hamishsubedei
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Patented in 2009 and used where and by whom since the company developed it?
You're joking right?A secondary explosion could have destroyed evidence of the holder device.
Explosives to destroy the holders, AFTER they had gone off and demolished the building? I don't think you've thought through that scenario.A secondary explosion could have destroyed evidence of the holder device.
Besides, the steel would have shown signs of the thermite cut and thermite itself.
Im just speculating but perhaps it was thermite that cut/weakened the steel , when the building started to collapse the nanothermite went off sequentially after that destroying all the concrete in the building etc.
http://www.nc911truth.org/foto/wtc7.html
https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/JonesNotThermite.jpg
http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=abolhassan_astaneh_asl_1
http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/a/PhillipsCritique/physpics/5100.jpg
while in some of these photos its unknown if they were a result of cutting before or after the collapse It doesn't not show the evidence of a thermite cut.
WTC 7 Fema steel was picked out by FEMA and showed thermate .
Most of the wtc steel was removed so how can we know what proportion of it had evidence of thermite cutting or not .
What else but thermite could explain the molten metal flowing from the south tower
http://www2.ae911truth.org//ppt_web/2hour/slideshow.php?i=100&lores=1
Yes that would account for the pools of molten steel observed in 911.
One hundred fifty pieces out of hundreds of thousands of pieces of steel were saved but by who ?
Sure there is footage of them cutting the columns after the collapse but there is footage of steel cut like that before the steel removers came in .
Why would ceramic vessels on steel columns suffering severe impacts survive the collapse? Or do you mean the studs? Is there no other mechanism or substance you can think of that might be capable of affixing something firmly in place in resistance of a fair deal of pressure?This particular example is clearly one that could not have been used, and actually provides more evidence for the lack of use of thermite.
This is because the ceramic lined structure holding the thermite against the column needs to be bolted to the that column (as the force of the thermite reaction will push the structure away. This means that the structure remains affixed to the end of the column. Since no such structures were observed in the rubble, then that would seem to indicated that no such structures were used.
Besides, you still haven't shown us any example of the LTC being used on a steel frame high rise. Can you please provide this evidence? Otherwise you're just engaging in idle speculation, which is not evidence of anything.
Your crass criticism suggests you've found a previous example of a steel frame high rise being 'demolished' outright by fire, as you're implying precedent is a requirement for a scenario to be worth considering. Care to share it? Otherwise, by your measure, both thermite demolition and the official account are of equal worth, given neither scenario has precedent.You really don't know what you're talking about, so I'm not going to humour you any further. No pools of molten steel have ever been empirically proven to have existed, so if you insist on dragging that meme into the discussion you're not serious about anything.
We're discussing real-world uses of thermite in demolition. You are still evading your responsibility to provide an example of a steel frame high rise demolished using any kind of thermite.
Please stop dodging this problem, that's what the thread's about.
Why would ceramic vessels on steel columns suffering severe impacts survive the collapse? Or do you mean the studs? Is there no other mechanism or substance you can think of that might be capable of affixing something firmly in place in resistance of a fair deal of pressure?
Your crass criticism suggests you've found a previous example of a steel frame high rise being 'demolished' outright by fire, given you're implying precedent is a requirement for a scenario to be worth considering. Care to share it? Otherwise, by your measure, both thermite demolition and the official account are of equal worth.
What's good for the goose, Mick. I'm not changing the topic, I'm pointing out the flaw in Alien's 'no precedent = not worth considering as a possibility' argument as it applies to this topic.
The topic of the thread is modern applications of thermite in demolition and the possibility of their application to demolish the buildings of the WTC. Hamishi's contribution was sensible and very much on-point: he provided information on and examples of devices applicable in and intended for demolitions. The response I'm seeing from Alien is 'Well, show me a building just like those at the WTC which has been leveled using this technology, in other words give me a precedent, or clearly the thermite theory doesn't have a leg to stand on.' That's nonsensical, given the official account describes events with absolutely no precedent either.But the lack of precedent is exactly what is being considered here. It's exactly what is being considered as a possibility. We are looking at modern usages (either actual or proposed) of thermite for demolition, as seeing if there's anything that would match the events and other evidence we saw on and after 9/11.
1.1/2 - 3 lbs of standard (top down made) thermitic material would be enough to cut through a typical beam such as there were in the towers. Jon Cole makes this point here in this video@ around 9 minutes. You must take into consideration that a 'bottom up' made nanothermitic material would be far more efficient. Lawrence Livermore Labs have been developing these highly energetic materials for quite some time, and the density/power ratio of these is hugely improved by the sol gel type 'bottom up' manufacturing process, resulting in a material that will go to 3500c very quickly. This would mean that the remaining container would be considerably less noticeable, than that shown in Jon's video.Regardless of how much of the vessel survived, there location where they were affixed would give the game away.
Most likely tharmAte, given the observed and documented sulphidation of steel elements, suggesting that this would be used to lower the melting point of the elements dramatically. It is inevitable that comparisons will be drawn between the supposed fire cause and the alternatives such as thermitic sol gel type thermitics that are being discussed and have long been in the sights of US government funded laboratories. The US govt has been researching these since way before 911The topic is demolition with thermite charges. Not collapse due to fire.
1.1/2 - 3 lbs of standard (top down made) thermitic material would be enough to cut through a typical beam such as there were in the towers. Jon Cole makes this point here in this video@ around 9 minutes.
Not at all. You've perhaps missed the irony of turning their own objections on them. They are constantly harping on that 'No steel building in history has been destroyed by fire' as a 'proof' that it couldn't happen.The topic of the thread is modern applications of thermite in demolition and the possibility of their application to demolish the buildings of the WTC. Hamishi's contribution was sensible and very much on-point: he provided information on and examples of devices applicable in and intended for demolitions. The response I'm seeing from Alien is 'Well, show me a building just like those at the WTC which has been leveled using this technology, in other words give me a precedent, or clearly the thermite theory doesn't have a leg to stand on.' That's nonsensical, given the official account describes events with absolutely no precedent either.
A google patent search for thermite+demolition (or thermate+demolition) does not return much, with the Battelle patent from the OP being the most relevant. There is also this one for demolishing concrete, but it does not look relevant to the WTC situation. I include it because an incredibly cursory look at it might make some of the more enthusiastic theorists say "look, demolition of concrete with thermite, just like in the WTC".
https://www.google.com/patents/US5532449
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Obviously the complicated control apparatus makes it useless for large scale evidence-less demolition.
You got this one from a post of mine that you chose to delete from another thread Mick.
Do you?I actually got it from the mentioned google search.
But do you think something like this was used to destroy some concrete? Is there evidence of its use?
hamishsubedei was arguing that the LTC could be destroyed with a conventional charge so's not to leave evidence... don't forget to include that.
Do you?
I see no evidence of such a thing being used.