC HAARP causing more earthquakes? Conspiracy Theories 18
SR1419 Does more dust equal more contrails? Contrails and Chemtrails 9
J Strange lights on picture of the moon during "Blood Moon" [Stuck Pixels] Skydentify - What is that Thing in the Sky? 10
T 2 EMF studies showing strange effects on rats (Not Ramizinni) 5G and Other EMF Health Concerns 0
ParanormalInSeattle Strange Light Caught On Camera Skydentify - What is that Thing in the Sky? 12
8 Strange Row of Lights Under a Plane? Skydentify - What is that Thing in the Sky? 38
Mick West Strange Lights in Phone Photos - Flash Reflection from Window UFOs, Aliens, Monsters, and the Paranormal 0
Justin Shaw New strange drone footage - small white objects moving fast UFOs, Aliens, Monsters, and the Paranormal 30
C Explanation Strange contrail like structures over English Bay, Vancouver 8:30 PM Aug 5 Skydentify - What is that Thing in the Sky? 3
Whitebeard 'Strange' Flight Path on FR24 Skydentify - What is that Thing in the Sky? 10
jim oberg Strange cloud UFO over Russia November 2011 Skydentify - What is that Thing in the Sky? 0
Clouds Givemethewillies Strange looking plane Skydentify - What is that Thing in the Sky? 8
M Bornong "Something Strange" - Hurriyah car bombing video seems staged General Discussion 50
ki_cz Strange straight line in the sky [Anticrepuscular ray] Skydentify - What is that Thing in the Sky? 32
Darren Strange pattern in cloud ... Surrey UK Skydentify - What is that Thing in the Sky? 13
C Strange Flickering in Contrail Video Posted in Earlier Thread [Focussing artifacts] Contrails and Chemtrails 7
derwoodii Debunked: Strange lights above Canberra: (Photoshop mistake) Skydentify - What is that Thing in the Sky? 0
Homeboundanywhere Strange Light at Cathedral in Edinburgh General Discussion 2
Mick West Explained: Strange Clouds over Costa Rica [Cumulonimbus Pileus & Iridescence] General Discussion 14
Mick West Why People are 'Suddenly' Seeing Strange Beams of Light Around the World - The Reddit Effect General Discussion 23
Trailspotter Strange cloud formation in South Indian Ocean Skydentify - What is that Thing in the Sky? 13
Efftup Disappearing Falcons near Bournemouth, UK [Limited MLAT Coverage] Skydentify - What is that Thing in the Sky? 37
Leifer Trippy pic.....digital artifact ? [Rolling Shutter] Skydentify - What is that Thing in the Sky? 4
Related Articles


















































Related Articles

Top